[Grades] Preseason Grades v. Suns 10/10/12

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
More positive than negative tonight, wish more of you were able to see it.


Evans ( B ) -- early on, looked like more of late last season for Reke. We called the first play for him with a designed backdoor play and he scored. But then just like last year the Cousins/IT/MT trio was just too shot heavy and he was largely frozen out, and forcing the few times he did get it. But things took a sudden encouraging swing in the early 3rd, when we started flat, but Reke started handling the ball on the wings and creating shots for numerous Kings. Only got credited with 4 assists, but it could easily have been double that and his unselfishness helped kick our offense into a higher gear. He was big on the boards after half as well, grabbing 7 in only 24min and we got to take a look at his shooting form on a pair of threes. Much more erect, and he buried one. After half was playing a triple doubel type style.

Thompson ( C ) -- you remember JT form last year? Well then you saw this game from him. Solid energy, sometimes a bit too energetic as he had foul problems again. Somehow repeatedly fed as our offensive goto guy in early third on some questinable feeds from our guards, with predictable results. But finished solidly when all he had to do was catch and convert. Not much on the glass, as everybody else was doing it.

Cousins ( B- ) -- this should tell you maybe what we are in store for -- was sloppy, wild, not particualrly hsi best stuff, and still just overwhelmed everybody to 21pts 9rebs in 26min anyway. Very aggressive attacking outside in. Or sometimes just outside outside as he scarily sat out at the three point line and launched THREE of them in the first half like it was part of his plan. None after half, so maybe somebody said something. Hopefully. Of course was consistently catching the ball 20 feet out, so that can be the result. Certainly was no triangle out there, except perhaps a couple of plays late in the third with he, IT and Reke. Started the third with some ugly forces before really beginning to hammer it insiode, going to the line again and again. Looked to be in shape, and looked like he could run and run. Plenty of mistakes and sloip, but this is preseason. And massive productivity again.

Thornton ( B- ) -- in tht first quarter it looked too much like last year. Gunning, and missing, threes. Making a lot of defensive mistakes. Got his points, but not efficiently, and he and Reke continued to oil and water it. Things took a turn in the third, as the pendulum swung to Reke and away from Marcus, and now it was Marcus's turn to not be involved offensively. But he responded well in other areas and it helped us. Made a couple of good passes, and had a couple of good boards, and closed with a nice steal for a solid across the board stat line.

Thomas ( C+ ) -- had spots and moments throughout, but not consistently drivng things. Part of that could be the hyper-democratic offense we were runnign where he may only have controlled the ball 1/3 or less of the possessions. Made a couple of nifty feeds in the early 3rd, but Dragic was able to score back the other way albeit as often as not because IT left him rather than got beat. Few too many forced shots for self in the late 3rd, but overall good energy that jsut may not have stood out with us getting so much of it from so many sources tonight.

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Bench

Fredette ( B- ) -- legitimately looked better than we have seen him, and that's despite, or perhaps even because he still couldn't shoot, which is supposed to be his calling card. But he immediately started with a nice drive and dropoff to Cousins for a dunk after entering, had a good defensive challenge to finish the quarter, and even showed up on the glass, which is something he was atrocious at as a rookie. We protected his suspect handle somewhat by having various other guards, Reke, Salmons etc. bring it over halfcourt then swing it to him, and he basically ended up contributing in every way EXCEPT shooting. There was a downside though in that his coach approved gunning was disruptive to the other guys when they weren't falling, which they weren't on a 2-8, 1-5 from 3pt land night. Did have several nice little clever drives though, and a little scoring burst in the early 4th as we went on our run. Gotta hit shots to get min in such a crowded situation, but was encouraging to see him do the other things competently.

Robinson ( B+ ) -- a little rookie wildness aside, looked good in his rookie debut. Came in with JJ in the 2nd quarter, and our teamwide defensive aggressiveness immediately picked up several notches. Moved well to open spots on offense, hit a baseline jumper, and showed excellent instincts around the offensive glass. A little too aggressive actually, as when he failed, it was of the wild gunning variety, and that could be a concern if he is ever going to try to earn a spot in our already over-offensed starting lineup.. But he and Johsnon gave us great energy on defense and the glass, and both guys came up with a number of hustle plays. If they can keep that up, that can be a huge shot in the arm for this team that we did not have last year. Still some concerns about what this will look like in a differnt game -- gaurding Scola in the post it was clear for instance that Scola was bigger than he was, and Scola is not a big PF. And Robinson's game was all faceup and operating in the open court and space. How that works against a halfcourt pound you insdie team we will have to see. But tonight he looked good and made a positive impact, and as a bench energy player whether he can guard Pau Gasol in the post is much less of a concern.

