possible SAC-UTAH Trade

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its kind of early to be thinking about trading who and for what but looking at how pitiful the frontcourt was... and westphal stressing that we dont have enough bigs.. but come now MAY with ZERO rebounds?! I know we lose our best starting player in this but we also cut noc big contract, also open up some cash to spend in the coming summer.. we could think about this trade probably after a few games if evans cant pan out at the PG role...

Kings Trade

Martin
Nocioni

Jazz trades

Harpring
Fesenko
Boozer


Kings line up:

Sergio Rodriguez/Beno
Evans/Garcia/Mason
Casspi/Greene/Harpring
Boozer/Thompson
Hawes/Fesenko

if boozer doesnt work we dont resign him.. with noc and martin's contract summing to around 16 mil. we can sign a big free agent................... or go cheap by signing 3 benos (3 mle) and a sean may combo

Jazz Line up

Williams/Price
Martin/Brewer
Kirlenko/Nocioni
Millsap
Okur/Koufos
 
Problem is it'll leave us without a starting point guard. And I'm not too high on the players we're getting
 
right now it might not work... but worst case scenario that tyreke doesnt pan out as that coveted point guard... lets say we do slightly better than last year's record.. for some strang reason we do get top pick.. then that would solve our point guard woes..

but... i just hope this may for center is just temporary
 
Yeah May at center just doesn't cut it. But right now I think we need backup worthy centers. Getting Boozer would hinder JT's development and Boozer will probably walk in the end so there's no point in building chemistry or whatever. And as good as Casspi looks, I think most people will agree that we shouldn't thrust him into the role of our only legit SF. By this I mean that Greene really hasn't shown he can do much and I personally hate harpring cos he's another violent nut. Starting Omri would be a good thing, but putting pressure on him as our true best SF (since Noc would be gone) would be detrimental IMO
 
mac said:
Yeah May at center just doesn't cut it. But right now I think we need backup worthy centers. Getting Boozer would hinder JT's development and Boozer will probably walk in the end so there's no point in building chemistry or whatever. And as good as Casspi looks, I think most people will agree that we shouldn't thrust him into the role of our only legit SF. By this I mean that Greene really hasn't shown he can do much and I personally hate harpring cos he's another violent nut. Starting Omri would be a good thing, but putting pressure on him as our true best SF (since Noc would be gone) would be detrimental IMO
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boozer walking at the end of the season could be beneficial for us... we get 12 mil plus harprings expiring to net us some free agents....
 
Hmm my personal stand is that we should wait another season (after next) before signing a big name free agent. Only problem is next year is the big year...
 
KMart23 said:
if we're trading martin for a 1 yr rental.. we might as well get their lottery pick (via new york) also.
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This would be a pretty dramatic move. Boozer is basicly a one year rental, unless undisputed man love takes place. Martin would be gone with no obvious long term replacement, unless the decision has been made that Evans proper position is at the two. I like Fesenko's potential and it would solve our backup center problem.

The major plus is the salary cap space we would gain. Boozer could, at least for this season, make up for most of the scoring we would lose with Martin, and we would gain in the rebound dept. I don't necessarily see the move being detrimental to Thompson's progress. You could put him on the floor with Boozer and still bring Hawes off the bench along with Fesenko. Hell, Hawes plays more like a PF most of the time anyway.

The advantage of this trade goes to Utah. They're getting two good players that can step in and contribute right now, and they're giving up a big man with potential and Boozer who they didn't want in the first place. However economicaly, they're taking on long term contracts, and they may not be willing to do that. I don't know.. I have mixed emotions about it..:confused:
 
Boozer is all about money and would not want to play here. People are way to high on this Fesenko kid. I'm sorry but I'm not trading our best player for expirings or draft picks just yet. Makes no sense.

I seriously would like to be on the winning end of a trade again.
 
