Preseason Grades v. Blazers 10/20

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Bricklayer

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Pretty much a classic inside power team vs. perimeter team matchup, with the usual result of such things:

Salmons ( A ) -- about the only thing keeping the Kings within shouting distance in the early going, not only with his own offense, but repeatedly setting up Kings off the drive and dish, which is not something he typically looks to do much of. After a stretch of selfish play in the late 3rd/early 4th, came back on strong during the final minutes and was probably our best overall player tonight (was more complete than Kevin). First really strong game of the preseason.

Moore ( B- ) -- modestly effective for much fo the nght in his roleplayer/mopping up role. Of course was not slowing Aldrige at all the other way, and Oden just sent him flying. To the degree we cared about winning, a pair of bricked FTs late hurt our cause.

Hawes ( F ) -- Oden Pt. Deux. Could end this by just saying: saw Oden. Got obliterated. Again. But we'll try a bit more: didn't look as scared, in the early going at least. But no more effective as he picked up three fouls in six minutes and sat out the rest of the half. Was in there late, as technically he was our starter, but again just reduced himself to a 3pt jumpshooter to avoid the big man inside. Somewhere buried in the back of Oden's locker is a deed of ownership with Spencer's name on it right now.

Martin ( A ) -- got off to a slow start in this one, mostly just contributing turnovers in the first. But came on in the second with some spectacular plays, the highlight of which had to be a flying two handed dunk before Oden could rotate over. Fernandez burned him for back to back threes the other way, but the second one wasn't really Kevin's fault as Oden had Thompson pinned one on one and Kevin had to crash down on the double, leaving Rudy open (the classic advantage of the big post player making others better). Uncharacteristically had a bunch of turnovers, but was otherwise extremely efficient even by his (sometimes overstated by underheighted white haired French Lick hicks) standards. Benefitted as he always does by the refs turning this one into a two hand touch tweetfest. There were 65 FTs attempted, and other than Oden deciding on one play to just clear out the entire Kings frontline, the game was not that rough. Was doing little else but score however. Nabbed 1 rebound. Dished off one assist (and could have had a second were it not for the foul). Best quarter was the second, but generally stayed with it until the end, getting a late burst as he took advantage of the opportunity to school young Euro rookie Nicholas Batum, and having no problem going around Rudy Fernandez (some problem stopping him the other way however). Did ponder the minus here, as lots of pts with only 1 reb and 1 ast in a double figure loss looks suspiciously like a Michael Redd at his most irrelevant line, but the game felt better than that, and the extreme efficiency and basically two man team nature of our effort tonight was enough for the straight A.

Brown ( C- ) -- erratic effort tonight in a starting role in a game being taken somewhat seriously by both sides. In the early going was being subjected to traps and fullcourt pressure, and we did not handle it well. Some of that was on him, although his speed and ball handling should make those tactics difficult. Made a good defensive play in the second with an open court steal, and generally did not have too many problems with the largely punchless Portland PGs except when Roy was handling the ball. Was maybe at his best in the early 4th quarter against Sergio Rodriguez. Got into his scoring rhtyhm again, but did commit a killer turnover in the mid quarter and then quit looking for teammates again, leading to his final replacement by Bobby (Jackson). This is one of those C- grades that takes into account the player and experience. Beno gives this same performance he's in the D's somewhere.

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Miller ( INC ) -- not terribly effective in a short 6 minute stint in the late first/early second. While I think it had more to do with us intentionally limiting Brad's minutes than his poor play, we went the rest of the half with Thompson at center (even against Oden for a spell) and the great and holy KT at PF. Brad never returned.

BJax ( B- ) -- not amazing, but maybe his best appearance of the preseason. Got off to a good start hitting his first shot, and then almost beating the buzzer at the end of the first quarter with a second attempt. Was good again working with Bobby Brown in the early 4th, and then took over for the younger Bobby down the stretch after the kid showed his kidness with some selfish play. Too much shouldn't be made of this as it was still only a 7pt 4ast 3TO in 28min type performance, but on a night when it was John, Kevin, and then a whole lot of nothing, at least Bobby's nothing was respectable.

