Projected Starting Lineup/Rotations?

jcwkings

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We're going to have some very interesting battles in training camp for starting roles, some players that are used to being starters will have to accept 6th man/ bench roles mainly in our gaurd spots. We signed Brooks who has done more in the NBA than Isaiah, but Isaiah has shown that he's a born leader and could make the starting role his. Then we have Tyreke who's camp has said (and I agree) that he want to play at SG for the season, leaving Thornton on the bench? Will he accept that role? Especially since this team has been bad for years, and he seems to be a main contributor when this team has won games over the past 2 seasons. This is where Coach Smart will really have to earn his paycheck, managing young ego's on a bad team
 
I think Reke will end up starting over Thornton, only because Tyreke is more valuable to the Kings office than Thornton is. I would rather see Tyreke come off the bench though. We did great those couple of games when Tyreke was playing sixth man.

As far as I.T. and Brooks goes, I.T. will start for most of the year.
 
I think Smart's starting lineup on opening day (assuming everyone is healthy) will be:

Cousins
Thompson
Salmons
Evans
Thomas

I don't personally want to see Salmons starting (on paper James Johnson is a better fit) but I think Smart will begin the season with him there. Thornton makes for a better sixth man and Thomas proved he could run the team last year and will get the nod over Brooks.
 
Personally hoping Thornton agrees to come in off the bench. That makes the rotation much easier to figure out.

Thomas / Brooks
Evans / Jimmer
Johnson / Salmons
Thompson / Robinson
Cousins / Hayes

Ideally, Robinson takes JT's spot in the rotation at some point, which would even out our size much better. JT / Hayes makes much more sense off the bench then Trob / Hayes.
 
I think it's a foregone conclusion that MT23 starts the season as the sixth man. I agree about Robinson earning a starting spot being a very good thing.

But either way, there's going to be very little frontcourt/post offense from that second unit. Brooks/Thornton/whoever subs at the three are going to make up the vast majority of the bench scoring. Not entirely bad thing since Brooks and Thornton can both fill it up, but when Boogie is out we are going to see a lot of jumpers.
 
OK, I'll take my shot at this. I'd rather wait till I've seen a few pre-season games. But this is the starting lineup I hope for.

Cousins/Hayes
Thompson/Robinson
Johnson/Outlaw
Evans/Thornton
Thomas/Brooks

I suspect that if Robinson develops quickly enough, Hayes minutes will be reduced. I prefer Outlaw as the backup at SF simply for the size he brings. I'm sick and tired of 6'6" SF's. I'd rather see Salmons traded, or used as a back up at SF and SG when needed. I'd throw Jimmer out there when possible just to get more experience, or in the case of injury at the PG position. In the event Jimmer starts to light it up on the offensive side this season, then Thornton becomes expendable down the road. Especially if he's not on board with coming off the bench. I'd start giving Cisco experience at coaching.

If I see John Salmons as the starting SF when the season begins, I'm going to throw up... Been there and done that, it doesn't work. However, I do think he'd be a perfect backup at SG if Thronton wasn't there.
 
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If I see John Salmons as the starting SF when the season begins, I'm going to throw up... Been there and done that, it doesn't work. However, I do think he'd be a perfect backup at SG if Thronton wasn't there.

I will be . . . less than pleased to see the Fish starting, but I'm guessing that's exactly what Smart will do and we'll hear, "John has looked great in practice" "John's a great player that had a down year" etc

I VERY much hope I'm wrong. Personally I would have loved to see Salmons amnestied and Terrence Williams resigned. He adds so much more versatility to the team and he looked like he meshed well with IT, Thornton, Tyreke and especially Jimmer. There absolutely has to be some behind the scenes stuff going on to explain why he wasn't brought back for a bargain price.
 
Salmon's fits much better with the second unit given that Tyreke and IT are starters. It adds a second ball handler along with brooks and if jimmer gets minutes. Something tells me salmon's will have a solid season. Hopefully good enough that he and Johnson can produce something positive at the sf position for this franchise since Ron artest
 
Cousins
Thompson
Johnson
Evans
Thomas*

with the PG the only real spot I think could be flipped, especially if IT doesn't shoot as well as he did last year from long range.
 
