In the halfcourt Ron can go ISO a bit, but to say he's TOO selfish or can't pass is bogus. The guy can dribble, pass and shoot. He's not elite in any one of those categories, but he can do all 3 of those things very well. I disagree, I think he could play very well in the fastbreaking style the Suns play. He's strong enough to be able to match-up with PF and use his quickness to score. Matrix/Artest would be a very good tandem for the two forward spots and would complement each other well. Artest would also give them another post option in the PO's that they can rely on to score when those defenses tighten down.
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In the halfcourt Ron can go ISO a bit, but to say he's TOO selfish or can't pass is bogus. The guy can dribble, pass and shoot. He's not elite in any one of those categories, but he can do all 3 of those things very well. I disagree, I think he could play very well in the fastbreaking style the Suns play. He's strong enough to be able to match-up with PF and use his quickness to score. Matrix/Artest would be a very good tandem for the two forward spots and would complement each other well. Artest would also give them another post option in the PO's that they can rely on to score when those defenses tighten down.
PASS.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think too much danger of that coming back to bite us in the form of years of whoopings by the Lakers. Too big a risk for Kwame and a #16 pick or whatever.
Vlade4GM
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Yea, it was just something I was throwing out there since the OP mentioned the lakers.
The Kings needs to look at a three way deal with Utah that dumps Artest (and change) somewhere and nets Kirilenko. Kirilenko's stats were almost unbelievably bad this year, he complained about minutes and touches (no, not THOSE kind) and is supposed to be on the outs in Utah. He'll be 26 at the start of next season, which means he'll still be good if/when the Kings improve in three years.
Kirilenko almost single-handedly solves the Kings shotblocking problems, is a good passer and a better rebounder than anyone currently on the team. He's almost sure to get the ball on a team where Kevin Martin is the only other real offensive threat, assuming Bibby is gone. He's young and a high energy player, which is at least entertaining even if it doesn't translate into wins right away.
Kirilenko almost single-handedly solves the Kings shotblocking problems, is a good passer and a better rebounder than anyone currently on the team. He's almost sure to get the ball on a team where Kevin Martin is the only other real offensive threat, assuming Bibby is gone. He's young and a high energy player, which is at least entertaining even if it doesn't translate into wins right away.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
sounds good, only problem is getting ronnie to agree to go to no mans land (utah). i guarantee he will not resign there if he was traded.
nbrans
All-Star
Yeah, I really like this idea. I came up with an idea at the deadline that sent Salmons and Maggette to Utah, Artest to LA and Kirilenko to Sacramento, but supposedly LA wants to lock up Maggette. But something like that could be possible, keeping in mind that you'd probably need to net Utah both a shooting guard and a small forward.
What about this:
Knicks outgoing:
Jered Jeffries
Channing Frye
Knicks incoming:
Ron Artest
Utah outgoing:
Andre Kirilenko
Utah incoming:
Jered Jeffries
Channing Frye
John Salmons
Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest
John Salmons
Sacramento incoming:
Andre Kirilenko
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nbrans
All-Star
Here's another variation:
Minnesota outgoing:
Ricky Davis
Rashad McCants
Minnesota incoming:
Ron Artest
Utah outgoing:
Andre Kirilenko
Utah incoming:
Ricky Davis
Rashad McCants
John Salmons
Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest
John Salmons
Sacramento incoming:
Andre Kirilenko
I know Ricky Davis in Utah is a stretch, but he's the exact tyep of player they need, and he's an expiring so they can clear most of AK47's contract in one year. Salmons gives them a solid small forward.
Minnesota outgoing:
Ricky Davis
Rashad McCants
Minnesota incoming:
Ron Artest
Utah outgoing:
Andre Kirilenko
Utah incoming:
Ricky Davis
Rashad McCants
John Salmons
Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest
John Salmons
Sacramento incoming:
Andre Kirilenko
I know Ricky Davis in Utah is a stretch, but he's the exact tyep of player they need, and he's an expiring so they can clear most of AK47's contract in one year. Salmons gives them a solid small forward.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Do it.
Personally, I'd like to se him in a Kings uniform next season. Remember that he turned a losing team (like 7 games under 500) under Adelman to a team that made the playoffs. I really don't he's the Kings biggest problem in terms of winning. Artest has the desire to win, but it's a question of whether he plays the team game.
It would be hard get a good trade value out of him because he's being paid so little for the amount of skill he has. At the start of the season he was rated one of the top 10 underpaid players (by some group, I think SI). Yeah he does bring a lot of problems with him, but I'd rather take him over anyone else in the same salary bracket.
It would be hard get a good trade value out of him because he's being paid so little for the amount of skill he has. At the start of the season he was rated one of the top 10 underpaid players (by some group, I think SI). Yeah he does bring a lot of problems with him, but I'd rather take him over anyone else in the same salary bracket.
