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I am, as many Kings fans a huge Chris Webber fan. But after reading the following article and the previous article on Webb in the Philadelphia newspapers, have have concluded it is going to be a very long season for him.


Stephen A. Smith | Sixers' Webber has a lot to prove

By Stephen A. Smith
Inquirer Columnist

Just days after he arrived in Philadelphia to thunderous cheers last year, Chris Webber stood stone-faced in the 76ers' locker room, seething with incredulity.

On that day, his face conveyed the feeling he expressed Tuesday: disbelief that so many had lost faith in him while he had not.

After all these months, after a summer spent pondering the muck and mire that were his last 21 games of the regular season in a Sixers uniform, the 6-foot-10, 245-pound forward still seemed as lost :eek: as he had appeared while playing for Jim O'Brien last season.

No one cares that he has averaged 21.8 points and 10.1 rebounds in his 12-year career. Or that his points-per-game numbers swelled to 19 in a five-game first-round series the Sixers lost to the Detroit Pistons in five games. What everyone is paying rapt attention to are two things:

How, precisely, will those statistics be attained this season?

And will it be to the detriment of Allen Iverson?

As the Sixers embark on another season, looking to do something other than watching most of the postseason with the rest of us, anyone with sense knows this season won't fall on the shoulders of new coach Maurice Cheeks or Iverson as much as Webber.

When last checked, Cheeks could coach a little bit and run when necessary, and he has physical obligations that entail no more than marching from his seat to a coaching box about 10 feet away. And Iverson, if nothing else, has earned enough cachet on the basketball court that there should be few questions about him.

Look at any game tape and you will see what the Sixers' primary concern should be.

It was Webber who consistently limped down the court. It was Webber who was slow, lacking lateral movement, almost incapable of competing athletically with the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace and Udonis Haslem. :(

All because of a left knee that never seemed fully healed.

Sources have told me that Webber says he has worked extremely hard this off-season, that he is raring and ready to go earn his exorbitant pay. Yet, reading and hearing about what he said Tuesday, sensing the ire that's fueling him right now, I can see that he just doesn't get one painful reality:

Even if he's hurt, he will get no sympathy in this town - purely because no one will believe he did what it took to get healthy.

"There's nothing I can say right now," Webber told reporters Tuesday. "The only thing I can do is play. Everything I say will be held against me. It's not anger or frustration. I'm just eager to get on the court and play. Everything else is just rhetoric. I can get up here and talk about how hard I work, but if you don't know me, that would just be talking."

I've got news for Webber: Here is the talk circulating around the NBA. This is from several scouts who have watched numerous Sixers games, especially the games with Webber in uniform.

"Webber's done," one scout for a Western Conference team said. "By that I mean athletically. On one leg, he can play better than most power forwards in this game. He's an exceptional passer. He can still rebound, too. But he can't do much against anyone who's athletic at his position.

"Guys run a lot now. They know he can't run with them because of his injuries. He doesn't jump with anyone anymore, and, with Iverson, Cheeks and Andre Iguodala, you know good and well they're going to run. We hear all this talk about how he's worked on getting healthy, but we've heard this before. For his sake, that had better be true. Because if it isn't, it's going to be a long season for him in Philadelphia."

I only have one thing to say about that:

Can I get an amen?

This Sixers team that fans have gained an affection for once more is far from championship caliber. But with Iverson still around, with Cheeks having something to prove, and the acquisition of Lee Nailon to go along with Samuel Dalembert, there's potential on this roster. Take away Miami, Indiana and Detroit, and there shouldn't be a single team the Sixers can't compete with in the Eastern Conference.

If Webber is ready, the Sixers could do more than that.

Ready to play, that is. Instead of leaving us lamenting that he can't.
 
There's nothing I can say right now," Webber told reporters Tuesday. "The only thing I can do is play. Everything I say will be held against me. It's not anger or frustration. I'm just eager to get on the court and play. Everything else is just rhetoric. I can get up here and talk about how hard I work, but if you don't know me, that would just be talking."

Apparently Smith is the one who doesn't get it.

Webber has learned the very hard way that no matter what he says, some media bozo will find a way to twist it, to make it look very uncomplimentary for Webber if at all possible.

If you look closely at Smith's article, the truth is there.

Sources have told me that Webber says he has worked extremely hard this off-season, that he is raring and ready to go earn his exorbitant pay. Yet, reading and hearing about what he said Tuesday, sensing the ire that's fueling him right now, I can see that he just doesn't get one painful reality...

I don't see any ire in Webber's comments. What I do see is someone - Smith - who has already passed judgment on Webber and is waiting with baited breath to skewer him at the first opportunity.

Quite frankly, Stephen A. Smith can go take a flying leap as far as I'm concerned.
 
