Possible Blockbuster?

[VF21]

Interesting point. I don't think even Ainge will trade one active player for one out for the season and the other with back problems. If GP could pull that off, I'm starting the collection for the big statue to be erected in front of Arco in his honor.

 

[piksi]

Uh oh, Ford says the one person the Celtics WON'T trade is Pierce? ...

Hmmm.

VF21 waves buh-bye to Pedja.

we might be in deep trouble here.

 

[piksi]

Interesting point. I don't think even Ainge will trade one active player for one out for the season and the other with back problems. If GP could pull that off, I'm starting the collection for the big statue to be erected in front of Arco in his honor.

With all due respect here - You are saying that there is a trade Ainge would not do it ?

Come on now

 

[Geoff]

Look.....I have been a "lurker" on this board for a long time. I have limited posts because typically I'm not interested in engaging in this sort of thing. I' just felt that because of the source of this rumor I would share it......and as I've said......I'm not sure I buy it either.....

But you're probably right BLNINJA.......I should be banned immediately.....that makes sense

Don't take it personal. I mean, all we have to go on is your word, and we don't know who the heck you are so you have to expect some skeptism. Time will tell if you're on the up and up or are just stirring up trouble.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I actually think that Ainge would be interested in BJax only because he COULD come off the books after the season (team option). Atlanta did the same thing with Terrell Brandon some time ago when he was injured, but they still traded for him only because his contract would come off the books at the end of the season. Ainge wants cap room and BJax would give it to him.

 

[Rowdyone]

If this is legit than I'm tickled to death since I was an early proponent of acquiring Pierce after last year's playoff exit ( and Ainges' ascendency to Celtics GM). I hate to see a likeable person like Peja go but in my mind he'll never be a #1 option on offense and we can all agree that he has defensive and rebounding limitations (although both have improved, especially defensively in the last couple of years). My mind races forward to how Pierce and Harrington would be used and I get stuck at the SF spot since Pierce can play both but I have to assume our lineup would be;

Webber
Miller
Pierce
Mobley
Bibby

This would leave Harrington,Tag, Darius, Evans and Martin coming off the bench?

 

[Heuge]

If this is legit than I'm tickled to death since I was an early proponent of acquiring Pierce after last year's playoff exit ( and Ainges' ascendency to Celtics GM). I hate to see a likeable person like Peja go but in my mind he'll never be a #1 option on offense and we can all agree that he has defensive and rebounding limitations (although both have improved, especially defensively in the last couple of years). My mind races forward to how Pierce and Harrington would be used and I get stuck at the SF spot since Pierce can play both but I have to assume our lineup would be;

Webber
Miller
Pierce
Mobley
Bibby

This would leave Harrington,Tag, Darius, Evans and Martin coming off the bench?

In this rumor Harrington could not come here.

 

[WalMatt23]

Okay guys.....here's what I heard this morning. There is a possible big trade coming down between 3 or 4 teams. Peja, Daniels and Barnes are involved. Paul Pierce, Al Harrington and Antoine Walker are involved. Also mentioned was the Bulls. I'm not sure of the exact structure of the deal, but it sounds like we get Pierce and Harrington.

We would have to give up more than just Peja's contract in order to bring back both Pierce and Harrington. Pierce is getting around $12.5 million & Harrington is getting around $6 million. Even to get just Pierce we would have to give up more than Peja ($7 million), Daniels ($380k) , and Barnes ($620k).

Interesting, though, the contract numbers for Pierce and Harrington add up closeto Webb's contract. (sorry, had to say it)

 

[piksi]

If this is legit than I'm tickled to death since I was an early proponent of acquiring Pierce after last year's playoff exit ( and Ainges' ascendency to Celtics GM). I hate to see a likeable person like Peja go but in my mind he'll never be a #1 option on offense and we can all agree that he has defensive and rebounding limitations (although both have improved, especially defensively in the last couple of years). My mind races forward to how Pierce and Harrington would be used and I get stuck at the SF spot since Pierce can play both but I have to assume our lineup would be;

Webber
Miller
Pierce
Mobley
Bibby

This would leave Harrington,Tag, Darius, Evans and Martin coming off the bench?