First, who really cares about getting "true" value for this guy? Any trade involving Artest is good value. He is absolute poison to a team that is rebuilding. Obviously, we don't want to just give the guy away, and definitely do not want to move him to the Lakers, but any trade that involves a pick and does not require a huge salary coming back is a good move. I think our best bet is to send him to the Knicks. Zeke loves him, and never, ever underestimate Isaih Thomas when he has contract security.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Any idea who that coach would be? The world doth wait with baited breath. We had a guy who got it out of him for a few months. But he's been a coach and franchise killer otherwise. Certainly the man your sig has been advocating for coach would look to be disaster in the making. And that's the problem with Ron. You simply cannot do a rebuilding plan with Ron at he heart of it because he's just not trustworthy. He's not normal. So you are stuck tryign to wildly hre coaches and implement whole systems to keep a nutter in line who may not stay in line anyway, and is not worth that kind of effort even if he does.
i have one idea. but he's too busy coaching the team that's gonna win the championship this year
Actually, he's cooling his heels in Portland right now.
The Hammer
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I say Heat. But who will they give up?
The Hammer
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And oh yeah of course could be the Knicks too, via Isaiah.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I think Knicks are the most likely and I would think that they would be the ones that offer us the most in return.
I'd do either this deal or the one involving the Clippers in a minute. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Kirilenko needs a change of scenery, will get back to where he was, if not better and would be a great addition to the Kings.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I think the Clips are out. I think the window of opportunity on the Magette deal is closed. Miami and NY seem the only viable teams. Miami has Shaq and Riley to keep him in line - if anyone can. Thomas with NY might *think* he can handle him, so he might be an opportunity. Basically, you have to find either some GM/owner that is either desperate or stupid or both. Sound familiar?
If minnesota can get Artest for pick/filler they HAVE to consider it. They'd be stupid not to.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I would actually agree with this. For the very same reason that combining KG and Artest on our end would be a gamble worht taking, combining Artest/KG on their end might well be their last best gasp at a ring run wiht KG. Same type of thing they did with Cassel and Spree, same thing Detroit did with Sheed and Webb. When you see devalued mega-talents out there, you have to take a good long look. Buying a talent of that level at full price is often impossible, or just prohibitive. If you get a chance to pull it off with very little damage to your current roster -- they would be hardpressed to make anywhere near that splash in any other way.
for those purposes, Minny deciding to keep KG might be our best hope of scoring a major piece (lottery pick) in return for Ron. For that lottery pick, this year, I would accept back almost any ole bad contract of theirs in return.
What about this one?
Minnesota Outgoing:
Ricky Davis
Trenton Hassel
Minnesota Incoming:
Ron Artest
SAR
Phoenix Outgoing:
Boris Diaw
Marcus Banks
Phoenix Incoming:
Ricky Davis
Trenton Hassel
Portland Outgoing:
Darius Miles
Fred Jones
#7 Pick
Portland Incoming:
Boris Diaw
Marcus Banks
Sacramento Outgoing:
Ron Artest
SAR
Sacramento Incoming:
Darius Miles
Fred Jones
#7 pick
Minnesota gets some help for KG in Artest and a nice backup in SAR. Phoenix gets both cap relief and better production in Davis and a good perimeter defender in Hassel and are able to move Banks in the process. Portland needs help at SF and Diaw would be a very good fit there, they get to unload Miles and the whole process costs them the 7 pick.
The big question for Sac here is if taking on Miles is worth the 7 pick. Maybe not playing for a year and having a change of scenery will help him grow up, in which case he is a pretty good player. I'd like to see Kenny in this deal instead of SAR, but its hard to make the salaries work.
Minnesota Outgoing:
Ricky Davis
Trenton Hassel
Minnesota Incoming:
Ron Artest
SAR
Phoenix Outgoing:
Boris Diaw
Marcus Banks
Phoenix Incoming:
Ricky Davis
Trenton Hassel
Portland Outgoing:
Darius Miles
Fred Jones
#7 Pick
Portland Incoming:
Boris Diaw
Marcus Banks
Sacramento Outgoing:
Ron Artest
SAR
Sacramento Incoming:
Darius Miles
Fred Jones
#7 pick
Minnesota gets some help for KG in Artest and a nice backup in SAR. Phoenix gets both cap relief and better production in Davis and a good perimeter defender in Hassel and are able to move Banks in the process. Portland needs help at SF and Diaw would be a very good fit there, they get to unload Miles and the whole process costs them the 7 pick.
The big question for Sac here is if taking on Miles is worth the 7 pick. Maybe not playing for a year and having a change of scenery will help him grow up, in which case he is a pretty good player. I'd like to see Kenny in this deal instead of SAR, but its hard to make the salaries work.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I am not in favour of getting back a bad contract unless we get rid of one bad contract ourselves.
If its a deal only for Artest, I would want and expiring (Davis) and their pick. Not sure Minny would do it. But if we did something like Artest and Thomas for Pick, James and one other bad contract then you would consider it.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Don't WANT the bad contract. But it would be worth it for another high lottery kid. Easily worth it in this draft. And hey, if they are willing to make it Ricky Davis (yuck) and his ender then better yet. But if its Marko Jaric or whoever that's hardly a deal breaker for me. You give me the #6, I'll take that contract to get it.
I concur. A bad contract will delay our splash into free agency, but the extra pick gives us a real boost on the youth movement AND lets us reach a little for position of need on one of those picks, probably the #7. If anything, that delayed entry to FA would benefit us, as we could watch the #7, #10 and Martin gel together, then fill in around the margins. Good call, Brick!
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