I think the eight guys who will be consistently in the rotation will be:

Brooks/Thomas
Evans/Thornton
Johnson
Thompson/Robinson
Cousins

Cousins is the no-brainer. I imagine Brooks will start over Thomas due to experience but that could go either way. Evans better be starting over Thornton, but I imagine that (to our dismay) he will be playing some SF this year as well beside MT23. Thompson will begin the season as a starter, and may finish there, but Robinson could make a push to supplant him. Wait and see on that one. Johnson is the biggest question mark here - I don't think we really know what we have. As of now I imagine he pencils in as the starter, but who knows?

Of the other guys, Hayes probably has the most consistent role, but I don't know if he averages over 15 minutes. Outlaw and Salmons will, for now, be fighting over the backup slot to Johnson, but with Evans probably taking some of that, even the winner may not get huge minutes. In their favor, Salmons slots well at the 2 and Outlaw can slide to the 4 if the other team is going small, so they might get a bit more time for versatility. Jimmer probably gets squeezed out pretty badly with two PGs in front of him. He may get some time, but I don't think it will be consistent unless there is an injury/day off for one of our PGs. Garcia and Honeycutt probably only get spot minutes.
 
I will be . . . less than pleased to see the Fish starting, but I'm guessing that's exactly what Smart will do and we'll hear, "John has looked great in practice" "John's a great player that had a down year" etc

I VERY much hope I'm wrong. Personally I would have loved to see Salmons amnestied and Terrence Williams resigned. He adds so much more versatility to the team and he looked like he meshed well with IT, Thornton, Tyreke and especially Jimmer. There absolutely has to be some behind the scenes stuff going on to explain why he wasn't brought back for a bargain price.

I agree 100%. I think if that last year of Salmons contract wouldn't have been guaranteed thru amnesty, they might have done it. But I think that made the price too high. I'd much rather have Williams instead of Salmons. I think that because they couldn't amnesty Salmons, and it really didn't make sense to amnesty Cisco, they then had too many players in that 6'5"/6'6" range, and they just didn't want to add another one.
 
This is what I think will happen with the starting line up and reserves. After listening to I. Thomas the other day on with Grant, about how great Tyreke looks with his shot and conditioning I would go with this:

Brooks - PG Back up is IT
Evans - SG Back up is Thorton
Johnson - SF Back up is Salmons (unless John stinks again, then go with Outlaw)
Cousins - C Back up Thompson
Thompson PF Back up Robinson
 
I really hope this doesn't happen, but I can honestly say I won't be surprised if Smart goes with

Brooks
Thornton
Evans
Thompson
Cousins
 
It's not the starting lineup I'm worried about. It's the middle to end of each half. I agree with most peoples takes here.

IT
Reke
Johnson
JT
D12's Nemesis

It's when Smart starts subbing out the starters, say around the 2-3 min mark of the 1st/3rd, until whenever the hell he decides to put them back in, which most good coaches do by the 5-6 min mark of the 2nd/4th, but with Smart he's sat them through the half, even when red hot and lighting the other team up, only to go completely cold and lose their rhythm, understandably.

I'm worried about:
-Brooks/MT on the floor together defensively
-any two of Brooks/MT/IT together defensively
-Brooks or IT, along with both MT and Reke
-Any mins Reke plays at SF which is flat out stupid
-Honeycutt not impressing and having to go small at backup SF because we have no depth there, and having to play a SG in Cisco/Salmons there instead
-What happens when Cuz or JT go out? Does Smart do all he can to keep one on the floor, or are we going to see large stretches of TRob/Hayes small ball?
-Worried about any time I see either TRob or Hayes being the tallest on the floor
-Ever seeing Outlaw at PF and TRob/Hayes at center. That's smallball folks. If Honeycutt doesn't step up, please have Outlaw backup Johnson at SF

So really, the starting lineup isn't as big a deal to me in relation to game and lineup management. Damnit I wish this team was put together in a more intelligent fashion. But, it won't be an excuse for Smart or Petrie. When you have a 58M roster and intentionally don't go after size, you must have a plan. I don't agree with the plan but we'll see pretty soon whether it's going to work or not.
 
