Poll: Wall or Turner ?

[Prince_XY]

Poll (5/2/10): Wall or Turner ?

If we get the #1 or #2 pick and the Kings is to decide ONLY between Wall and Turner, as fans who do you prefer at this point in time to help the Kings in 2010-2011 season?

Wall or Turner?

John Wall - 6' 4" point guard
Evan Turner - 6' 7" shooting guard

Please if we can, let us limit the discussion only between Wall and Turner. This is as if we are drafting ONLY ONE OF THE TWO without any option of trading down/up to get another player. I know some prefer to draft a defensive BIG, but if we get #1 or #2 pick it would be very hard to pass on Wall or Turner.

This Poll will close in 2 weeks ( 5/16/2010 ).

John Wall = Rose/Paul/Iverson/Parker etc.
Evan Turner = TMAC/Pippen/Roy/Christie etc.

I prefer Tmac... I mean Evan Turner.

 

[Bricklayer]

This poll is invalid without an Art Parakhouski option.

 

[mac]

Evan Turner.

Whenever Wall gets fouled in his first season the opposing player would have hit the rookie wall...

 

[Emma]

Evan Turner.

Whenever Wall gets fouled in his first season the opposing player would have hit the rookie wall...

Wait, in my mind that justifies a John Wall pick.


I like Turner for compatibility.

 

[John Galt]

Wall/Evans back court is a dream come true. After all the discussion threads about whether or not Evans is a "real pg", now there is an overwhelming majority who want to draft for position around the premise that we're set at pg?

 

[Emma]

Wall/Evans back court is a dream come true. After all the discussion threads about whether or not Evans is a "real pg", now there is an overwhelming majority who want to draft for position around the premise that we're set at pg?

This time it's not about position, it's about ball dominance. Evans and Wall are most effective with the ball in their hands, they can't both have the ball at the same time.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wall/Evans back court is a dream come true. After all the discussion threads about whether or not Evans is a "real pg", now there is an overwhelming majority who want to draft for position around the premise that we're set at pg?

It is quite obvious that Tyreke is either a PG or at the very least a ball dominant guard that makes a PG unnecessary and even in the way. There is nothing off the ball about his game, which is generally a good thing -- off the ball players are inherently inferior, by their very nature support players not stars.

And here comes John Wall, another player in a similar style (ball dominance wise). Messy. I do think the peopel pointing to the immaturity/youth angle here are potentially right -- maybe just maybe the two guys could step it back if they were two 29/30 year olds looking to team up to win a champinship after a decade of indivdual accolades. Gets harder when its two young bucks, quite possibly the two most talented players of their respective classes, superstar potential guys and now having to share not only a team, but a single backcourt. Its really tough to ask/have kids come in and be 100% about winning and sacrificing their own game and stuff when they have never had a chance to stretch their legs and see just how dominant they can be first. I think we would have to start to win, and win big, almost immediately to get a John Wall to be ok being a 17ppg second option or some such when superstardom has been prophesied for him since he was 16.

Is goign to be an interesting summer. If I were Geoff I might almost hope to be forced to pick second to take some of the heat off.

 

[Jespher]

Bobby Jackson said an interesting thing on the radio a couple weeks ago. He was being interviewed by Grant and Mike, and he said that he thinks the Kings just need a dominant wing player, 6'7"ish to really elevate their game. Could he be talking about Turner? He went on to say the young players were really making strides and the team was improving internally...

Since Bobby works for the front office now, it could indicate that they're leaning towards Evan Turner as a better fit, but by all indications, Geoffe is going to take the best overall talent on the board.

 

[Uncia03]

For all the reasons I've stated in other threads, (far better fit, not as large talent gap as people seem to think) I think that the team would benefit having Evan Turner in the backcourt next to Tyreke rather than John Wall.