Johnson ( A-) -- excellent debut for us. Came in with TRob and immediately made a big impact wiht length, hustle, boardwork, and defense. Looked good offensively before fading a bit, showed the ability to lead the break, and blocked 2 or 3 shots in what could be an immsenely helpful development for our defnsive frontline. 9pts 7rebs 3ast and 3blk in 19min? Just start him Smart.

Hayes ( C+ ) -- offensively impotent again in the first half, fumbling things, turning it over. But was consistently hunting for boards. Did a decent job on Jermaine O'Neal, who isn't much anymore, but is still tall. Hit a bad bad shot going 1 on1 on Jermiane in the post and hitting a fallaway jumper over him. Hey, its preseason. And converted in the 4th when set up. Really did look better than he did last season. Just a limited player, but gave us some boards and bought us time between Cousins stints.

Salmons ( C- ) -- sigh. did not look that bad until he started gunning. Some candid off camera/air comments from the Kings radio crew that apparently they did not know were being recorded in the weird telecast we had, and were not menat to be heard. Basically they are not impressed by Salmons, say game is gone and can't be counted on. Nice to hear somebody noticing. Thing is, that other than tthe shooting, did not look bad. Helped bring the ball up sometimes wiht Jimmer. Active defensively as a reserve SG. Only real positive offensive plays seemed to come on called plays for him out of timeouts, whihc seem kind of wasted. But the rest of his game was solid.

Brooks ( INC ) -- actually dove to create a steal soon after entering, not known for that. Fat lever talked about Smart wanting to play IT and Brooks together for spots during the year. Scary. Hit an open three, and working hard on D, but for a quick guy kept dribbling into traps and trouble. Only got the 6 min in the first half.

Mitchell + Reed ( INC ) -- two young guys trying to make the team barely got in at the end of the game and left no mark.
 
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I would like to see Smart try these lineup changes, in order to maximize the output of all our players

Starting Lineup:

pg: Brooks
sg: Tyreke
sf: James Johnson
pf: JT
c: DMC

why?: This is a good defensive lineup with brooks being able to keep up with quick gaurds and two good wing defenders in Tyreke and JJ, JT and Cousins are both solid post defenders. Brooks is likely our best spot up 3 pt shooter, giving Tyreke more of a chance to handle the ball and create shots for others. And of course DMC is the focal part of the offense, with JT and JJ doing the dirty work.

Bench Mob:
pg: IT
sg: Thornton
sf: Salmons/Outlaw/Garcia
pf: TRob
c: Hayes

why?: Isaiah is better with the ball in his hand (so is Tyreke). This allows IT to come in and instantly take the reigns of the second unit, his speed and creativity will do wonders for our second unit. Thornton can come in firing, with no worries of having to give the ball to Tyreke or DMC (at least in the initial subs). TRob and Hayes both provide hustle and while undersized, they both use their bodies to get in good positions for boards. My guess is that none of Salmons, Outlaw or Garcia will get significant minutes, but they can at least provide something off the bench when needed. Jimmer looks to be the odd man out, even though he looked more aggresive today, but still didn't shoot the ball well.
 
I would like to see Smart try these lineup changes, in order to maximize the output of all our players

Starting Lineup:

pg: Brooks
sg: Tyreke
sf: James Johnson
pf: JT
c: DMC

why?: This is a good defensive lineup with brooks being able to keep up with quick gaurds and two good wing defenders in Tyreke and JJ, JT and Cousins are both solid post defenders. Brooks is likely our best spot up 3 pt shooter, giving Tyreke more of a chance to handle the ball and create shots for others. And of course DMC is the focal part of the offense, with JT and JJ doing the dirty work.

Bench Mob:
pg: IT
sg: Thornton
sf: Salmons/Outlaw/Garcia
pf: TRob
c: Hayes

why?: Isaiah is better with the ball in his hand (so is Tyreke). This allows IT to come in and instantly take the reigns of the second unit, his speed and creativity will do wonders for our second unit. Thornton can come in firing, with no worries of having to give the ball to Tyreke or DMC (at least in the initial subs). TRob and Hayes both provide hustle and while undersized, they both use their bodies to get in good positions for boards. My guess is that none of Salmons, Outlaw or Garcia will get significant minutes, but they can at least provide something off the bench when needed. Jimmer looks to be the odd man out, even though he looked more aggresive today, but still didn't shoot the ball well.


agree with those lineups. doubt that is how it plays out, but makes sense to me.
 
I prefer IT starting over Brooks for leadership and familiarity reasons.I like JJ starting and TRobb off the bench so you can probably have one of those two guys in at all times. Backup SF is a hole unless one of the three vets has a comeback year.
 