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It's not the starting lineup I'm worried about. It's the middle to end of each half. I agree with most peoples takes here.

IT
Reke
Johnson
JT
D12's Nemesis

It's when Smart starts subbing out the starters, say around the 2-3 min mark of the 1st/3rd, until whenever the hell he decides to put them back in, which most good coaches do by the 5-6 min mark of the 2nd/4th, but with Smart he's sat them through the half, even when red hot and lighting the other team up, only to go completely cold and lose their rhythm, understandably.

I'm worried about:
-Brooks/MT on the floor together defensively
-any two of Brooks/MT/IT together defensively
-Brooks or IT, along with both MT and Reke
-Any mins Reke plays at SF which is flat out stupid
-Honeycutt not impressing and having to go small at backup SF because we have no depth there, and having to play a SG in Cisco/Salmons there instead
-What happens when Cuz or JT go out? Does Smart do all he can to keep one on the floor, or are we going to see large stretches of TRob/Hayes small ball?
-Worried about any time I see either TRob or Hayes being the tallest on the floor
-Ever seeing Outlaw at PF and TRob/Hayes at center. That's smallball folks. If Honeycutt doesn't step up, please have Outlaw backup Johnson at SF

So really, the starting lineup isn't as big a deal to me in relation to game and lineup management. Damnit I wish this team was put together in a more intelligent fashion. But, it won't be an excuse for Smart or Petrie. When you have a 58M roster and intentionally don't go after size, you must have a plan. I don't agree with the plan but we'll see pretty soon whether it's going to work or not.


Why are you worried? Isaiah Thomas was the BEST and MOST CONSISTENT DEFENDER on our team last year. And, and ... the league has changed! You can play both IT and Brooks at the same time!! /sarcasm
 
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I am extremely excited for this season. I have a great feeling and I really think this is the season that we begin to turn it around. As for my lineup, this is what I came up with.

Thomas (26 min)/Brooks (15 min)/Fredette
Evans (35 min)/Thornton (28 min)/Garcia
Johnson (20 min)/Outlaw (15 min)/Salmons (7 min)/Honeycutt
Thompson (28 min)/Robinson (25 min)
Cousins (35 min)/Hayes (10 min)

I think the addition of Brooks really log jammed us at the guard position which means we are now log jammed at PG, SG, and SF while we only have 4 legitimate bigs (and I am using legitimate loosely considering Hayes' height). With that being said, I don't see no reason why Brooks should be our starting PG over Thomas. Thomas is superior in almost every category across the board including intangibles. I would love to see Thomas get 26-30 min a game this season while Brooks remains in the 15-18 min range like his last season in Phoenix. Evans would get around 35 min while Thornton would get around 28-30 min. This minute rotation still leaves us about 6 minutes that cannot be used at the guard positions which means Evans would have to play 6 min at SF per game unfortunately. But with the log jam we have right now at PG and SG, I think this is the best we can hope for. Like Bajaden, I am tired of undersized SFs and I am praying for a rotation of Johnson and Outlaw. Both are physical specimens who can handle stronger SFs and help on the glass. Then we can have guys like Evans and Salmons play SF if the opposing team is going small. The big man rotation is nothing special. The only thing that worries me is our lack of depth there. We need a 5th big and I don't want it to be Johnson or Outlaw. We aren't looking to hot if one of our bigs goes down with an injury or we get into foul trouble.
 
I am extremely excited for this season. I have a great feeling and I really think this is the season that we begin to turn it around. As for my lineup, this is what I came up with.

