Post draft thread discussion (split)

[Gary]

Gotcha... Winning will solve a lot of these arguments so here's to the Kings finally getting into the playoffs this season! *crosses fingers*

 

[Gary]

I've warmed to the Ray McCallum pick, but I still don't know how this roster makes any sense. Every year, it's the same holes in the roster, and no matter the talent and amount of lottery picks, the team loses because it doesn't fit together well. Another draft with new ownership and the same holes remain, and I'm not confident they can address those holes via free agency. Maybe after some trades, I'll feel better, but GOOD LORD how can you ignore SF, PG, and shotblocking? The Renadive group is supposed to be smart, but they came out of this draft saying all the things Petrie would say. "We needed BPA." "We lost so obviously we have no talent." "We were lucky to get the guy we always wanted!"

We need to wait for the FA signings/ect ect IMO. IF nothing happens, then we should get the pitchforks

 

[Mojo]

Cant NO just absorb the salary? I am not sure what their cap level is. If it was the other way around I am sure we could absorb it.

I think their cap space may be significantly lower now that they just acquired Holiday. Not sure how he fits in over there either though. They would be in the same situation we are in with Thornton coming off the bench behind Gordon. Include that with the fact that they trade him away after he was benched, it doesn't look likely.

 

[Section 101]

Cant NO just absorb the salary? I am not sure what their cap level is. If it was the other way around I am sure we could absorb it.

Maybe the Suns are part of a 3 way deal that sends Gordon their way.

 

[Gary]

Does anyone think that the Kings could Trade McLemore? (I heard the presser but we know how those NBA FO types are).

It's someone who was projected in the top 3, and not unlike Noel he fell and maybe there were teams in the 10-15 range that might be interested in a swap? Player/pick for McLemore?

Is there anyone in the late lottery which has a player and that took a pick that you might have liked?

I am happy with McLemore, but we do have an awful lot of guards.

 

[Hallama]

Does anyone think that the Kings could Trade McLemore? (I heard the presser but we know how those NBA FO types are).

It's someone who was projected in the top 3, and not unlike Noel he fell and maybe there were teams in the 10-15 range that might be interested in a swap? Player/pick for McLemore?

Is there anyone in the late lottery which has a player and that took a pick that you might have liked?

I am happy with McLemore, but we do have an awful lot of guards.

McClemore is probably the safest bet NOT to get traded out of the group.

 

[Uncia03]

Does anyone think that the Kings could Trade McLemore? (I heard the presser but we know how those NBA FO types are).

It's someone who was projected in the top 3, and not unlike Noel he fell and maybe there were teams in the 10-15 range that might be interested in a swap? Player/pick for McLemore?

Is there anyone in the late lottery which has a player and that took a pick that you might have liked?

I am happy with McLemore, but we do have an awful lot of guards.

Yeah...I don't see any way that we trade McLemore...unless it's for some sort of no-brainer situation. He was a great pick-up and if we can retain Tyreke...the trio really compliment each other and can do a lot of damage in the NBA.

 

[The_Jamal]

You have to believe the FO envisioned a Reke-McLemore back-court. If Reke leaves, then we have his replacement locked up to a rookie deal.

 

[Padrino]

some fans on here are just crazy, you don't pass on a talent like McLemore because we have Tyreke(who has been wildly inconsitent and erratic for four seasons, and is still very much a project). McLemore is not only smoothe, efficient off the ball, with a textbook jumpshot, but he has ELITE athletic ability, we're talking young Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose, Russel Westrbrook level. Tyreke doesn't have that, and like it or not that what separates a budding all star from a star. A guy can work on his defense, shooting, off the dribble moves and ball handling or other basketball skills, but you cant teach athleticism, and McLemore has that at an elite level with the skills to match. I want Tyreke to stay of course, imagine Tyreke and McLemore getting steals and running the break.... absolutely lethal combination of speed, power and athleticism. Also defensively they have the potential to be suffocating, now if only we could find that defensive SF role player/spot up shooter. If we start Patterson and find a shooter at SF, floor spacing will finally be amazing for Cousins and Tyreke, with McLemore running off screens.