^ I pretty much agree VF, I listened to that interview twice and they way it was interpreted was not my take on it at all. He was very frustrated last year because his performance dropped after he arrived in Philly and his numbers were not the same as they had been in Sac. He was thrust in new system in the middle of the season with coach that wouldn't even give him any minutes.
He and AI both say that they will have more time this year to work together and the results will be successful.
He has worked very hard in the offseason and although his knee will never be completely well, he doesn't invision himself hobbling down the court. He will never be as good as he was pre-injury but the month before the trade he was putting up double doubles and named player of the week, not bad for someone "on one leg".
He's looking forward to this season and proving a lot of people wrong. I, for one, believe he can do it.
 
Purple Reign said:
How, precisely, will those statistics be attained this season?

And will it be to the detriment of Allen Iverson?

Steven's real concern. If I was Iverson's wife, well a) I would have divorced the little **** for that ridiculous naked on the porch incident a couple of years back, but anyway, b) I would pull a Jackie Christie and ban Steven A. from any one on one time with my man because he's clearly sweet on him.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Steven's real concern. If I was Iverson's wife, well a) I would have divorced the little **** for that ridiculous naked on the porch incident a couple of years back, but anyway,

She's ghetto. That was probably no sweat off her brow.
 
What we can learn out of this is to check the author before reading an article.

As for Webber - he still has to put up with Iverson
 
What does "done" mean? Like gargy said, he can be a good second stringer for a few more years. But he's not getting younger.

I also think Stephen Smith is an idiot.
 
I think Steven Smith is secretly pleased that there is someone on the Philadelphia team he can blame for their failures. He'll be able to say something like, "It's just too bad that A.I. has to carry around the Webber baggage, because OBVIOUSLY he would have won the championship in ANY other situation!"

It must have been hard on him all these years, trying to simultaneously support the viewpoints that (1) you are nothing unless you have won championships and (2) Allen Iverson is the single most important person in the universe.
 
^^^Great post! Are we going to have to wait another year for your next one???

;)
 
Gargamel said:
Webber's not done, that's silly. At worst, he would make a very effective second-stringer.

haha yeah, you're going to bench a guy getting paid $19-20 mil a year? i think not

Webber can still put up massive numbers, but his knees are just too bad to keep up with the rest of the league.

Maybe after his huge contract is up, he could get signed by a team for much less and finally take the thought out of his head that he must start. Then, in all likelyhood, he'd be playing against the 2nd-string PF of his opponent, which he could probably keep up with.

If not, he might as well retire at the end of his current deal.
 
Chris Blasted Yesterday, Smiling Today!!!

Webber has plenty of reason to smile
Star forward is happy about training camp
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com


DURHAM, N.C. - The group interview with Chris Webber was rapidly turning into a curiosity, with the 76ers forward steadily moving backward, as if Cameron Indoor Stadium were a cruise ship sliding along a sequence of gentle waves.

Curious, because everything else that went on during yesterday's training-camp session seemed to be pushing Webber and everyone forward. Webber was relaxed, perhaps more so than at any time after arriving from Sacramento at last season's trade deadline. His signature smile was as bright as his hope for the coming season.

Go ahead, ask the obligatory questions: Does Webber's knee, surgically repaired roughly 2 years ago, seem sound? Do he and Allen Iverson, at least after several sessions on the court, appear comfortable and effective with each other?

"Did you see me smile like this last year?" Webber asked, again flashing his smile. "It's a great environment, man, a great atmosphere. I mean, I could not be happier right now."

Iverson did not address the media, but was upbeat in a chat session on the team's Web site, saying, "I think we can be one of the best 1-2 punches in the league."

The real hope has to be that this is more than lip service. Iverson and Webber are the only established veteran stars on a team that spent the offseason re-signing its young core, and adding young 7-footer Steven Hunter and 18-year-old second-round draft choice Louis Williams.

But coach Maurice Cheeks insists he is seeing what Iverson and Webber have been seeing.

"This was a good day... a lot of good things today," Cheeks said. "I hate to keep talking about Allen and Chris, but those two guys were especially good today. The way they were mixing together, that's one of the things we're trying to do here in camp, trying to get everyone used to playing with each other, particularly Chris and Allen and Andre [Iguodala] and Kyle [Korver] and everyone.

"You could see the mix of putting the ball in Chris' hands, and the things he can do getting guys easy shots. It just makes our offense so much better when you put the ball in his hands."

From the reporters' vantage point in the second level of the arena, Webber appeared to be running more freely than at any time during his 21 regular-season and five playoff games with the Sixers last season.

"One time he even rebounded the ball and pushed [it] up the floor," Cheeks said, laughing. "He had a turnover, but he still has that freedom to allow himself to run, to push the ball up the floor and bang on the block."

Cheeks sees opportunities all over the court as the players run, cut and spot up off Iverson's penetrations and Webber's skillful passing. All of this allows teammates to make themselves available on both the strong and weak sides.

