Possible Blockbuster?
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Double E
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Somebody needs to lay off the extra-curricular substances.piksi said:
People like AI, LeBron, T-Mac are not superstars? Please. I can see you do not like this trade idea (Peja being your boy and all), but you do not need to argue with foolishness.
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SacTownKid
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I wonder if this trade includes.........Gary Payton!!!! I doubt this is for real.
SacTownKid
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Apparently Bobby and Peja for Paul Pierce works.
SacTownKid
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Yeah what is the deal with the draft picks? Does it have to do with the baseline salary locked along with the draft number?
On realgm.com the Bobby/Peja for Pierce trade worked.
On realgm.com the Bobby/Peja for Pierce trade worked.
Ryle
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Heuge said:
I don't think so considering you can't really put a price on them. They are normally used just to get someone to take a deal. In order to get Songaila we had to trade something so we gave Boston 2 2nd round picks. I think we also got 2 second round picks when we traded Keon to Utah.
SacTownKid
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Your right, it was the one I did involving another team that worked. The trade exception would match it up?
Bricklayer
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Bobby/Peja for Pierce does not work on RealGm -- you have to throw in Darius to make it work.
Anyway, a few notes:
1) Really almost no way we could ge back both Pierce AND Harrington -- not about whether Geoff can steal them from the other teams, just a question of salaries. Very hard to do. Pierce himself is very hard to get back because he earns so much more than Peja. Pierce and Harrington = very tough. In order to get up to that level of salaries we would have to trade Peja, Bobby, Ostertag, Darius AND Barnes. Actually might be worth it to land both those studs. But given that Harrington fled Indiana just to go be a starter and goto guy, hard to see him be willing to be a 6th man. And of course Pierce wouldn't. So it would have to be Pierce/Harrington both starting and Mobley becoming our new Bobby. Actually that doesn't look bad at all on paper.
2) Walker is an ending contract. Makes him valuable to a team trying to clear cap room and start over. Bobby is also effectively an ending contract, makes him valuable for the same reason. If one of the teams involved just wanted to get rid of contracts and start over, those sorts of players have value.
3) Mobley cannot be traded in a megadeal right now, nor can House or Bradley. They are all restricted because we recently traded for them/picked them up. Can only be traded alone, not with other players. And I think that restriction will last until after the trade deadline this year.
4) Pierce is not as good a shooter as Peja, but he's better at pretty much everything else and far more versatile. Think Peja's defense has been at least as solid these last few years, but when he was still focusing on it a few years ago Pierce was a very strong defender, better than Peja in fact in that he was a disruptive ballhawk and shotblocker (yes, shotblocker). I still like Pierce better as an OG since he gives an overwhelming size/strength/rebounding advantage there, but even so he plays a "bigger" game than Peja. The ball domination argument is a solid one -- Pierce would have to alter his role if he came here. Whether he did or not would probably entirely depend on what won out -- ego, or excitement about suddenly playing for a true contender. My bet is on the latter.
Anyway, a few notes:
1) Really almost no way we could ge back both Pierce AND Harrington -- not about whether Geoff can steal them from the other teams, just a question of salaries. Very hard to do. Pierce himself is very hard to get back because he earns so much more than Peja. Pierce and Harrington = very tough. In order to get up to that level of salaries we would have to trade Peja, Bobby, Ostertag, Darius AND Barnes. Actually might be worth it to land both those studs. But given that Harrington fled Indiana just to go be a starter and goto guy, hard to see him be willing to be a 6th man. And of course Pierce wouldn't. So it would have to be Pierce/Harrington both starting and Mobley becoming our new Bobby. Actually that doesn't look bad at all on paper.
2) Walker is an ending contract. Makes him valuable to a team trying to clear cap room and start over. Bobby is also effectively an ending contract, makes him valuable for the same reason. If one of the teams involved just wanted to get rid of contracts and start over, those sorts of players have value.
3) Mobley cannot be traded in a megadeal right now, nor can House or Bradley. They are all restricted because we recently traded for them/picked them up. Can only be traded alone, not with other players. And I think that restriction will last until after the trade deadline this year.