Not the right deal. There's no way we're using Martin as bait to take Nocioni's contract off our hands, and Martin isn't the type of player we should just give away for expiring contracts anyway. It should be a smaller trade--a scrub, a draft pick or something, for Fesenko, who probably won't be guaranteed minutes this season playing behind Boozer, Okur, Millsap, and Koufos.
 
Merdiesel said:
Boozer is all about money and would not want to play here. People are way to high on this Fesenko kid. I'm sorry but I'm not trading our best player for expirings or draft picks just yet. Makes no sense.

I seriously would like to be on the winning end of a trade again.
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You and me both.
 
Also, try not to put the word "possible" in the title if its just your personal idea. It gives people the assumption that there actually are trade talks going on between teams.
 
No way. First off, I don't want tyreke starting a sg until he improves his jumper, and I don't want a beno/sergio pg rotation. I don't want Boozer on a 1 yr deal, because it will hurt the development of JT and Hawes. We have to find out what we have with these guys.

However, I do want fesenko, and wanted him all offseason. But I am not willing to give up Noc for him, and definately would not include kevin in this trade. We can do better...
 
Can't imagine Jerry Sloan wanting Kevin Martin, a girlie man in the eyes of a Sloan-type. He prefers tough guys who play defense. Does that sound like K-Mart? Trade is off!
 
I don't like it much. Never been a huge Boozer fan, he just never seemed like a legit star to me. Also he doesn't play defense and we have to pay him at the end of the year or lose Kevin for nothing. If I were going to be dealing with the Jazz, I would offer:

Kings send:
Martin
Nocioni

Jazz send:
NY 2010 first rounder
Kirilenko
Brewer
Filler


It's absolutely a gamble, but the gamble is mitigated by Brewer, who is a solid replacement shooting guard for Kevin this year (is young,can play defense, handles ok, is athletic). It gives us two high lotto picks next year (which is a year where there might be more than one franchise quality guy), and AK47 gives us the same 3/4 flexibility that Noc does, except he leans more towards being a 4 which is great since we're short on size.

For the Jazz, it gives them arguably the best starting five in the NBA along with Noc as a legit 6th man.
 
ovrush said:
I don't like it much. Never been a huge Boozer fan, he just never seemed like a legit star to me. Also he doesn't play defense and we have to pay him at the end of the year or lose Kevin for nothing. If I were going to be dealing with the Jazz, I would offer:

Kings send:
Martin
Nocioni

Jazz send:
NY 2010 first rounder
Kirilenko
Brewer
Filler


It's absolutely a gamble, but the gamble is mitigated by Brewer, who is a solid replacement shooting guard for Kevin this year (is young,can play defense, handles ok, is athletic). It gives us two high lotto picks next year (which is a year where there might be more than one franchise quality guy), and AK47 gives us the same 3/4 flexibility that Noc does, except he leans more towards being a 4 which is great since we're short on size.

For the Jazz, it gives them arguably the best starting five in the NBA along with Noc as a legit 6th man.
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That's a much better thought out trade (with apoliges to the OP). Of course like any trade involving Kevin for less than a star, bit nervewracking, but there is a clear path to how it works out for us,as well as a buil in fallback (Brewer).

Of course, would agree with the poster above about Sloan's reaction to Kevin, so who knows if the Jazz would even be interested, despite the addition of another star for them.
 
ovrush said:
I don't like it much. Never been a huge Boozer fan, he just never seemed like a legit star to me. Also he doesn't play defense and we have to pay him at the end of the year or lose Kevin for nothing. If I were going to be dealing with the Jazz, I would offer:

Kings send:
Martin
Nocioni

Jazz send:
NY 2010 first rounder
Kirilenko
Brewer
Filler


It's absolutely a gamble, but the gamble is mitigated by Brewer, who is a solid replacement shooting guard for Kevin this year (is young,can play defense, handles ok, is athletic). It gives us two high lotto picks next year (which is a year where there might be more than one franchise quality guy), and AK47 gives us the same 3/4 flexibility that Noc does, except he leans more towards being a 4 which is great since we're short on size.