Thomas (26 min)/Brooks (15 min)/Fredette
Evans (35 min)/Thornton (28 min)/Garcia
Johnson (20 min)/Outlaw (15 min)/Salmons (7 min)/Honeycutt
Thompson (28 min)/Robinson (25 min)
Cousins (35 min)/Hayes (10 min)

I think the addition of Brooks really log jammed us at the guard position which means we are now log jammed at PG, SG, and SF while we only have 4 legitimate bigs (and I am using legitimate loosely considering Hayes' height). With that being said, I don't see no reason why Brooks should be our starting PG over Thomas. Thomas is superior in almost every category across the board including intangibles. I would love to see Thomas get 26-30 min a game this season while Brooks remains in the 15-18 min range like his last season in Phoenix. Evans would get around 35 min while Thornton would get around 28-30 min. This minute rotation still leaves us about 6 minutes that cannot be used at the guard positions which means Evans would have to play 6 min at SF per game unfortunately. But with the log jam we have right now at PG and SG, I think this is the best we can hope for. Like Bajaden, I am tired of undersized SFs and I am praying for a rotation of Johnson and Outlaw. Both are physical specimens who can handle stronger SFs and help on the glass. Then we can have guys like Evans and Salmons play SF if the opposing team is going small. The big man rotation is nothing special. The only thing that worries me is our lack of depth there. We need a 5th big and I don't want it to be Johnson or Outlaw. We aren't looking to hot if one of our bigs goes down with an injury or we get into foul trouble.

I think there's a high probability that Darnell Jackson will be added to the team. Barring some sort of trade prior to the start of the season.
 
Cousins is the no-brainer. I imagine Brooks will start over Thomas due to experience but that could go either way. Evans better be starting over Thornton, but I imagine that (to our dismay) he will be playing some SF this year as well beside MT23. Thompson will begin the season as a starter, and may finish there, but Robinson could make a push to supplant him. Wait and see on that one. Johnson is the biggest question mark here - I don't think we really know what we have. As of now I imagine he pencils in as the starter, but who knows?

You don't have to start your best players. It's more about fit and meshing than whos a better player. Brooks is more of a penetrator than IT. He will work better with MT off the bench than Evans in the starting line up. The same goes for IT working better with Evans than MT.
 
The starting lineup isn't a big deal to me, but what I predict will happen, and will be bad for the team, is that Smart is going to run a 11-12 man rotation ala Hubie Brown in Memphis and it will be devastating to this team long term.

The seeds are already sown, Smart, just like when he came in last year, is going to be all about pushing the ball and running at a high pace. The Colorado Springs training camp is all about conditioning, I doubt they will even bring balls out there, Smart just wants the guys to be able to run the opponents off the court, and he is going to be doing substitutions like a hockey coach.

Will the big rotations and high paced play win us more games than last year? Yes, probably, especially at home, where the youth and high energy will be enough to overwhelm some of the older teams on the road. The problem though is that this team has too many players trying to prove something and at the first sign of the system not working will just revert to jacking up shots. Tyreke is looking for a new contract, is he okay with sharing half the SG minutes and shots with Thornton? Demarcus wants to be an all star, he's goign to make sure he gets his shots up, especially if there are three other guys he has to share the 96 front court minutes with (and that doesn't take into consideration Smart going small, which will eat into those minutes) How much impact can Hayes have defensively in 15 minutes a night? Thomas Robinson was the 5th pick in the draft, he wants to come in and show what he can do, but with his 20 minutes a night he'll never be comfortable and will see the rest of the team chucking away and want to join in. Isaiah Thomas looked like a nice solid point for the most part last year, but now with Brooks breathing down his throat he's going to be pressing and trying to do too much. Brooks, on the other hand, after being out of the NBA last year, is going to want t come in a prove something, but unfortunately the only thing that really makes him valuable is his scoring, so he will also be chucking away every time he touches the ball. Thornton will most likely have lost his starting job and will be trying to prove he is better than Tyreke, which will mean he needs his shots. Jason Thompson has always been at his best when he knows he has plenty of minutes and can let the game come to him, but with this many guys, his minutes should be going down and he will revert back to pressing to try and keep his job. James Johnson is best suited as a fill in defense and hustle play type of guy, but he will be trying to show that he deserves to be in the NBA, and especially with Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw and Honeycutt all wantign his minutes, he won't be able to play the type of game he needs to to help the team. Smart desn't have the credibility to completely shut down Salmons, which he should, but Salmons as well as Outlaw will be crammed into the game for a couple 5 minute stretches every night, not enough to be productive, but they will be willing and able to get a couple shots in each just so they aren't forgotten. The only guys who really won't be in the rotation are Garcia, Jimmer, and Honeycutt, and actually I think that spot minutes for both Honeycutt and Jimmer could pay dividends in the long run. Unfortunately there just won't be the room.