I would like to see Smart try these lineup changes, in order to maximize the output of all our players

Starting Lineup:

pg: Brooks
sg: Tyreke
sf: James Johnson
pf: JT
c: DMC

why?: This is a good defensive lineup with brooks being able to keep up with quick gaurds and two good wing defenders in Tyreke and JJ, JT and Cousins are both solid post defenders. Brooks is likely our best spot up 3 pt shooter, giving Tyreke more of a chance to handle the ball and create shots for others. And of course DMC is the focal part of the offense, with JT and JJ doing the dirty work.

Bench Mob:
pg: IT
sg: Thornton
sf: Salmons/Outlaw/Garcia
pf: TRob
c: Hayes

why?: Isaiah is better with the ball in his hand (so is Tyreke). This allows IT to come in and instantly take the reigns of the second unit, his speed and creativity will do wonders for our second unit. Thornton can come in firing, with no worries of having to give the ball to Tyreke or DMC (at least in the initial subs). TRob and Hayes both provide hustle and while undersized, they both use their bodies to get in good positions for boards. My guess is that none of Salmons, Outlaw or Garcia will get significant minutes, but they can at least provide something off the bench when needed. Jimmer looks to be the odd man out, even though he looked more aggresive today, but still didn't shoot the ball well.
Looks good to me. But Id still prefer IT starting, it doesnt matter too much. T Rob starting eventually too..
 
OMG I just got home from the game, I am glad we won but

The starting lineup was just as Jason Jones twittered earlier

I feel bad for Reke , He realy got stuck at SF the whole damn game!! Really?

First half seemed he only got the ball maybe twice once for a nice layup and a missed jumper

Didnt see him at the end of the half was worried he was injured but he did come back stronger in 2nd half

The Salmons played huge minutes as back up SG, he even played SG when Reke was still on court as SF?
Dudley outplayed Reke at the SF position!

I thought JJ was awesome - he should be at starting SF with Salmons behind him!!!

Chuckwagon was awful!! Loved Trob at PF please move to a 3 man rotation, Cuz,JT,Trob Please!!!

And looks like Jimmer passed up A Brooks on the depth chart Really?

Starters:
Cuz b+
jt b-
Reke c (in that position)
MT c
IT c

Bench
Trob B+
JJ B+
Salmons D-
Jimmer C-
Chuckwagon D-
 
Right now I'm hoping for this lineup:

Thomas (27 min)/Evans (11 min)/Brooks (7 min)/Fredette (3 min)
Evans (20 min)/Thornton (28 min)/Garcia
Johnson (28 min)/Outlaw (14 min)/Evans (6 min)/Salmons/Honeycutt
Thompson (21 min)/Robinson (27 min)
Cousins (35 min)/Thompson (7 min)/Hayes (6 min)

8 Man Rotation
Evans = 37 min
Cousins = 35 min
Thornton = 28 min
Thompson = 28 min
Johnson = 28 min
Thomas = 27 min
Robinson = 27 min
Outlaw = 14 min

Situational
Brooks = 7 min
Hayes = 6 min
Fredette = 3 min
 
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I feel conned. Thought the game would be on league pass (seeing as some of you managed to watch it). Subscribed just so I could watch it (it had a WATCH GAME link), and ... "Preseason game not televised". ***tards!
 
I think JT should work better as the first big man off the bench. He can play both C and PF and the big men off the bench are rather undersized now.
 
Overall it was a solid debut for the team. saying that it was a against probably the worst team in the west, but we can definetly build from this game. Hopefully Smart saw that changes will be needed in the starting lineup. IT, Thornton, Tyreke, DMC is offensive overkill that cannibalizes the output of our 4 top scorers. take some of that firepower to the bench and insert JJ to the starting lineup to balance out our rotations. Also JJ is a good shot blocker and would actually make our starting lineup big and physical with a 6'6 long athletic Evans, 6'9 Johnson, 6'11 JT, 7'0 Cousins
 
Smarts answer regarding Cuz shooting 3's is weird. Basically says he told Cuz if he wants to shoots 3's he needs to practice them, and given Cuz practiced them this summer he's ok with it.

Why would you want Cuz practicing 3's and dedicating time to that in the first place? After the game Cuz said Smart wants him shooting 3's. I don't get it.

This quote section 101 posted is also a bit weird. ""I've got about 14 (starting lineups) right now," Smart said. "It's like Sudoku when I look down at that board. But I want to see certain guys play tonight. Like I told the players at shootaround, don't buy into what lineup you see out there. I'm going to put guys on the floor; next game I might start someone else."

Starting JJ at SF and figuring out who runs the point between IT and Brooks doesn't seem that complicated to me. I get the impression Smart is thinking too hard and making this more complicated than it needs to be. It's early, but I'd hope by next game he tries the obvious.

"Coach wants me to shoot the three ball, so I'm still trying to find my spots and where to do it," Cousins said of Keith Smart. "That's what this time is for, trying to find it."