4) Pierce is not as good a shooter as Peja, but he's better at pretty much everything else and far more versatile. Think Peja's defense has been at least as solid these last few years, but when he was still focusing on it a few years ago Pierce was a very strong defender, better than Peja in fact in that he was a disruptive ballhawk and shotblocker (yes, shotblocker). I still like Pierce better as an OG since he gives an overwhelming size/strength/rebounding advantage there, but even so he plays a "bigger" game than Peja. The ball domination argument is a solid one -- Pierce would have to alter his role if he came here. Whether he did or not would probably entirely depend on what won out -- ego, or excitement about suddenly playing for a true contender. My bet is on the latter.
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BigWaxer
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I woke up this morning caught this thread and have been waiting for the news all day in excitement. LOL okay not that excited, it was more hope.
I love Peja but I think Pierce would give us so much more for all the reason Brick listed above and more.
Either way when the Mobley trade went down I said I had MENS ESP and thought that GP wasn't done yet.
I love Peja but I think Pierce would give us so much more for all the reason Brick listed above and more.
Either way when the Mobley trade went down I said I had MENS ESP and thought that GP wasn't done yet.
Rockmeister
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I would never trade Webber for Walker.
Bballkingsrock
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Rockmeister said:
Same here 100%!
LPKingsFan
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Bricklayer said:Bobby/Peja for Pierce does not work on RealGm -- you have to throw in Darius to make it work.
Anyway, a few notes:
1) Really almost no way we could ge back both Pierce AND Harrington -- not about whether Geoff can steal them from the other teams, just a question of salaries. Very hard to do. Pierce himself is very hard to get back because he earns so much more than Peja. Pierce and Harrington = very tough. In order to get up to that level of salaries we would have to trade Peja, Bobby, Ostertag, Darius AND Barnes. Actually might be worth it to land both those studs. But given that Harrington fled Indiana just to go be a starter and goto guy, hard to see him be willing to be a 6th man. And of course Pierce wouldn't. So it would have to be Pierce/Harrington both starting and Mobley becoming our new Bobby. Actually that doesn't look bad at all on paper.
2) Walker is an ending contract. Makes him valuable to a team trying to clear cap room and start over. Bobby is also effectively an ending contract, makes him valuable for the same reason. If one of the teams involved just wanted to get rid of contracts and start over, those sorts of players have value.
3) Mobley cannot be traded in a megadeal right now, nor can House or Bradley. They are all restricted because we recently traded for them/picked them up. Can only be traded alone, not with other players. And I think that restriction will last until after the trade deadline this year.
4) Pierce is not as good a shooter as Peja, but he's better at pretty much everything else and far more versatile. Think Peja's defense has been at least as solid these last few years, but when he was still focusing on it a few years ago Pierce was a very strong defender, better than Peja in fact in that he was a disruptive ballhawk and shotblocker (yes, shotblocker). I still like Pierce better as an OG since he gives an overwhelming size/strength/rebounding advantage there, but even so he plays a "bigger" game than Peja. The ball domination argument is a solid one -- Pierce would have to alter his role if he came here. Whether he did or not would probably entirely depend on what won out -- ego, or excitement about suddenly playing for a true contender. My bet is on the latter.
Miller/Bradley?
Webb/Harrington/Bradley?
Harrington/Evans
Pierce/Mobley/Martin
Bibby/Mobley
Big men are questionable, with Harrington swinging over to PF behind Webb. But havent we always said there's not all that much time behind Webb and Miller anyways? Guard wise, however, we would smash people.
bozzwell
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This sounds like a rumour based on some facts. Like something respective GM's would like to or would consider to do but it is just too complicated and it would require another team or two threading water.
Peeking over at Celtic Nation's forum's shows that trading Pierce is certainly a lively subject of conversation. Pierce is like T-Mac in as much that both had a monster sesons 2 and 3 years ago respectively and henceforth settled into very good but not great players. Ditto Pedja (let's be honest, he stepped up last regular season to be No 2. scorer in the league, but nowadays...)
