Primary Reason Kings are Losing

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kingsofnba

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If you look at the stats from the kings games... its not the starting 5 that are killing them game in and game out... it is the fact that the BENCH STINKS!!! ...

being outscored by 20-40 points every night by almost every opponent's bench... the starters are logging some 38-43min/game because the bench can't score at all... and you have to wonder if it is the bench players fault or the coaches fault... players like corliss, kt, skinner, sar are proven nba scorers but can't seem to score in adelmans rotation/scheme off the bench....

if the bench had any offensive production of even an average bench (20-25+pts/game) the kings would be at least a .500 team!!!!
 
BMiller52 said:
It's defense.
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defense is one factor, but the kings have NEVER been a strong defensive team and they used to be a 50+ wins team every season... their offense was what the team's identity was... now they don't have any defense and their offense off the bench has disappered...
 
We were good on D for a couple of years. This team isn't the same team, people have to accept it. We need another trade for a shotblocking starter I guess. A bench would be nice, but when you score 123 and lose by 124 scoring isn't the problem.
 
It's leadership. You gotta be strong night in and night out at your strengths and at least give effort and be average(most nights) in your weaknesses. You need someone to take over and not hesitate when it's time to do so, and knowing when to do that is at least half the battle. Our lack of Rebounding is killing us, even when we make defensive stops we can't secure a rebound this makes our D even worse than it already is. Maybe Ron can be that leader, and show the team the way, but to me it's like having Mike Tyson try to run your team, guy can play but he's not all that bright and he's highly unstable, all that being said he's the only one strong enough for the job. We will see...
 
kingsofnba said:
If you look at the stats from the kings games... its not the starting 5 that are killing them game in and game out... it is the fact that the BENCH STINKS!!! ...

being outscored by 20-40 points every night by almost every opponent's bench... the starters are logging some 38-43min/game because the bench can't score at all... and you have to wonder if it is the bench players fault or the coaches fault... players like corliss, kt, skinner, sar are proven nba scorers but can't seem to score in adelmans rotation/scheme off the bench....

if the bench had any offensive production of even an average bench (20-25+pts/game) the kings would be at least a .500 team!!!!
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Well at this point it's kind of obvious since Rick doesn't even really play our bench. Of course they're going to be outscored every night.
 
kingsofnba said:
If you look at the stats from the kings games... its not the starting 5 that are killing them game in and game out... it is the fact that the BENCH STINKS!!! ...

being outscored by 20-40 points every night by almost every opponent's bench... the starters are logging some 38-43min/game because the bench can't score at all... and you have to wonder if it is the bench players fault or the coaches fault... players like corliss, kt, skinner, sar are proven nba scorers but can't seem to score in adelmans rotation/scheme off the bench....

if the bench had any offensive production of even an average bench (20-25+pts/game) the kings would be at least a .500 team!!!!
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Outside of Corliss, who's really proven effective off the bench? Skinner, SAR, KT all had their best seasons as starters or playing most of the season as starters. SAR still has the jaw issue. Jason Hart's numbers looked good coming off the bench last year in Charlotte, but he played 25 mins and started 27 games. No way is Jason Hart going to get those minutes with Bibby in the lineup. Bobby Jackson only averaged those minutes once in the five years he was here, and that year he started 26 games.
 
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I have noticed things that I didn't notice before Ron got here. Like for one, and sort of communication out on the court. And yes, gulp....leadership. Ron doing most of it too.
 
We need Bonzi and Reef back, and we need the coach to have enough confidence in the bench that he does have (KT and the kids) that our starters aren't getting exhausted logging so many minutes.

I think Skinner should get more minutes behind Miller now that we have Artest (Peja needed Miller) and I think we can have one of the kids running the point for short periods now that they've gotten more experience in the last few games. That will allow the guys that we do have producing off the bench more time to do it and allow our starters to rest. Just don't put them all in at the same time.

It should also be noted that the bench today consisted of Garcia and SAR, so of course they're going to be outscored by a full bench. We've been on a short bench for a while now. The biggest problems on this road trip IMO were exhaustion, injuries, and the confusion over Peja/Artest. Thats kind of a lot for a team to overcome on the road, even against mediocre and crappy teams.
 
kingsofnba said:
If you look at the stats from the kings games... its not the starting 5 that are killing them game in and game out... it is the fact that the BENCH STINKS!!! ...

being outscored by 20-40 points every night by almost every opponent's bench... the starters are logging some 38-43min/game because the bench can't score at all... and you have to wonder if it is the bench players fault or the coaches fault... players like corliss, kt, skinner, sar are proven nba scorers but can't seem to score in adelmans rotation/scheme off the bench....

if the bench had any offensive production of even an average bench (20-25+pts/game) the kings would be at least a .500 team!!!!
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You're kidding, right?