Thompson ( C+ ) -- solid work as a garbageman after coming in in the late first, and finally hit one of those short jumpers from the side too. Was tried over at center next to Kenny Thomas (yes, we were running a JT/KT frontline there for while) but was largely overwhelmed in there late in the 2nd quarter when trying to match Oden's power. Ineffective in a brief 4th quarter stint before the teams tried to win it and we went to our main guys.

Thomas ( C+ ) -- batton down the hatches, it seems increasingly obvious that come the start of the regular season, none other than Kenny Thomas has a real shot at rotation minutes (meaning 2 of Douby, Sheldon, Brown, Greene and Thompson will not be on the 12 man roster). And why not after he showed today that he could be our designated Joel Wiltzbilla answer. Yes, that Kenny Thomas went right at him for 4 points quick points in the second quarter, and was battling pretty well in there for a vertically challenged person. Did throw one of his bonehead outlet turnovers, but hey, that's why we love him so much. As was the case the last game out, however, he began to grow progressively invisble the longer he was on the court. His second half minutes were particularly pointless. Seemed somewhat more effective than his numbers alone would indicate.

Williams ( C- ) -- in for the first time in the third quarter in a good move to try to match Oden with some brawn. Was overwhelmed as well of course, but held his own much more than anybody else was able to. Unfortunately that was pretty much all he did. Hi, I am Shelden Williams. I am holding my own. Please feel free to run right on by me with that funny orange ball while I stand here and hold my own.

Greene ( INC ) -- into the game briefly in the 4th quarter, made an aggressive follow which got him to the line, but otherwise looked shaky on defense and handling the ball. Then both teams decided they wanted to win (I suspect reggie would have anyway, but Portland started it by putting back in 3 starters), an there was no more time for Donte development. Of course there was plenty of time earlier inthe game, and why we did not, I do not know. Can only figure Donte is not in the plans at all for the regular season right now. In any case, Donte in, Donte shaky while in, Donte out.
 
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Martin A+ the rest of the team an F-.

We should be seeing a lot of that crap this whole season.
 
Martin A+ the rest of the team an F-.

We should be seeing a lot of that crap this whole season.




I was at the game tonight........


K-Mart got an A+++++++ from me. The guy is amazing, and makes scoring the ball look totally effortless and simple. HE WILL BE AN ALL-STAR this season, take it to the bank.


Salmons gets a B from me. Sure, he scored 25 and all, but being at the game and seeing him first hand is making my B grade easier to give. He still holds the ball WAY TOO MUCH, and gets tunnel vision every time he drives to the rack. If he would keep his head up when he dribbles or drives, he could be a lot more effective.


My last grade goes to Spencer Hawes. F - - - - - - - - -!!!!!!!

Dude is soft, plain and simple. Oden made him his B......you know what I'm saying. Scoreless, and probably didn't snag one rebound all night. Get him outta there.
 
My last grade goes to Spencer Hawes. F - - - - - - - - -!!!!!!!

Dude is soft, plain and simple. Oden made him his B......you know what I'm saying. Scoreless, and probably didn't snag one rebound all night. Get him outta there.

Don't you think that's a bit melodramatic ???
 
Why didn't Beno play? Was he injured again? If so, he seems to be injured every other game. Yea, I know its the pre-season, however, when the regular season begins, hopefully this won't become a habit.
 
It most likely will be a habit. He doesn't play hurt and I've heard that he sits out frequently in practice as well. The guy is like the anti gym rat.
 
This game showed that the Kings preseason won't be over for quite awhile. JT shows flashes of how good he can be, now needs to develop consistency. He can play the 5 against the non-monster 5's in time. BJax is starting to show the BJax of old. But without Beno and Brad those first 5 will be interesting.

I think Spencer is just being too agressive, too quick for his own good rather than letting the game come to him. His ego gets in his way.