Peeking over at Celtic Nation's forum's shows that trading Pierce is certainly a lively subject of conversation. Pierce is like T-Mac in as much that both had a monster sesons 2 and 3 years ago respectively and henceforth settled into very good but not great players. Ditto Pedja (let's be honest, he stepped up last regular season to be No 2. scorer in the league, but nowadays...)
It's great to have something to talk about, but it is even better to know that we have a team right now that can step up and win games when one of our key players is missing. Be it Webb or Peja, the team is able to win games (I am not bothered by losses to Spurs, the blowout was just an off night and yesterday could have gone either way - I don't think they totaly outplayed us).
If any trade happens, great as long as we get better as a team, but I personally think that we have a great bunch of starters (and our bench is slowely but surely proving it self strong and worthy). Losing Vlade and DC changed the team enough and for now I would really love to see this group of players try and win it all.
Go Kings!
If any trade happens, great as long as we get better as a team, but I personally think that we have a great bunch of starters (and our bench is slowely but surely proving it self strong and worthy). Losing Vlade and DC changed the team enough and for now I would really love to see this group of players try and win it all.
Go Kings!
I prefer Peja. I'm leary of expensive, big scorers that bad teams are built around. I don't want Boston to reload by unloading Pierce and raiding our cookie cupboard. I'd have gambled on Shaq -- but Paul Pierce who I don't know for Peja who I know and love -- forget it. But Doug for Mobley was a great move -- despite the cat's lack of coolness at times.
Padrino
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exGrizzly said:
well....paul pierce is one of the most prolific scorers in the nba. peja is without a doubt the greatest shooter, but paul pierce knows how to score the ball in may many ways. this is a tough call to make, but i'd have to say i'm a proponent of this possibility. but i'm curious as to why you'd be worried about boston "reloading." its not as if theyre in our division, much less our conference. and theyve already proven that they can't win with a one-man show.
Circa_1985_Fan
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wow, I dont come on here for a week, and you're actually discussing THIS?? um...last I checked Peja still had a year and a half on his contract and has had an attitude change since the start of the season when Vlade left. Um...until I hear some actual names, i wont believe any of this garbage. Whats the next little rumor we're going to hear, oh wait, Phoenix is reported to be shopping Joe Johnson, a relieable source that will go unmentioned said the Kings wanted to deal for him REAL soon. There, I started my own rumor
I'm not so much worried about Boston "reloading" (who cares about the Celtics?) so much as them taking away Peja, our young players and whatever payroll flexibility we have. Peja, despite his limitations, is extremely valuable to us. When he's on, he's just very efficient. If Paul Pierce were that "missing piece" then I'd be all for the trade, but who's to say he is. Taking on a bad contract or building around the wrong player can cripple a franchise. But maybe Danny Ainge doesn't know what he has in Pierce and Petrie is working his usual magic.
btw, personally, I think any trade that takes on more payroll aint gonna happen. The Maloofs are definitely into cost-cutting (maybe we just get 'Toine and his expiring contract).
btw, personally, I think any trade that takes on more payroll aint gonna happen. The Maloofs are definitely into cost-cutting (maybe we just get 'Toine and his expiring contract).
Bricklayer
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exGrizzly said:
There are arguments for not making such a move (even if its there), but payroll isn't one of them. Because of the cap, any trade we make has to bring back roughly as much salary as we send out. The only difference is that the guys we got back might have more years left on their deals. But when you are talking about young star level players, more years is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing. Means the team stays together until you decided to trade somebody rather than having to risk losing them in free agency.
In any case, we are going to have to pay Peja and Bobby or lose them anyway, so a move like this is no different from just having given those guys extensions. Except Pierce being better than Peja, and Harrington (not my favorite player) being younger and bigger than Bobby.
KP
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I'm not 100% sure that if Pierce was on this team (with this much more talent) that his numbers wouldn't drop off a little. Harrington is a really good player... I'm not saying I wouldn't do it... At this point I'm taking anything Petrie does as gospel anyway, we'll just have to wait and see.Bricklayer said:
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