 

[pshn80]

Isn't it true or realistic to believe that a team in our draft position is limited in it's options on selecting a player. For example, if we're first we will pick Wall, if we're second we pick Turner, if we're third or fourth we have to pick either Favors or Cousins, if we're fifth or sixth the above four will be gone and we then have some choices. Of course we need something to do while we're waiting for the ping pong balls.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Since this debate probably is only debatable IF Kings get #1 or possibly #2 pick I would imagine both Wall and Turner would have been worked out by all the top lottery teams before actual draft. Petrie and others in FO said it was Tyreke Evans' work out with the team that had most impact on taking him at #4 instead of Rubio or someone else.

I assume it will be same this year with a judgement made after they see both "prized" picks and a few others (Cousins, Favors, etc.) who they likewise would want to view up close at Kings practice facility while conducting a job interview before making their big selection.

So with all that, I have to vote undecided at this point.

 

[Chupacabra]

Now that i know how great Evans is and will be, id have to draft the more complimentary player. They both look excellent, but drafting Turner allows Evans to stay on his current path. I picked Turner.

 

[SacKings7]

I'd hate to be Petrie if we land the #1 pick. Wall's ceiling is much higher IMO, but Turner is the better fit next to Evans. With that being said, if we DO land the #1 (and maybe the #2) I see us trading down to #3 or #4 and getting another impact player/pick

 

[rainmaker]

Bobby Jackson said an interesting thing on the radio a couple weeks ago. He was being interviewed by Grant and Mike, and he said that he thinks the Kings just need a dominant wing player, 6'7"ish to really elevate their game. Could he be talking about Turner? He went on to say the young players were really making strides and the team was improving internally...

Since Bobby works for the front office now, it could indicate that they're leaning towards Evan Turner as a better fit, but by all indications, Geoffe is going to take the best overall talent on the board.

When Westphal was asked to describe the ideal player to pair with Tyreke in the backcourt, he also describes a tall, versatile, sg. It was almost an exact description of Turner. From the few public comments I've heard so far from members of the Kings organization, I have to think they're leaning towards Turner.

I agree with Brick, in that if I were Petire I would almost be hoping for the #2 pick. It would simplify everything, take some pressure off, and you know you're still getting a star. You get the #1, there is A LOT of pressure.

 

[Telemachus]

Isn't it true or realistic to believe that a team in our draft position is limited in it's options on selecting a player. For example, if we're first we will pick Wall, if we're second we pick Turner, if we're third or fourth we have to pick either Favors or Cousins, if we're fifth or sixth the above four will be gone and we then have some choices. Of course we need something to do while we're waiting for the ping pong balls.

I don't think it is a given that we draft Wall with the #1 pick. I would not be shocked if we took Turner. Turner is the better player (right now) and a better fit for the team. While I agree that Wall's upside is higher than Turner's, I am not sure how much higher it actually is. If the Kings feel like their ceilings are not that far apart, then I think they will take Turner.

 

[bajaden]

This poll is invalid without an Art Parakhouski option.

Damm! You beat me to it.

 

[Bart-Poland]

I hope so that Turner isn;t similar to K-Mart, but who knows?

 

[vikinginferno]

I hope so that Turner isn;t similar to K-Mart, but who knows?

Turner probably won't be a better shooter than Kmart but in every other category, he should be much better.

 

[bajaden]

Vince Lombardi once said, when asked about a players potential, " The word potential next to your name, means you haven't done anything yet." This is no way mean't to reflect on Wall. I think Players with potential fall into different catagories. And Wall is surely closer to the can't miss catagory..

 

[bajaden]

Oh, and no surprise. I voted for Turner. And I kind of agree with Bricky. It might be better if we get the second pick. Of course if that happens, then Minny will end up with the first pick and take Turner..

 

[dbfish]

I voted for Turner.but I really like Omar Samhan.

 

[bajaden]

Turner probably won't be a better shooter than Kmart but in every other category, he should be much better.

He may although shoot for a higher percentage overall. He's a great mid-range shooter and also, like Tyreke, is a very good finisher at the basket. He shot almost 52% from the floor overall, which is very good for a SG, and around 39% from 3pt range. However most of his three's were either wide open shots, or someone passed him the ball with a couple of ticks left on the clock. My point is that he didn't take many three's, but still shot a respectable percentage from there. He's a much stronger player than Martin and a very good rebounder for a SG.