For the Jazz, it gives them arguably the best starting five in the NBA along with Noc as a legit 6th man.
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thats a great idea. Two lottery picks in a deep draft would be awesome. AK47 was great when he was the best player for Jazz so maybe he can bring that intensity again for us.
 
I really want to see what a Martin/Evans backcourt can become. I think they have the potential to be a top 5 backcourt in 3-4 years, if Tyreke turns out to be the allstar caliber player which I think he will. Kevin still has some work to do on his defense, but he has been playing with more energy on that end of the court so far this season.

The only players I would list as untouchable out of our frontcourt are JT and Omri. Anyone else I would include in a trade if it was a trade worth doing. We also have Kenny's expiring.

My point is that we have enough options to get talent without trading evans, martin, omri, and jt. I'm not saying that we should reject every single trade offer including those players, but we would have to get something real good in return.
 
rainmaker said:
I really want to see what a Martin/Evans backcourt can become. I think they have the potential to be a top 5 backcourt in 3-4 years, if Tyreke turns out to be the allstar caliber player which I think he will. Kevin still has some work to do on his defense, but he has been playing with more energy on that end of the court so far this season.

The only players I would list as untouchable out of our frontcourt are JT and Omri. Anyone else I would include in a trade if it was a trade worth doing. We also have Kenny's expiring.

My point is that we have enough options to get talent without trading evans, martin, omri, and jt. I'm not saying that we should reject every single trade offer including those players, but we would have to get something real good in return.
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A second Top 10 pick next year would be something pretty good. Not to mention Brewer, who is a very solid young OG. And then that Kirlenko guy. Not saying storm the castle if Geoff doesn;t do it. But its a trade which covers all those bases.

As an aside, in 5 years Kevin will be 32, which is of some concern for a quickness based player wiht injury issues. Time flies, no?
 
Bricklayer said:
A second Top 10 pick next year would be something pretty good. Not to mention Brewer, who is a very solid young OG. And then that Kirlenko guy. Not saying storm the castle if Geoff doesn;t do it. But its a trade which covers all those bases.

As an aside, in 5 years Kevin will be 32, which is of some concern for a quickness based player wiht injury issues. Time flies, no?
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I would do this trade. Nothing against Kevin, but, as I've pointed out in other threads, there could be the start of a trend with his injuries. And the truth is, all Kevin brings to the table is 20 some odd points every night. Yeah, and I know he says he's going to improve his defense, and I believe that he'll try. But if his body is having a hard time staying healthy with a surpreme effort on offense, what will happen when he does the same thing on defense. And how will that effect his offense, especially in the fourth quarter when he'll be needed most.

All just stupid speculation on my part. But the deal is, that we really don't need Nocioni and he's not a part of the future. So if you look at the big picture, and what this trade would bring you, I think its a gamble worth taking. Kirilenko would probably welcome a change of scenery, and be recharged. Besides, my wife has always had a fascination for Lurch, which she calls him affectionally. Next years draft looks deep, and possibly loaded at the top. But its too early to make that call yet. I'd still love to pry Fesenko from them, but you never get everything you want.
 
Bricklayer said:
That's a much better thought out trade (with apoliges to the OP). Of course like any trade involving Kevin for less than a star, bit nervewracking, but there is a clear path to how it works out for us,as well as a buil in fallback (Brewer).

Of course, would agree with the poster above about Sloan's reaction to Kevin, so who knows if the Jazz would even be interested, despite the addition of another star for them.
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I also like the Kirilenko trade better. Although, I disagree about Martin being soft. He may play soft on defense, but an 185lb guy who attacks the paint on legs that look like chop sticks, isn't the type of guy that I would accuse of being soft mentally. He might not beat up on other SG's, but handing out hard fouls isn't the only criteria for being tough.
 
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