Cousins isn't looking to become a three-point specialist. He said when his trainer, Keith Williams, encouraged him to work on the three-point shot in years past, he resisted the idea.

In his first two seasons Cousins has taken 32 three-point attempts, making five.

"I'm still not even comfortable being out there, but coach wants me to do it, so I'm going to try to get it down," Cousins said.

Smart laughed when asked if he wanted to see Cousins shooting three-pointers.

"I didn't want to see it, but he was going to shoot it anyways," Smart said. "You don't find too many guys who love to rebound but can also shoot from distance. He's a unique guy."
WTF? This doesn't sound like a coach defining roles to me, but rather I'm already seeing a disconnect.
 
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Wow...So Smart is basically going all Westphal 2.0 on us and crapping all over our young star's development.

Reke at the 3... And now we have him telling Cousins to shoot 3s?!

Its like....Why even get excited about the youth movement with these crap coaches the Magoofs give us?
 
Smarts answer regarding Cuz shooting 3's is weird. Basically says he told Cuz if he wants to shoots 3's he needs to practice them, and given Cuz practiced them this summer he's ok with it.

Why would you want Cuz practicing 3's and dedicating time to that in the first place? After the game Cuz said Smart wants him shooting 3's. I don't get it.

This quote section 101 posted is also a bit weird. ""I've got about 14 (starting lineups) right now," Smart said. "It's like Sudoku when I look down at that board. But I want to see certain guys play tonight. Like I told the players at shootaround, don't buy into what lineup you see out there. I'm going to put guys on the floor; next game I might start someone else."

Starting JJ at SF and figuring out who runs the point between IT and Brooks doesn't seem that complicated to me. I get the impression Smart is thinking too hard and making this more complicated than it needs to be. It's early, but I'd hope by next game he tries the obvious.


WTF? This doesn't sound like a coach defining roles to me, but rather I'm already seeing a disconnect.

I'm not running in Smart's circles, so I don't pretend to know whats in his mind. But when he stated he has about 14 starting lineups right now, I think the key words are, "Right Now". I think he wants training camp and the preseason games to be as internally competitive as possible, and the best way to do that, is to make everyone feel as though they have a shot at the starting lineup, other than the center position. He's also stated that he's trying to find out which is the best defensive group to put on the floor when needing a stop.

I guess we'll see how it plays out during the rest of the preseason. One thing, is that Tyreke has to take his open shot when its there. I think he still has a tendecy to look for an open lane before deciding to take the jumper, and your only open for a second. I'll cut them all some slack since they're trying to learn a new offense, and get used to each others tendecies. Not unusual for the first game to be sloppy.. But hey, we won! Yi Pi!
 
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Smarts answer regarding Cuz shooting 3's is weird. Basically says he told Cuz if he wants to shoots 3's he needs to practice them, and given Cuz practiced them this summer he's ok with it.

Why would you want Cuz practicing 3's and dedicating time to that in the first place? After the game Cuz said Smart wants him shooting 3's. I don't get it.

This quote section 101 posted is also a bit weird. ""I've got about 14 (starting lineups) right now," Smart said. "It's like Sudoku when I look down at that board. But I want to see certain guys play tonight. Like I told the players at shootaround, don't buy into what lineup you see out there. I'm going to put guys on the floor; next game I might start someone else."

Starting JJ at SF and figuring out who runs the point between IT and Brooks doesn't seem that complicated to me. I get the impression Smart is thinking too hard and making this more complicated than it needs to be. It's early, but I'd hope by next game he tries the obvious.


WTF? This doesn't sound like a coach defining roles to me, but rather I'm already seeing a disconnect.

There was a total disconnect between Smart and Cousins and his 3-pointers in today's Bee. Cousins saying he was a given a "go" to shoot them. Smart saying the exact opposite. WTF???? They can't even get their stories straight.
 
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i feel like this team has the potential to be a lot like the kings Glory Days team. they have the potential to be very good on the defensive end, led by Reke,Johnson and Robinson. and they have the potential to be a VERY good passing team, much like the old kings. isaiah Thomas, MT, Reke,JamesJohnson, Robinson, JT, and DMC all have shown they are good passers and like to pass the ball (most of the time)
 
...they have the potential to be a VERY good passing team, much like the old kings.

Last year, we recorded assists on 51.0% of our baskets, second-worst in the league (amazingly, the Thunder were the worst). The Celtics were the best at 66.5%, and the average was 57.5%. In '03-'04 we hit the huge number of 69.4% for the season, but outside of that we stayed in the 60-62.5% range.

Last night we were at 68.6% That won't last, I'm sure, but it's really nice to see that we have that potential.
 
Team grade (for a preseason opener) C+. C because it wasn't very good and it wasn't very bad. + because they won. Not important in a preseason but a nice thing to get used to.
 
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