"It's amazing when the ball is in Chris' hands the way the other people are cutting," Cheeks said. "I don't know if they remember Chris playing in Sacramento or what, but the movement you get when the ball is in Chris' hands is unbelievable. It's based upon knowing they can get a pass at any time. A lot of guys are touching the ball."

In the midst of this, Iverson has insisted on staying on the court as much as possible, directing the offense.

"He never wants to come out," Cheeks said. "If he doesn't want to come out in practice, in games he'll be a monster."

Cheeks & Co. will know significantly more about what they have after their first two preseason games, Tuesday against Houston in the Wachovia Center and Wednesday against defending champion San Antonio in Columbia, S.C. But for now, everyone seems encouraged.

"I'm very encouraged, very encouraged," Webber said. "It's been nothing but positive, nothing but hard work, and that's all you can ask right now. All I can say is, it feels great out here."

Webber eagerly agreed with one of Cheeks' theories - that a star player coming off an injury or returning after the offseason tends to play to prove he remains at that level.

"One-hundred-thousand percent," Webber said. "He's an ex-player, he knows. That's why I think the little edge has been there. [My plan is] to stay on myself, because you take pride in your skill, you take pride in your craft. That's why I said I couldn't be mad at anyone [after last season] because, at the end of the day, none of that matters. You put the weight on your own shoulders. You've got to ride with it.

"Allen and I are going to have to raise our game, because this isn't a veteran-laden team. If any sacrifice [is made], it'll be playing when you're tired, doing more. We have to lead these guys. Energy without experience isn't always the best combination. We have that combination of energy and experience, youth and experience. We're going to have to raise our level to make sure we're where we need to be."

Webber said Cheeks has "clearly outlined" the roles. The philosophy is, if the players aren't listening or responding, the coach will go to other players.

"So I admire what he's done and thank him for communicating and being a man first and a coach second," Webber said. "If you're a good man, then it's easy to be a good coach. He's told me what he wants out of me, and I'm just going to try and do it. Most of the things are things I've been doing."
 
Webb has a lot on his shoulders right now, and I hope he can come out strong & prove people wrong. Last season was just a horrible season for him, he said that the experience was so bad it was like the time out call times 100! Sad. Yeah, Webb will never be athletic as he was pre-injury, but he still is a great player & I hope that Mo Cheeks can work the offense to make the most of him.

Only time will tell!
 
I'm curious as to what kind of Jedi mind trick AI has pulled on Philadelphia in general, and Stephen Smith in particular. AI has never been able to co-exist w/ a fellow star player. Guys such as Stackhouse have been great pre-AI, great post-AI, but decidedly not great during their AI period. And this has been going on for a decade.

Having Cheeks will help Webber out, but things will break down again. Why should AI conform to a system that utilizes Webber's talents? It's a lose-lose for AI. If the Sixers win it'll be due to Webber and Cheeks, and if they lose it's because AI is not taking control enough. Or, he could pull his usual shenanigans, and when they lose, as they will, the entire city of Philly and Screamin' A will come crashing down around Webber for not helping AI/the size of his contract/his bad leg/his good citizenship.

I know it's water under the bridge, but this really makes me think of how much better it would have been if Petrie and the Maloofs had let things just play out. The current Kings aren't anymore of a championship contender than the old ones. We still could have pulled all our offseason moves, w/ the possible exception of the SAR signing, but that money could have been used on a guy like Reggie Evans. Christie and Webber's contracts would have been coming off the books shortly, as opposed to KT and Corliss. Well, anyway. . .
 
Stephen A. Loves to here himself speak. This is just one instance. Apparently he doesn't know a damn thing about Karl Malone who lacked athetism in his latter part of his career but still found other ways to win. Though he isnt in the same calibur as Mailman, CWebb has adapted and has done the same thing. Quite Frankly, Stephen A should stop being a dumbass
 
stevetaebo said:
Karl Malone who lacked athetism in his latter part of his career but still found other ways to win. Though he isnt in the same calibur as Mailman, CWebb has adapted and has done the same thing.
I agree with that. Only difference is Malone had time to slowly adjust mentally and physically from his prime to his twilight, while was violently fell out of his prime in his situation.
 
I am a big webber fan for what he did in sac, and just because one of his seasons he played for us didnt go well doesnt mean he is done.

After big injuries I have seen stars shine again, I hope it happens for webber!
 
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Webb.
 
ive said it before and ill say it again, all sports writers are jackasses! especially this one, he doesn't know who to root for or to hate because his big ego gets in the way just because he is on tv and has his own show.
 
They should make a reality show that follows the Sixers this year. How do Iverson's and Webber's egos fit in the same locker room?

I feel sorry for Mo Cheeks.
 
I love Webb but I have a real hard time feeling sorry for someone who is paid 18 million a year to play a game ;)
 
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