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VF21 said:Out of idle curiosity, who is a SKILLED thug?
LOL maybe we should get Chaney to coach the thugs as an assistant. I hear he is out of a Job for the season.
VF21 said:Out of idle curiosity, who is a SKILLED thug?
Brad MillerVF21 said:Out of idle curiosity, who is a SKILLED thug?
I think so...in a good way. He is alot like Bill Lambere (sp?)ReinadelosReys said:Wha....![]()
Heuge said:Brad Miller
I sort of wish you were right. I like Brad, he can bevery tough, but I would like to see him play even tougher!Heuge said:I think so...in a good way. He is alot like Bill Lambere (sp?)
CruzDude said:Corliss and Thomas = 16 reb and 33 pts
CWebb = 11 reb and 16 pts
New guys +5 +17 plus interior defense
Yeah, but Iguadala wasn't part of the trade! Corliss and Kenny were what we got fro CWebb. So seems fair to me.
Moses Malone!Bricklayer said:Mailman was a skilled thug I think.Ooh! Ooh! Got it! The ultimatre skilled thug: Anthony Mason.
Bricklayer said:<sigh> Its not always going to be this smooth, and the guys aren't always going to be this good. There are still bumps ahead.
Kings-Lakers-Fan said:haha thanks for ruining our happy momement Bricklayer, but you have a good point. Mobley was barely the same Cat we saw in the first couple of games, I just hope that it won't be the same with K9 and Corliss (does he have a nick-name?). We are going to have low games, they are only human, but these will be as limited as possible ::knock on wood::
Bricklayer said:<sigh> I guess it doesn't matter, but guys...we got outrebounded tongiht. We were playing a fairly weak opponent as disjointed as we were, and the new guys were all playing inspired ball because it was their first game back and they had something to prove. Its not always going to be this smooth, and the guys aren't always going to be this good. There are still bumps ahead.
P.S. remember how Mobley looked like an All-Defensive team member his first couple of games for us? Same syndrome.
quick dog said:You are typically pretty critical of new players, too pesimistic I think. They got a lot of rebounds because of their giraffe-clone center. Plus, although I didn't check the box scores, I believe we got a lot more second-chance points.
Kings-Lakers-Fan said:the NEW guys did a great job, the OLD guys were what they usually are: weak on the glass.
Bricklayer said:No, I think that is generally fair tonight. And that is the problem -- we traded away our best boarder (actually with Matt maybe our TWO best boarders) to get these new guys. So they hustle and do a pretty good job on the glass, but they really aren't any better than the guys we lost. Chris Webber and Matt Barnes were NOT why we were a poor rebounding team. Both guys were near the top of the charts for players at their positions. The problems were elsewhere. And that obviously hasn't been corrected.
quick dog said:Chris is a good rebounder, but I think his lack of mobility and speed has made him somewhat of a defensive liability. Thomas went right around him. That is more of a problem than simple rebounds. People run right past our players to the net. I thought that Webber and Iverson were largely controlled tonight. Neither went off for major points. Songaila did pretty well with Chris.
Bricklayer said:Well, if you want to I suspose, but the "genius" is still very much in question.
Can't be stressed enough -- 1 game against a disjointed mediocre opponent. This isn't going to happen everytime out -- the flip side of these guys being old pros is that they don't have any surprsies in store. Nobody's suddenly going to become a stud. Just be what they are, and then probably get moved in a few months when we try to re-contender ourselves in the offseason.
Alacron said:I think of it as:
Webber for Thomas Large Downgrade: -rebounding -scoring -passing -leadership +athleticism +defensive rotation
Barnes for Corliss Moderate Upgrade: +scoring +experience -rebounding -defense
Bradley for Skinner Slight Upgrade: +shotblocking +rebounding
Overall: +depth +athleticism +experience +defense -rebounding =scoring
We're not really saving any money in this deal, despite what many people seem to think. I'd need NME to back me up on this, but I believe the total $$$ owed on these three contracts actually exceeds that left on Webber's.
Here's the thing: If Webber gives out physically again, this turns out to be an unquestionably good deal for us. Kenny Thomas on the court is 100% better than Webber in a suit (except for the ladies). His trade value was at his highest now since his recent 3Ds and overall play. We all know Petrie is not an idiot. He took a very bold, calculated risk. Whether it was a good move or not only time will tell.
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Agreed^, It's just one game but I felt a little sense of closure tonight too. The new guys I think exceded most peoples expectations, they certainly exceded mine. I'm looking foward to seeing what this new team can do once we get Peja back, It's still early but this game gave me hope that Corliss and crew can play like this on a consistant basis... and hope is something I have been missing the last few days.GoGoGadget said:I've got questions -- issues? -- with the trade that probably won't be addressed until the offseason, and certainly won't be addressed after one shorthanded and overly emotional game. So, its way too early to go there for me.
However, on a strictly personal level, I learned that I was, in fact, able to root for the new guys* and that I could (for the first time ever) root for Chris to miss a shot. Watching the game got me closer to closure, and, damn that feels good.
*I knew that I could, of course, root for anyone and everyone wearing a Kings jersey, but it was nice to get confirmation of that fact -- the emotion of the trade hit hard
GoGoGadget said:I've got questions -- issues? -- with the trade that probably won't be addressed until the offseason, and certainly won't be addressed after one shorthanded and overly emotional game. So, its way too early to go there for me.
However, on a strictly personal level, I learned that I was, in fact, able to root for the new guys* and that I could (for the first time ever) root for Chris to miss a shot. Watching the game got me closer to closure, and, damn that feels good.
*I knew that I could, of course, root for anyone and everyone wearing a Kings jersey, but it was nice to get confirmation of that fact -- the emotion of the trade hit hard