We're half-way into the season and we've pretty much discussed the lack of a real bench ALL YEAR!

But, in all reality, you can't expect much from your bench when two of your starters are out and you're starting your bench.

In addition, Hart wasn't available, Sampson wasn't available, and I don't think Skinner was available.

I think it's pretty much an exercise in futility to try and point the finger at one particular problem as being the root of all the Kings evil.

Once Bonzi is back and SAR is able to play without nearly flopping to the floor like a fish out of water I think we'll be better able to gauge the team AND just what this trade has really done for us.
 
VF21 said:
You're kidding, right?

We're half-way into the season and we've pretty much discussed the lack of a real bench ALL YEAR!

But, in all reality, you can't expect much from your bench when two of your starters are out and you're starting your bench.

In addition, Hart wasn't available, Sampson wasn't available, and I don't think Skinner was available.

I think it's pretty much an exercise in futility to try and point the finger at one particular problem as being the root of all the Kings evil.

Once Bonzi is back and SAR is able to play without nearly flopping to the floor like a fish out of water I think we'll be better able to gauge the team AND just what this trade has really done for us.
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Skinner's available.
 
I saw him suited up. I thought I read somewhere that there was a reason he wasn't playing but I could be wrong... ;)
 
VF21 said:
I saw him suited up. I thought I read somewhere that there was a reason he wasn't playing but I could be wrong... ;)
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There is, but I don't feel like being banned from this site right now. So I'll keep the reason to myself. ;)
 
VF21 said:
It was a joke about my age and failing memory... I think.

;)
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Your very cold!

I will give you a hint: it starts with an "A", and ends with a "delman". :D


Of course, I was planning on delving deeper into the, why, and thought that may cause be to be sent into the land of exile. A few days minimum. ;)
 
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Whatever...

I thought there was something about him having the flu or something.
 
kingsofnba said:
defense is one factor, but the kings have NEVER been a strong defensive team and they used to be a 50+ wins team every season... their offense was what the team's identity was... now they don't have any defense and their offense off the bench has disappered...
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Not true and it has been proven many times around here. At one point in time we had a VERY good defensive team as well despite blowing everyone out of the water offensively.
 
Skinner seems to be the consumate king.

He has taken the skill of being injured to a new level, he never gets to even SNIFF the floor, and yet he is constantly banged up. Congrats to the man for getting to the top by just trying harder...
 
I agree about the bench at around 60%, while overall team defense is 40%. Before Artest you could say Bench was 30- defense was 70. This team needs a sparkplug who can jack up shots at the PG position. Kevin and Francisco are not ready for 20+ minutes IMO.
 
The right answer is cohesiveness and system knowledge. This team doesn't really know each other yet. Look at the top teams in the league and their teams have had little change in the last 2 years. (with the exception of Miami, who is still struggling somewhat) Our team needs time to play together in Adelman's system, whether you like RA or not. I guarantee if you take the Western Conference All-Star team roster and pit them in a 7 game series with the Pistons the Pistons would win. Why? Cohesiveness, they have all played together for 2+ years. The Kings are starting a new chapter. I agree we need a little more toughness in the middle, but give this team a little time and we will be fine. Proposing wholesale changes to the roster week in and week out is not the answer.
 
LoungeLizard said:
The right answer is cohesiveness and system knowledge. This team doesn't really know each other yet. Look at the top teams in the league and their teams have had little change in the last 2 years. (with the exception of Miami, who is still struggling somewhat) Our team needs time to play together in Adelman's system, whether you like RA or not. I guarantee if you take the Western Conference All-Star team roster and pit them in a 7 game series with the Pistons the Pistons would win. Why? Cohesiveness, they have all played together for 2+ years. The Kings are starting a new chapter. I agree we need a little more toughness in the middle, but give this team a little time and we will be fine. Proposing wholesale changes to the roster week in and week out is not the answer.
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That's actually precisely why you should get the wholesale changes that you know you are going to need anyway out of the way all at once if you can. Coherence and consistency do count. Part of our edge there for many years. But if you intentionally go for half measures and leave gaping holes in the team, then you are going to be stuck making major changes in 6 months, a year, 2 years, whatever, and the team will never be able to settle down and gel. We have no chemistry anyway at this point, let's do what needs to be done for the future and THEN put on the "patience" hats and see what develops.
 
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