First of all Pedja for Pierce does not work straight especially not mit Harrington. No matter how You crunch the numbers - it does not work.
Second - Pedja was #1 option last season and it worked pretty well so correct statement would be - Pedja can not be the #1 option in a same team as Webber and Bibby. Guess what - Pierce can not either and while we are at it Pierce hase to dominate the ball to be effective. Pedja does not.
Third, Pedja is the best one on one defender Kings have. He held Pierce scoreless for a Half last game they played.
Finally - rebounding is a team issue. I have seen Pedja rebounding in the national team and in Kings uniform. There is a difference. Reasons are within the system and coaching. For example, WC 2002 semifinal - Pedja did not box out twice in the row in the 3rd period. Coach Pesic sat him down and did not play him for the rest of the game. Message was received.
Bottomline Pierce is not better player than Pedja - no matter how You put it.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I also have no idea how both Pierce and Harrington could land here considering their salaries, BUT if they did and the only key player we had to give up was Peja then I would be all for that. Harrington would provide the tall, super athletic player that the Kings have lacked for some time.

 

[piksi]

Interesting, though, the contract numbers for Pierce and Harrington add up closeto Webb's contract. (sorry, had to say it)

So we lose a big man for 2 smaller on whose position we have allready better player. We get worse in rebounding and get 2 for 1 volume shooters.
It is no secret that I would not teribbly mind seing Webber somwhere else but definitely not under these circumstances

 

[fishbowl72]

Bring on Paul Pierce. Why not get LaFrentz with him. Then trade Darius to get Pollard back. Talk to the Bulls about Bibby for Hinrich. Then next year draft Wayne Simien and Aaron Miles. Fire RA and hire Larry Brown. Then Brown can hire Roy Williams to be his assistant. Let's build an all-Jayhawk team around Ostertag.

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

The only thing that really sticks in my mind about this trade is the idiotic move in trading Harrington. I know Atlanta isn't the best run franchise in the NBA, but as it is, they have a highly youthful and potentially great core of Al Harrington, Josh Smith, and Josh Childress. To break that up now wouldn't be very smart in the least. I know Geoff is a genius when it comes to these things, but he'd have to turn into David Copperfield 2 in order to steal Pierce AND Al Harrington away for only one great player and 2 benchwarmers. I think something more plausible for both teams would be this (sorry if I'm adding fuel to the fire):

Boston receives:
Peja Stojakovic
Cuttino Mobley
Erik Daniels

Sacramento receives:
Paul Pierce
Walter McCarty

This trade works in my opinion because Mobley and Daniels (if I remember correctly) would come off the cap at the end of the year, giving the Celts their desired cap space. The Kings get their aggressive potential superstar and, in McCarty, get an expiring contract to use as trade bait in the offseason and beyond. Eh, just something I wanted to throw out there.

Edit: something just came to mind. What are the specifics on Mobley's trade situation? How long does he have to be with the team before he can be traded again? I now doubt that it's in time for the deadline, so....forgive me.

 

[Twix]

Al Harrington and Antoine Walker??? Hmm...no thanks. Especially Walker. :|

But Pierce I don't mind.

 

[Ryle]

So we lose a big man for 2 smaller on whose position we have allready better player. We get worse in rebounding and get 2 for 1 volume shooters.
It is no secret that I would not teribbly mind seing Webber somwhere else but definitely not under these circumstances

You could also make the argument that Pierce is a better all around player than Peja. Although Peja is a better shooter Pierce has a better low post game and is definetely a better rebounder. I think each player is good but their games are completely different.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

The only way for Mobley to be traded so soon after he was traded to Sac is if he is not packaged with any other players. Sorry, it can't happen nor should it.

 

[piksi]

You could also make the argument that Pierce is a better all around player than Peja. Although Peja is a better shooter Pierce has a better low post game and is definetely a better rebounder. I think each player is good but there games are completely different.

My point exactly. 2 players on the team can not dominate the ball at the same time. Even if Pierce is a better allround player (which I disagree) - he will not be a firt option. Can he be effective with 13-15 shots per night shooting a low percentage ?

 

[ReinadelosReys]

1) I heard yesterday of this rumor and that it is just that, a rumor.

2) I find it hard to beleive that Petire would trade Peja, he's like his baby.

3) I really like Px2...but I don't know if its more than I like Peja.



....note to self: Life Goal # 324: Make up a rumor that leaves everyone up in arms

::evil grin::

 

[Heuge]

Bottomline Pierce is not better player than Pedja - no matter how You put it.

9 out of 10 people would disagree with you. I am one of the nine.

Pierce, as Pedja is, is a good defender. Pierce is a much better rebounder (and that has nothing to do with the coach), because he is tough. Pedja is soft. Pierce also is a big moment player. Pedja has a history of disappearing and missing shots when it matters the most. Pierce is clutch.

This is not to say I do not think Pedja is a great player. He is. Pierce is a superstar. He will figure out how to effectively contribute regardless of the amount of shots he gets.