The Blazer defense was the best of the preseason and other than KMart and Salmons no one handled it very well. On the other side Kings struggled with D all night and just didn't stop the outside shooters.

We should start to see the real Kings beginning around game 8-10 and settle down a bit.
 
I think Spencer is just being too agressive, too quick for his own good rather than letting the game come to him. His ego gets in his way.

I think also that he's just trying too hard and not playing smart. He tries to block an Oden jump shot? Why? And then on another play he gets frustrated and backhands Oden in a flailing move that gets the attention of the officials. He's just got to settle down and play fundamentally sound defense, not trying to be defensive player of the year (which he obviously isn't). It will also help when he develops some acting skill so he can get some charging calls. Personally, I think it would do Hawes a world of good if Theus would have him run around a couple of screens on some set plays at the beginning of the game when he's going against a guy like Oden. If he gets a couple of shots to go down, I think his defense will get better.
 
I'd rather not say, but it's a reliable source.

Uh-huh...

Sorry but I'm not gonna buy into it. It's real easy to take potshots at players and then attribute it to "reliable sources." Chad Ford has made a living out of it.

They actually talked about Beno not playing last night and said it was more preventive than anything else since it was a pre-season game.
 
This game showed that the Kings preseason won't be over for quite awhile. JT shows flashes of how good he can be, now needs to develop consistency. He can play the 5 against the non-monster 5's in time. BJax is starting to show the BJax of old. But without Beno and Brad those first 5 will be interesting.

I think Spencer is just being too agressive, too quick for his own good rather than letting the game come to him. His ego gets in his way.

The Blazer defense was the best of the preseason and other than KMart and Salmons no one handled it very well. On the other side Kings struggled with D all night and just didn't stop the outside shooters.

We should start to see the real Kings beginning around game 8-10 and settle down a bit.



Spencer Hawes.....too quick? That assessment should never be used in describing his game. Dude is a statue in the paint, and is scared to get his hands dirty.
 
Still, does anyone deny that Beno's toughness and durability have been called into question in the past? I think that is part of the scouting report on him right? Doesn't mean he should play hurt in the preseason to prove something... but he does have to live with that image until he sheds it.
 
Still, does anyone deny that Beno's toughness and durability have been called into question in the past? I think that is part of the scouting report on him right? Doesn't mean he should play hurt in the preseason to prove something... but he does have to live with that image until he sheds it.

That was the rep coming out of San Antonio to be sure, and he did miss a long spell for us last year.

The sitting out of practices with minor injuries was/is more in question.
 
This game showed that the Kings preseason won't be over for quite awhile. JT shows flashes of how good he can be, now needs to develop consistency. He can play the 5 against the non-monster 5's in time. BJax is starting to show the BJax of old. But without Beno and Brad those first 5 will be interesting.

I think Spencer is just being too agressive, too quick for his own good rather than letting the game come to him. His ego gets in his way.

The Blazer defense was the best of the preseason and other than KMart and Salmons no one handled it very well. On the other side Kings struggled with D all night and just didn't stop the outside shooters.

We should start to see the real Kings beginning around game 8-10 and settle down a bit.

Both good assessments.

JT shows a lot of potential. His biggest issue right now (aside from some jitters) is wasted movements. He often puts down one dribble too many or spins a bit too much. He has displayed some nice post moves, drives and soft touch as well as great hands. But he is still getting punished by NBA players for trying to do "college moves." When he learns to move more quickly and confidently, he will start getting even better results.

Hawes ego definitley hurts him versus Oden. Instead of settling for slowing Oden and making him work harder, Hawes seems to want to "shut him down." He was pushing him with two hands, aggressively trying to block his shot and showing clear frustration that he was being outplayer. One reason that Vlade was relatively effective versus Shaq is that he accepted that Shaq was the better player and that he could not stop him. Instead he tried to make him work had, mix up his D to keep Shaq guessing and he went after him on O to draw fouls and make him work hard. Hawes needs to develop a similar approach to Oden. Right now he is still displying the hubris of his youth.
 