C: Cousins/JT/Hayes
PFatterson/JT
SF:?/Evans/Outlaw
SG:McLemore
PG:Evans/IT/McCollum

you really aren't terribly good at talent evaluation. mclemore may have the athleticism of wade, rose, westbrook, et al, but he does not have their rim attack. not even close. he is an efficient jump shooter without a handle. it is those very players who have difficulty achieving stardom, friend, because, as always, you live and you die by the jumpshot in the nba. dwayne wade's jump shot has never been anything but "wildly inconsistent and erratic" his entire career, and yet he is a star because he can get to the rim at will...

tyreke evans also has this ability, and has successfully converted on 60% of his shots at rim in his four-year career. that's a westbrook-level slashing talent. but when an nba defense takes away ben mclemore's jump shot, will he have the recourse to develop his handle, to bolster his assertiveness with an efficient dribble-drive? i hope so, because otherwise he's got a klay thompson type of ceiling. i'm so sick of hearing from kings fans who believe that some draft pick or another is going to save the team when two of them with all-star potential already dropped to the kings in two consecutive drafts, just to see ownership/management/coaching **** the dog time and again with the surrounding roster. it's embarrassing sometimes, to be a kings fan...

 

[Uk kings fan]

Yay! just seen the draft and im happy !!

 

[Mad D]

Wow. Reading some comments on some Kansas message boards and various sports blogs. Some still think the ******* own the team. I also saw a comment of wanting to start him with Jimmer. I think I'll stop reading these now.

 

[VF21]

NOTE: I split this off from the draft day thread considering it was approaching almost 1,000 posts.

Carry on.

 

[pshn80]

i'm gonna lay off the arguing over tyreke for the day, because i'm exhausted from the anxiety that yesterday introduced. i do want to say this, however: i can appreciate that ranadive, d'allesandro, and co. are so excited about having made their first draft pick for the sacramento kings, but for kings fans, it's been lottery pick after lottery pick after lottery pick. it's been seven years' worth, the last two being an utter waste of time and roster space. and personally, i wasn't all that excited about this year's draft, either, because there wasn't all that much to be excited about. there was no lebron james. there was no chris paul. there wasn't even a blake griffin...

yet ranadive's and d'allesandro's enthusiasm over ben mclemore seems out of proportion to his talent level. i don't want to make that sound like an unwarranted criticism, because, again, i do genuinely appreciate their early investment in revitalizing this franchise. but it does concern me a fair amount that we've seen their unbridled enthusiasm unleashed first over demarcus cousins, and then over ben mclemore. yet we've seen nothing of the sort with respect to tyreke evans. that may be for no other reason than the fact that evans is an RFA, and they've abstained from commenting on him too much because they have yet to enter into contract negotiations. but i remain concerned nonetheless, and i wish i could say that the drafting of ben mclemore did something to temper my anxiety...

now, the kings may very well have come away with the most talented player in this draft. however, even though mclemore has quite the jump shot, he still doesn't project out to be, say, steph curry, who was a superior ball handler, passer, and floor general upon entering the draft. really, we're looking at a klay thompson type in mclemore, which is hardly a bad thing. in my estimation, mclemore is representative of the kind of significant roleplayer this roster desperately needs. that said, he's also not the kinda guy you go "all in" for. he could become something special someday (as with many young players with any kind of ceiling whatsoever), but, as of this moment, he doesn't exactly have #2 written all over him. lemme put it this way: if the plan is to pair mclemore with tyreke evans in the backcourt, then i'm a very big fan of the pick. but, if the plan is to sacrifice tyreke at the altar of ben mclemore, who the new regime seems to believe in so much, despite how unproven he remains, and despite tyreke's proven level of production and undeniable ceiling, then i might just become sick to my stomach...

i've heard the "tyreke is not a PG!!!!!!!!!!!" nonsense repeated so thoroughly that i'd be half-tempted to believe it if i didn't know better, but here's the facts of the case: 'reke and mclemore are complementary to one another in style of play, which is precisely what i and a great many others have been clamoring for on this roster since demarcus cousins was drafted. the kings require pieces that fit together in a sensible way, and i rather like a team constructed with cousins, evans, and mclemore at it's core. it's a big, athletic, versatile backcourt. and you've got post play from DMC. you've got penetration from 'reke. you've got outside shooting from mclemore, and an athleticism that would be useful on the break. you've got defense from 'reke, and i hear that mclemore isn't entirely inept on that side of the floor, either. you've got ball-handling and passing from 'reke, and some passing from cousins, as well. find a way to bring in a SF who can also move the ball effectively, and it doesn't matter so much that tyreke is not the prototypical PG that a great many kings fans still desire, for some reason...

as with the kings of old, your ball movement would be by committee, rather than by virtue of a "traditional point." and yes, i fully recognize that these young players would never execute an offense as beautifully as that team did, but then again, they don't have to with a potentially-dominant big in cousins and an elite penetrator in evans, especially if malone's MO is to craft a defensively-disciplined team (of course, this remains to be seen, and i'm skeptical given the kings' apparent preference for guards in the '13 draft, despite being utterly overloaded in the backcourt)...