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

There is an Insider article on ESPN.com regarding the Pacers wanting to trade Artest. I have a feeling that this may involve the Kings in "some" fashion. Wild guess? Anyway, if it's not against any rules on the board here (don't wanna get into trouble with anyone here), could someone with Insider access post a snippet of that article if it involves the Kings in any way?

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I don't necessarily buy into the notion that 2 players who dominate the ball cannot play together on a successful team. How many titles did Shaq and Kobe win together?

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Count me in as 1 of the 9 out of 10 that thinks Pierce is a better all around player than Peja. Pierce is routinely in the top 5 in steals and this year is averaging almost three more assists than Peja and almost three more rebounds per game than him. What would also be nice about Pierce is that he can has the ability to get to the basket whenever he wants and with Cat and Bibby on the permiter it would free up a ton of open looks.

 

[piksi]

9 out of 10 people would disagree with you. I am one of the nine.

Pierce, as Pedja is, is a good defender. Pierce is a much better rebounder (and that has nothing to do with the coach), because he is tough. Pedja is soft. Pierce also is a big moment player. Pedja has a history of disappearing and missing shots when it matters the most. Pierce is clutch.

This is not to say I do not think Pedja is a great player. He is. Pierce is a superstar.

Superstar

Boston is sub 0.500 team. They do not have a superstar.

Pierce is clutch

When You have the ball all the time couple of the shots will go in. If a person shoots 100 balls and hits 5 - and that makes him clutch - than I guess he is.

 

[Heuge]

There is an Insider article on ESPN.com regarding the Pacers wanting to trade Artest. I have a feeling that this may involve the Kings in "some" fashion. Wild guess? Anyway, if it's not against any rules on the board here (don't wanna get into trouble with anyone here), could someone with Insider access post a snippet of that article if it involves the Kings in any way?

I just read the article and there is no mention of Pedja in it (Thank God!), so it would not be appropiate to post it in this thread.

 

[piksi]

I don't necessarily buy into the notion that 2 players who dominate the ball cannot play together on a successful team. How many titles did Shaq and Kobe win together?

Because Shaq dominated the ball. When Kobe had enough - You see what happened. Additionally, they had P.J.

 

[Ryle]

Pierce gets to the free throw line a little over 8 times a game while Peja gets to the free throw line about 4 times a game. This means Pierce is aggressive going to the hoop and draws double teams and gets fouled.

As we all know to well when people are able to drive to the basket it creates opportunities for everyone.

Also, Pierce would automatically become our best(and some would say only) low post scorer.

 

[Ryle]

Superstar

Boston is sub 0.500 team. They do not have a superstar.

Pierce is clutch

When You have the ball all the time couple of the shots will go in. If a person shoots 100 balls and hits 5 - and that makes him clutch - than I guess he is.

Peja is shooting 15.7 shots a game and making about 44%
Piece is shooting 16.3 shots a game and making about 43%

I guess the only problem the Kings would have would be finding someone to take that 1/2 a shot from

Boston also sucks and they really have no one else to score on that team....they are in first in the Atlantic Division however.

As far as clutch goes.....a few years back when they almost beat Philly in the Eastern Conf. finals both Pierce and Antoine Walker carried that team.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Doesn't Pierce hold the record for most FT made in a playoff game?

 

[Heuge]

Boston is sub 0.500 team. They do not have a superstar.

So are you saying that T-Mac, LeBron James, AI, VC, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Amare Staudamire, are all not superstars because they played for a sub .500 team last year. Come on, let's take off the "I love Pedja glasses" and look at things objectively.

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

This is my justification for getting Pierce. The reason the Kings like Cuttino Mobley is because he is the type of player who is ready and willing to demand and take shots as the opportunities arise, unlike Peja, who couldn't demand a burger at McDonald's (I like Peja, but it's the truth). The problem with Mobley's mindset is the fact that he hasn't been hitting a lot of those shots at all in his stint with the Kings, which is frustrating when he continues to shoot instead of realizing they aren't going to fall and opting to adopt a pass-first mentality for a while. Now, imagine a player with Mobley's mindset: wanting the ball when he knows he should have it-- but here's the catch -- he makes those shots. A guy who can make plays for other teammates when given the chance. This guy's name is Paul Pierce. Over the years, I've gotten the feeling that he desires teammates to pass to, but he's never been given an adequate supporting cast that can hit shots when he passes to them. He's averaging a little over 4 assists so far this year, and is a bit below 4 over his career. I don't think the Kings would be anywhere near Minnesota's situation; one where most of the players have shoot-first mentalities and can only play with the ball in their hands. If Pierce had someone like Webber, Miller, Bibby, or Mobley to defer to in Boston, I do believe they would be a championship contender. I'd love for that to happen in Sacramento instead.