I'm expecting a complete mess this season, not for lack of talent, but because there will be no roles and no hierarchy, everyone will get into the game for enough minutes to get there shots off but no one will be able to get in a flow. At the end of this year, we will have won a few more games than last year, but we will have a bunch of players with lower trade value than last year and a bunch of guys having no idea what there role in this league should be other than shooting the ball before it gets to another player and the other guys take the shot instead.
 
The starting lineup isn't a big deal to me, but what I predict will happen, and will be bad for the team, is that Smart is going to run a 11-12 man rotation ala Hubie Brown in Memphis and it will be devastating to this team long term.

The seeds are already sown, Smart, just like when he came in last year, is going to be all about pushing the ball and running at a high pace. The Colorado Springs training camp is all about conditioning, I doubt they will even bring balls out there, Smart just wants the guys to be able to run the opponents off the court, and he is going to be doing substitutions like a hockey coach.

Will the big rotations and high paced play win us more games than last year? Yes, probably, especially at home, where the youth and high energy will be enough to overwhelm some of the older teams on the road. The problem though is that this team has too many players trying to prove something and at the first sign of the system not working will just revert to jacking up shots. Tyreke is looking for a new contract, is he okay with sharing half the SG minutes and shots with Thornton? Demarcus wants to be an all star, he's goign to make sure he gets his shots up, especially if there are three other guys he has to share the 96 front court minutes with (and that doesn't take into consideration Smart going small, which will eat into those minutes) How much impact can Hayes have defensively in 15 minutes a night? Thomas Robinson was the 5th pick in the draft, he wants to come in and show what he can do, but with his 20 minutes a night he'll never be comfortable and will see the rest of the team chucking away and want to join in. Isaiah Thomas looked like a nice solid point for the most part last year, but now with Brooks breathing down his throat he's going to be pressing and trying to do too much. Brooks, on the other hand, after being out of the NBA last year, is going to want t come in a prove something, but unfortunately the only thing that really makes him valuable is his scoring, so he will also be chucking away every time he touches the ball. Thornton will most likely have lost his starting job and will be trying to prove he is better than Tyreke, which will mean he needs his shots. Jason Thompson has always been at his best when he knows he has plenty of minutes and can let the game come to him, but with this many guys, his minutes should be going down and he will revert back to pressing to try and keep his job. James Johnson is best suited as a fill in defense and hustle play type of guy, but he will be trying to show that he deserves to be in the NBA, and especially with Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw and Honeycutt all wantign his minutes, he won't be able to play the type of game he needs to to help the team. Smart desn't have the credibility to completely shut down Salmons, which he should, but Salmons as well as Outlaw will be crammed into the game for a couple 5 minute stretches every night, not enough to be productive, but they will be willing and able to get a couple shots in each just so they aren't forgotten. The only guys who really won't be in the rotation are Garcia, Jimmer, and Honeycutt, and actually I think that spot minutes for both Honeycutt and Jimmer could pay dividends in the long run. Unfortunately there just won't be the room.

I'm expecting a complete mess this season, not for lack of talent, but because there will be no roles and no hierarchy, everyone will get into the game for enough minutes to get there shots off but no one will be able to get in a flow. At the end of this year, we will have won a few more games than last year, but we will have a bunch of players with lower trade value than last year and a bunch of guys having no idea what there role in this league should be other than shooting the ball before it gets to another player and the other guys take the shot instead.

Please don't take offense, but I didn't read past the first two paragraphs. I'm begging you, please break up your posts into managable paragraphs.
 
Please don't take offense, but I didn't read past the first two paragraphs. I'm begging you, please break up your posts into managable paragraphs.

TLDR; Everyone is out to get their own, and no one will play as a team. Everyone will be fighting for play time/shots and chucking.
 
I think there's a high probability that Darnell Jackson will be added to the team. Barring some sort of trade prior to the start of the season.

I think we are all expecting that move as well, but until it gets done, I will reserve the right to be worried :p
 
TLDR; Everyone is out to get their own, and no one will play as a team. Everyone will be fighting for play time/shots and chucking.