Don't be anxious. If we can see it, they cash see it. It may not be easy or pretty but it will get done.

 

[pshn80]

I know it isn't very logical BUT I was heartened to learn that Ray is the second University of
Detroit Titan to play for the Kings - Terry Tyler was the first and I always liked him. Go Titans!!!!

 

[Darth Divac]

Yay! just seen the draft and im happy !!

Rock Chalk

 

[Vlade4GM]

Well, people can have different opinions. But yes, one is right the other is wrong. That's how opinions work.

Or they're both wrong.

 

[mcsluggo]

i'm gonna lay off the arguing over tyreke for the day, because i'm exhausted from the anxiety that yesterday introduced. i do want to say this, however: i can appreciate that ranadive, d'allesandro, and co. are so excited about having made their first draft pick for the sacramento kings, but for kings fans, it's been lottery pick after lottery pick after lottery pick. it's been seven years' worth, the last two being an utter waste of time and roster space. and personally, i wasn't all that excited about this year's draft, either, because there wasn't all that much to be excited about. there was no lebron james. there was no chris paul. there wasn't even a blake griffin...

yet ranadive's and d'allesandro's enthusiasm over ben mclemore seems out of proportion to his talent level. i don't want to make that sound like an unwarranted criticism, because, again, i do genuinely appreciate their early investment in revitalizing this franchise. but it does concern me a fair amount that we've seen their unbridled enthusiasm unleashed first over demarcus cousins, and then over ben mclemore. yet we've seen nothing of the sort with respect to tyreke evans. that may be for no other reason than the fact that evans is an RFA, and they've abstained from commenting on him too much because they have yet to enter into contract negotiations. but i remain concerned nonetheless, and i wish i could say that the drafting of ben mclemore did something to temper my anxiety...

now, the kings may very well have come away with the most talented player in this draft. however, even though mclemore has quite the jump shot, he still doesn't project out to be, say, steph curry, who was a superior ball handler, passer, and floor general upon entering the draft. really, we're looking at a klay thompson type in mclemore, which is hardly a bad thing. in my estimation, mclemore is representative of the kind of significant roleplayer this roster desperately needs. that said, he's also not the kinda guy you go "all in" for. he could become something special someday (as with many young players with any kind of ceiling whatsoever), but, as of this moment, he doesn't exactly have #2 written all over him. lemme put it this way: if the plan is to pair mclemore with tyreke evans in the backcourt, then i'm a very big fan of the pick. but, if the plan is to sacrifice tyreke at the altar of ben mclemore, who the new regime seems to believe in so much, despite how unproven he remains, and despite tyreke's proven level of production and undeniable ceiling, then i might just become sick to my stomach...

i've heard the "tyreke is not a PG!!!!!!!!!!!" nonsense repeated so thoroughly that i'd be half-tempted to believe it if i didn't know better, but here's the facts of the case: 'reke and mclemore are complementary to one another in style of play, which is precisely what i and a great many others have been clamoring for on this roster since demarcus cousins was drafted. the kings require pieces that fit together in a sensible way, and i rather like a team constructed with cousins, evans, and mclemore at it's core. it's a big, athletic, versatile backcourt. and you've got post play from DMC. you've got penetration from 'reke. you've got outside shooting from mclemore, and an athleticism that would be useful on the break. you've got defense from 'reke, and i hear that mclemore isn't entirely inept on that side of the floor, either. you've got ball-handling and passing from 'reke, and some passing from cousins, as well. find a way to bring in a SF who can also move the ball effectively, and it doesn't matter so much that tyreke is not the prototypical PG that a great many kings fans still desire, for some reason...

as with the kings of old, your ball movement would be by committee, rather than by virtue of a "traditional point." and yes, i fully recognize that these young players would never execute an offense as beautifully as that team did, but then again, they don't have to with a potentially-dominant big in cousins and an elite penetrator in evans, especially if malone's MO is to craft a defensively-disciplined team (of course, this remains to be seen, and i'm skeptical given the kings' apparent preference for guards in the '13 draft, despite being utterly overloaded in the backcourt)...

THis. it doesn't matter if you have a pure pg and a pure SG...it matters if you have a back court that meshes well together. Both Christie and Bibby had big flaws, but they complimented each other perfectly.... and togeter the Kings had a sweet backcourt. It is as simple (and terribly difficult!) as that.

It SEEMS like Reke and the rook might have complimentary talents, but they have to play together to see if it is true. My fingers are crossed.