 

[vikinginferno]

He may although shoot for a higher percentage overall. He's a great mid-range shooter and also, like Tyreke, is a very good finisher at the basket. He shot almost 52% from the floor overall, which is very good for a SG, and around 39% from 3pt range. However most of his three's were either wide open shots, or someone passed him the ball with a couple of ticks left on the clock. My point is that he didn't take many three's, but still shot a respectable percentage from there. He's a much stronger player than Martin and a very good rebounder for a SG.

My mistake, I meant a long range shooter.

 

[bajaden]

My mistake, I meant a long range shooter.

No problem. I knew what you mean't. I just thought I would elaborate a little. But your right about Turner being an better overall player.

 

[EHandel]

As I went to OSU, I saw probably 99% of Turner's games in college, and a majority of those live. Turner's game is really the exact opposite of KMart. KMart is a much better perimeter shooter, but Turner's probably better in every other aspect of the game. The main difference being that Turner is an excellent facilitator, not that I'm calling KMart a selfish player, but he doesn't have the court vision Turner does. Turner also, is a much better defensive player than Kevin could ever become. A lot of people compare Evan to Brandon Roy, but honestly I see a bigger, stronger Manu Ginobli minus Manu's outside shooting.

Living in Cincy, which is a huge Kentucky fanbase much more so that OSU, I got to see most of Wall's games on tv. Really if we get one of those two, Wall or Turner, we should be very happy fans. Both players are very unselfish and really put the team first. I just think Turner would compliment Tyreke and our current personnel a little better

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Heres some reasons why i want Turner and heres reason why I wouldnt mind Wall.

I think Turner could be an amazing fit beside evans because the opposing teams will have to keep their PG on evans which will alway be a mis-match in favor of Reke.

ET can relieve ball handling duties like beno does for reke.

ET and Reke will be a tenacious defensive backcourt to build off of.

ET will difer to reke.

ET can play and defend 3 positions.

From what i've seen Turner knows how to run the pick and roll pretty well and could probably actually teach reke a few lessons there.

We will most likely have the best rebounding backcourt in the NBA.

One of our other swingmen could be expandable possibly for a big if we get ET.

Our backcourt would be HUGE!

We would get to listen to Grant say "OHHHH ET just phoned home!!" after a big play



now for wall

Wall could force Evans to expand his game to another level (jumpshot, off ball movement)

Wall "probably" has more potential then ET

Walls trade value would be really high, he could net us more picks or a good player.

If he and Evans could fit together we would definitely have the best backcourt in the league.

We would have a great defensive backcourt.

Wall could share the PG spot with Evans. Hit them with wave after wave of PG attacks.

All in all I would rather have Turner. He just reminds me of Pippen/Christie so much. Reke could continue on his PG path and ET would fit perfectly beside him. I have a strong feeling Turner will be a King. When i saw him hit that 40 footer against Michigan I just had a feeling that he was gonna be a King one day.

Wall would be nice but lets be honest he probably wouldnt fit with Evans. Both are too ball dominant. Evans would have to move to SG and we would lose his PG mismatch. Wall may end up being better then ET but I think ET would be better then Wall on this team.
The only big plus i can see with getting Wall over ET is we could trade Wall for a pretty good player/picks prolly.

 

[bajaden]

Heres some reasons why i want Turner and heres reason why I wouldnt mind Wall.

I think Turner could be an amazing fit beside evans because the opposing teams will have to keep their PG on evans which will alway be a mis-match in favor of Reke.

ET can relieve ball handling duties like beno does for reke.

ET and Reke will be a tenacious defensive backcourt to build off of.

ET will difer to reke.

ET can play and defend 3 positions.

From what i've seen Turner knows how to run the pick and roll pretty well and could probably actually teach reke a few lessons there.

We will most likely have the best rebounding backcourt in the NBA.

One of our other swingmen could be expandable possibly for a big if we get ET.

Our backcourt would be HUGE!