Well I could forcast the opposite, and it would have as much value, which is none. Sure, the whole thing could be a mess, and exactly what you just stated. But in all honesty, does that seem reasonable, and does it fit every player on the team. I think not. Could there be selfish players on the team? Sure. But in general, most players aren't selfish, they're misguided. Most players want to win, and unfortunately they think that all that responsibility falls on their shoulders. The key is team leadership, from the coach, and from certain members of the team.

These aren't mindless stupid players. What they are, is young players. And young players take time to mature. And just because some of the fan base is impatient and tired of waiting, the process doesn't speed up. If it takes an hour to bake a cake, then it takes an hour to bake a cake. Try and speed up the process and you chance ruining the cake. Its all going to start with Smart. I know many have negative opinions about him, but to be honest, he really hasn't had a legit chance at being an NBA coach. He inherited two teams and did a reasonable job with both in a short period of time. And you have to take into consideration what he had to work with in both cases.

Trust me, I'm not going to give Smart a free pass. He has to produce. But I was encouraged by an interview I listened to where he said he wanted to pattern the Kings after the Spurs. He likes the way Pop's coaches the team. So we'll see. But contrary to your appreciated interpretation, I think the team will make progress this season. I doubt the playoffs are in our future this year, but I do think the team will make some noise in the western division.
 
The starting lineup isn't a big deal to me, but what I predict will happen, and will be bad for the team, is that Smart is going to run a 11-12 man rotation ala Hubie Brown in Memphis and it will be devastating to this team long term.

The seeds are already sown, Smart, just like when he came in last year, is going to be all about pushing the ball and running at a high pace. The Colorado Springs training camp is all about conditioning, I doubt they will even bring balls out there, Smart just wants the guys to be able to run the opponents off the court, and he is going to be doing substitutions like a hockey coach.

Will the big rotations and high paced play win us more games than last year? Yes, probably, especially at home, where the youth and high energy will be enough to overwhelm some of the older teams on the road. The problem though is that this team has too many players trying to prove something and at the first sign of the system not working will just revert to jacking up shots. Tyreke is looking for a new contract, is he okay with sharing half the SG minutes and shots with Thornton? Demarcus wants to be an all star, he's goign to make sure he gets his shots up, especially if there are three other guys he has to share the 96 front court minutes with (and that doesn't take into consideration Smart going small, which will eat into those minutes) How much impact can Hayes have defensively in 15 minutes a night? Thomas Robinson was the 5th pick in the draft, he wants to come in and show what he can do, but with his 20 minutes a night he'll never be comfortable and will see the rest of the team chucking away and want to join in. Isaiah Thomas looked like a nice solid point for the most part last year, but now with Brooks breathing down his throat he's going to be pressing and trying to do too much. Brooks, on the other hand, after being out of the NBA last year, is going to want t come in a prove something, but unfortunately the only thing that really makes him valuable is his scoring, so he will also be chucking away every time he touches the ball. Thornton will most likely have lost his starting job and will be trying to prove he is better than Tyreke, which will mean he needs his shots. Jason Thompson has always been at his best when he knows he has plenty of minutes and can let the game come to him, but with this many guys, his minutes should be going down and he will revert back to pressing to try and keep his job. James Johnson is best suited as a fill in defense and hustle play type of guy, but he will be trying to show that he deserves to be in the NBA, and especially with Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw and Honeycutt all wantign his minutes, he won't be able to play the type of game he needs to to help the team. Smart desn't have the credibility to completely shut down Salmons, which he should, but Salmons as well as Outlaw will be crammed into the game for a couple 5 minute stretches every night, not enough to be productive, but they will be willing and able to get a couple shots in each just so they aren't forgotten. The only guys who really won't be in the rotation are Garcia, Jimmer, and Honeycutt, and actually I think that spot minutes for both Honeycutt and Jimmer could pay dividends in the long run. Unfortunately there just won't be the room.