Rule number one with me. You either name the source, or, you don't post the remark. I could make up anything I want and say it came from a reliable source. It has no credtiablity what so ever.:cool:
I don't ascribe to that as a rule without exception, but certainly when it's a comment that impugns anothers character.

I mean, it's certainly kosher with me if you're protecting a source who's giving you info on player moves, hirings/firings and such, but saying something like "I heard from a reliable source that Player A is lazy" is just a cheap way to make an ad hominem attack.
 
Thompson ( C+ ) -- solid work as a garbageman after coming in in the late first, and finally hit one of those short jumpers from the side too. Was tried over at center next to Kenny Thomas (yes, we were running a JT/KT frontline there for while) but was largely overwhelmed in there late in the 2nd quarter when trying to match Oden's power. Ineffective in a brief 4th quarter stint before the teams tried to win it and we went to our main guys.

Haha, yes, JT can definitley play some Center for us, but against Oden, not so much, he looked like a flea. It felt like that scene in Jaws when they remarked, "I think we're gonna need a bigger boat."
 
Spencer Hawes.....too quick? That assessment should never be used in describing his game. Dude is a statue in the paint, and is scared to get his hands dirty.

Some people see what they want to see, and thats obviously the case with you. Hawes is pretty quick for a big guy. Is he as quick as Oden? No, probably not, but Oden is another freak of nature, and fortunately for Hawes, he doesn't have to play him every night.

I thought that Thompson did a better job of denying Oden position under the basket than Hawes did. At least fundamentaly. Put another 20 pounds of muscle on Thompson and I think he could easily play center against most centers in the league. Of course, that means adding experience also. You were a little harsh on Thompson in the fourth quarter Bricky. I don't think he was in there for more than 45 seconds, before Reggie decided to match up against Portland.

Will someone explain the rotation with Sheldon and KT as our bigs. We were doing fairly well in the rebounding dept. until that group was on the floor. I think Portland averaged at least 2 offensive rebounds per posession againt those two guys. I just hope to god that were trying to showcase KT, and he's not part of our regular rotation.

I loved the way in the halftime interview with one of the coaches, he said they were going to put more emphasis on covering their guards on the permiter and we were going to pass the ball more. I think they forgot to tell our guards that. Especially Bobby Brown, who is starting to make BJax look like a pass first pt guard.

I was surprised that Greene didn't play more. With Cisco sitting on the bench in street clothes, it would have been an excuse to get him a few more minutes. Salmons was playing at a high level, so I understand not wanting to take him out, but it was just an exhibition game. Greene does have a long way to go, but then, so does the whole team.

Thompson played much better, and was active around the basket. It appeared to me that he was concentrating more on rebounding and playing defense. He tried to set a lot of picks. He's got to be careful. I thought several of his picks were moving picks, but I liked the effort. He did make a nice tackle on Aldrige. I think he'll be fine. He is trying to learn three positions, and it looks like he's thinking a little too much.

I have to get past the warm fuzzy feeling I get everytime BJax comes onto the floor. I need to keep reminding myself that its not the Bobby of old. There are brief flashbacks though.
 
I really wish we could have hired Vlade to be part of the coaching group. I know he’s doing something else but he could really have helped our young guys out and I would have loved to see him back in this community. Plus, he’s a great leader, player and an amazing guy. I didn’t understand the SAR signing (after he retired). At least we could have asked Chris Webber to come and be part of the coaching staff.

As far as Beno. I think we’re just being careful with him right now, it is just preseason. And this is a good opportunity for Bobby Brown to find a rhythm and groove with this team.
 
Haha, yes, JT can definitley play some Center for us, but against Oden, not so much, he looked like a flea. It felt like that scene in Jaws when they remarked, "I think we're gonna need a bigger boat."
He really can't. He gets pushed around by everyone and sets terrible screens.
 
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