We would get to listen to Grant say "OHHHH ET just phoned home!!" after a big play



now for wall

Wall could force Evans to expand his game to another level (jumpshot, off ball movement)

Wall "probably" has more potential then ET

Walls trade value would be really high, he could net us more picks or a good player.

If he and Evans could fit together we would definitely have the best backcourt in the league.

We would have a great defensive backcourt.

Wall could share the PG spot with Evans. Hit them with wave after wave of PG attacks.

All in all I would rather have Turner. He just reminds me of Pippen/Christie so much. Reke could continue on his PG path and ET would fit perfectly beside him. I have a strong feeling Turner will be a King. When i saw him hit that 40 footer against Michigan I just had a feeling that he was gonna be a King one day.

Wall would be nice but lets be honest he probably wouldnt fit with Evans. Both are too ball dominant. Evans would have to move to SG and we would lose his PG mismatch. Wall may end up being better then ET but I think ET would be better then Wall on this team.
The only big plus i can see with getting Wall over ET is we could trade Wall for a pretty good player/picks prolly.

I hope and pray, that just for once, were still having this discussion after May 18th.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

It is quite obvious that Tyreke is either a PG or at the very least a ball dominant guard that makes a PG unnecessary and even in the way. There is nothing off the ball about his game, which is generally a good thing -- off the ball players are inherently inferior, by their very nature support players not stars.

And here comes John Wall, another player in a similar style (ball dominance wise). Messy. I do think the peopel pointing to the immaturity/youth angle here are potentially right -- maybe just maybe the two guys could step it back if they were two 29/30 year olds looking to team up to win a champinship after a decade of indivdual accolades. Gets harder when its two young bucks, quite possibly the two most talented players of their respective classes, superstar potential guys and now having to share not only a team, but a single backcourt. Its really tough to ask/have kids come in and be 100% about winning and sacrificing their own game and stuff when they have never had a chance to stretch their legs and see just how dominant they can be first. I think we would have to start to win, and win big, almost immediately to get a John Wall to be ok being a 17ppg second option or some such when superstardom has been prophesied for him since he was 16.

Is goign to be an interesting summer. If I were Geoff I might almost hope to be forced to pick second to take some of the heat off.

I agree with most of this, but I'd still rather we get the number one pick than the the number two pick. When you draft, you take the best player available, no matter what. Even if it (Wall/Evans back court) doesn't work out, the lesser superstar is still a huge trade piece going forward. It would certainly be easier moving forward with the second pick, but I think it represents a significantly weaker hand. If Geoff feels that Turner is the better long term prospect, then buck conventional wisdom, man up, and take him first overall. In these type of situations, having the second overall pick is only a good thing in the way that you are judged by history, but it does absolutely nothing to help us win titles in the immediate future. If you want to win, you have to take some risks, we receive no tangible benefits picking second overall as opposed to first overall.

All that being said, I think the E-Squared back court (Evans/Evan) would be more conducive to long-term success.

 

[Gary]

Wall.. Best prospect in the country..

 

[fnordius]

I don't see a huge divide in terms of team dynamics. Wall is more raw, but younger and more athletic. Wall can play the 1 or 2, Turner can play the 1 also, but (due to size/speed considerations) is probably a better matchup at 2 or 3 versus most NBA teams. Both are at their best with the ball in their hands, but both are famous for being able to share it early, often and well.

Some think we don't need another combo guard, but we're also neck-deep in G/Fs. Some, like Cisco, may fade out as a part of the team future, but I'm not yet prepared to call Casspi or Greene failures. Anyone who we pick that isn't a defensive big will be redundant to some degree.

I agree that it will be a rough night for Geoff if he gets the #1 pick. #2 would be easier, and #3 would be a snap.

I want us to get the BPA. Right now I'm leaning towards thinking that might be Wall, due to my liking his intangibles and upside (not to mention the immediate boost to ticket sales I think his game would bring), but there haven't even been measurements or combines yet, let alone workouts, and my opinion may change. I'm hardly going to be upset if we get either one.

Geoff, please interview these guys and have them work out for us ASAP, okay? Get us the BPA!