I'm expecting a complete mess this season, not for lack of talent, but because there will be no roles and no hierarchy, everyone will get into the game for enough minutes to get there shots off but no one will be able to get in a flow. At the end of this year, we will have won a few more games than last year, but we will have a bunch of players with lower trade value than last year and a bunch of guys having no idea what there role in this league should be other than shooting the ball before it gets to another player and the other guys take the shot instead.

You have many assumptions in your post. It's quite possible that you are right on all of them, but it's also quite possible that you are completely wrong. This is a young team. Young teams take time to mature. Most players who enter the league are a little selfish and want to show off what they can do, but as time progresses they realize that mindset is not helping themselves and most importantly the team. Again, as this team matures, I think we will see a much more unselfish team that knows how to play this game the right way.

I do agree with your insights about the lineup. I too can see Smart going 11 players deep on a consistent basis (Thomas, Brooks, Evans, Thornton, Johnson, Outlaw, Salmons, Thompson, Robinson, Cousins, Hayes). I wish we could trim off the extra "fat" on this team.

I was a little upset when I heard the signing of Brooks even if it ends up in a Thornton trade. With a Thomas, Evans, and Thornton rotation, you can trot out any combination of those three and they can function smoothly. With a rotation of Thomas, Brooks, Evans (via a Thornton trade) you can't have any combination of those three out there. I don't see how Thomas and Brooks could play together unless the other team plays two PGs as well. We would be extremely tiny (5'10" and 6'0") in the backcourt. I would have preferred going into the year with Thomas, Evans, and Thornton and letting Jimmer get whatever junk minutes might be left over, but now were going to have to diminish Thomas, Evans, and Thornton's minutes to make room for Brooks which could hurt morale and potentially development.

I was happy when I heard about Johnson. I think he can be a good fit for us as a defensive presence at the SF position. Unfortunately this means we just added another SF to our rotation. I'm willing to give Outlaw another shot. He was mostly used as a stretch PF which does not suit him. If we use him correctly this year, I think him and Johnson can be a very suitable tandem for us going into this year. To me, Salmons is the odd man out, and like most fans, I was praying for the unrealistic amnesty option. Unfortunately we were all let down again.

I think if we didn't sign Brooks and actually used the amnesty on Salmons we would have a much more structured team with a established hierarchy. This is how I would set up the rotation and distribute the minutes:

Thomas (30 min)/Fredette
Evans (36 min)/Thornton (30 min)/Garcia
Johnson (26 min)/Outlaw (20 min)/Honeycutt (2 min)
Thompson (28 min)/Robinson (25 min)
Cousins (35 min)/Hayes (8 min)

I know this is all in my fantasy world, but I would be so much more excited to see us go into the season with this rotation. It is a much less crowded rotation which allows our main players to get their shots without having to worry about anybody else.
 
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PG: IT
SG: Evans
SF: Salmons
PF: JT
C: DC

Bench: MT, JJ, Brooks, Robinson, Outlaw, Hayes, Fredette, Garcia

Second team: Brooks - MT - Johnson - Robinson - Hayes

Starters with the minutes at that particular position (Evans starts at SG but moves around as bench players come in)
PG: IT (30mins) / Brooks (14mins) / Evans (4mins)
SG: Evans (15mins) / MT (25mins) / Brooks (8mins)
SF: Salmons (20mins) / Johnson (14mins) / Evans (14mins)
PF: JT (20mins) / Robinson (20mins) / Johnson (5mins) / Hayes (3mins)
C: Cousins (37mins) / JT (7mins) / Hayes (4mins)

SOL players (**** outta luck) - Fredette, Outlaw, Garcia.

Totals:
Cousins - 37mins
Evans - 33mins
IT - 30mins
JT - 27mins
MT - 25mins
Brooks - 22mins
Salmons - 20mins
Robinson - 20mins
JJ - 19mins
Hayes - 7mins


I am sure I have too many 20-30mins players, but oh well.. Probably cut Robinson's mins by 5 and give them to JT or something. As for the guard spots we NEED to trade someone. We cannot have Evans, IT, MT, Brooks, and Fredette all playing decent minutes. Evans, IT, Brooks and MT are all too good to get screwed out of minutes.
 
Well I could forcast the opposite, and it would have as much value, which is none. Sure, the whole thing could be a mess, and exactly what you just stated. But in all honesty, does that seem reasonable, and does it fit every player on the team. I think not. Could there be selfish players on the team? Sure. But in general, most players aren't selfish, they're misguided. Most players want to win, and unfortunately they think that all that responsibility falls on their shoulders. The key is team leadership, from the coach, and from certain members of the team.

These aren't mindless stupid players. What they are, is young players. And young players take time to mature. And just because some of the fan base is impatient and tired of waiting, the process doesn't speed up. If it takes an hour to bake a cake, then it takes an hour to bake a cake. Try and speed up the process and you chance ruining the cake. Its all going to start with Smart. I know many have negative opinions about him, but to be honest, he really hasn't had a legit chance at being an NBA coach. He inherited two teams and did a reasonable job with both in a short period of time. And you have to take into consideration what he had to work with in both cases.

Trust me, I'm not going to give Smart a free pass. He has to produce. But I was encouraged by an interview I listened to where he said he wanted to pattern the Kings after the Spurs. He likes the way Pop's coaches the team. So we'll see. But contrary to your appreciated interpretation, I think the team will make progress this season. I doubt the playoffs are in our future this year, but I do think the team will make some noise in the western division.

I agree with ya. His post was kind of a "The sky is falling" thing.

Personally I see us making a big jump this year. Cousins has a few seasons under his belt and I *think* Tyreke realizes Cousins is the main cog in the team. Thornton is one of the more underrated NBA players, he will probably lose a bit of production for the sake of the team. Brookes is a vet, Isaiah has never seemed like a selfish player to me. Thompson has been SOLID as a role player. Johnson can be the glue guy who plays hard. Robinson is a rook and will try and find his way but shouldn't be any kind of threat (ball hog) considering the players ahead of him. Anything we get out of the other guys is just a bonus in my eyes.
 
PG: IT
SG: Evans
SF: Salmons
PF: JT
C: DC

Bench: MT, JJ, Brooks, Robinson, Outlaw, Hayes, Fredette, Garcia

Second team: Brooks - MT - Johnson - Robinson - Hayes

Starters with the minutes at that particular position (Evans starts at SG but moves around as bench players come in)
PG: IT (30mins) / Brooks (14mins) / Evans (4mins)
SG: Evans (15mins) / MT (25mins) / Brooks (8mins)
SF: Salmons (20mins) / Johnson (14mins) / Evans (14mins)
PF: JT (20mins) / Robinson (20mins) / Johnson (5mins) / Hayes (3mins)
C: Cousins (37mins) / JT (7mins) / Hayes (4mins)

SOL players (**** outta luck) - Fredette, Outlaw, Garcia.

What about Honeycutt?
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Outlaw surprises at training camp and earns the starting nod. I think Smart liked the lineups we used at the end of last year; they were pretty successful too, even if it was against mostly subpar competition. If Outlaw can continue spacing the floor he will be really valuable.

I also think Tyreke spends more time at PG than at SF.

IT/Evans/Brooks
Evans/Thornton
Outlaw/Johnson
Thompson/Robinson
Cousins/Thompson/Hayes

I don't see Brooks and Hayes getting major minutes. Brooks probably leaves when his contract is up. I also don't foresee Jimmer, Salmons, and Garcia getting ANY minutes. Tough luck to them.
 
What about Honeycutt?



outta luck.. maybe even released.

We all know that Brooks, IT, Evans, Cousins, JT and MT are going to get the bulk of the minutes.. After those 6 we don't have many minutes to go around. Evans will split time at 3 positions, and JT will split time at 2 positions. Brooks will play PG and a little SG, MT will strictly be a SG and IT will be strictly a PG.

Between those 4 players I believe that half the SF minutes will be gone, and all of the SG/PG minutes will be gone. Between JT and Cousins I would assume that most (if not all) of the C minutes will be gone, and about half the PF minutes.

So we need someone that can play 24 minutes at PF and 24 minutes at SF. Johnson and Robinson can fill the PF gap, and Salmons/Johnson can fill the SF minutes that are left.

Hayes will see minutes when there is foul trouble with Cousins and Thompson.
 
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