Poll on PDA

[kupman]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

^hell no

 

[Warhawk]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

You imagine incorrectly.

 

[The Hammer]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

The dude was born in 1986. HE'S TWENTY EIGHT.

He doesn't know any better, which is why the FO can push whatever video game basketball ideas they want on him and he'll accept. The scenario you describe would be the absolute worst case.

 

[Spike]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

He is not an idiot.
He should be fired.
Give me a refund.

I think Pete is a smart guy with a certain point of view that, in fact, might be reasonable overall. But, it was a massive, fire-able, ****up to fire Michael Malone. I don't mean just the timing of it - I mean the very decision itself. If Vivek was impatient, Pete should have asked for patience on Malone's behalf. If Pete had little better wisdom, he would have seen that Malone was spinning gold out of straw and that they were on a trajectory to succeed together.

Pete flushed all that in one giant blunder - and now the only way for Vivek to recover the lost momentum on behalf of his co-owners, is to fire Pete, make Mullin the GM, and hire Karl as the coach.

And... I want a token partial refund of my STH money based on the brand-diluting fire sales that the Kings have been running on ticket prices the last few months.

But I don't hate Pete. I just think he should do the honorable thing and fall on his sword now. Mullin for GM. Karl for coach. And the fan base is won over anew.

b careful what you wish 4

 

[Glenn]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

No.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

Uh no.

That abomination of a "system" isn't even basketball. There are a number of possible results of that, absolutely none of which include me continuing to watch the Kings.

 

[VF21]

I watched it. He said he was recently talking with coach Corbin about how things are getting better in the locker room - basically doubling down on the "Ty is the coach" deal.
He was asked about trades and he said "my whole staff and I are working hard on it".

He honestly looked to me like an uncomfortable stressed out dude, but that was just my read from the video.

It was definitely NOT worth waiting up for - I'm sure the guys on the bus to the Warriors game got more info than the dumb Fox 40 reporter.

Just to clarify. It wasn't a reporter; it was a cameraman who was at the practice facility and happened to catch Pete and ask him a couple of questions.

 

[sdballer]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

Yeah but could he win the summer league title?

 

[Spike]

Uh no.

That abomination of a "system" isn't even basketball. There are a number of possible results of that, absolutely none of which include me continuing to watch the Kings.

Let's play this hypothetical out:
1. Arsenault takes over.
2. Game 1, or sooner, Cousins "injures" something. Gay is no longer, and changes his name to Metta World Pissed.
3. Opposing teams average 20 points over their season average (oh wait, isn't that happening? Make it 40).
4. Cousins is traded to the Spurs, who giggle uncontrollably. We get some draft picks.
5. PDA drafts 5 shooters in the first round. Sim is called up.
6. NBA teams score 50 above their average, team still loses games by 20.
7. Arsenault wears mock turtlenecks.

The End.
If we're going to raise hypotheticals, let's at least be accurate.

 

[rainmaker]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

Arseneault has Reno scoring 140 PPG. Awesome, right? Just blowing everyone off the court, right?

Nope.

That 140PPG, by far a D-League high has Reno at 10-14 and 13th out of 18 teams. And if that's not bad enough, the Reno DefRtg is worst in the league at 117. Funny enough, and this is a lesson for a few, our pace of 120.81 is far and away the highest in the D-League.

So we're putting up by far a league leading 140PPG! along with having by far the highest pace in the D-League, yet sit near the bottom of the standings with the worst defense in the league.

Don't bring that crap down I-80.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Arseneault has Reno scoring 140 PPG. Awesome, right? Just blowing everyone off the court, right?

Nope.

That 140PPG, by far a D-League high has Reno at 10-14 and 13th out of 18 teams. And if that's not bad enough, the Reno DefRtg is worst in the league at 117. Funny enough, and this is a lesson for a few, our pace of 120.81 is far and away the highest in the D-League.

So we're putting up by far a league leading 140PPG! along with having by far the highest pace in the D-League, yet sit near the bottom of the standings with the worst defense in the league.

Don't bring that crap down I-80.

Go to any inner city basketball court with some decent players trying to make street ball name for themselves. Same Renoesque run gun no defense frantic style is what you'll get except without the silly hockey-like line shifts. It might be fun to watch on occasion, if you don't know, don't really appreciate high level team b-ball, with fluid solid execution, not frantic mindless jacking every second, ridiculous zero defense junk.

 

[Livinthedream]

because of the tremendous and unnecessary disruption of progress it created, the league-wide ridicule it earned, the exodus of fans emptying out of sleep train arena it has resulted in, and the damage it may ultimately cause to the kings' longterm relationship with demarcus cousins. michael malone could have been fired during this last offseason, thus avoiding the unnecessary mid-season disruption and league-wide ridicule, or he could have been fired this upcoming offseason, thus avoiding the unnecessary mid-season disruption and league-wide ridicule. what is the compelling basketball argument for firing michael malone so early in the season, without an adequate replacement lined up (and no, i do not qualify tyrone corbin as an "adequate replacement")?

my suspicion is that PDA was intent on firing malone while he was able to do so. mike malone at 11-13 is much easier to fire than mike malone at 44-38, 41-41, or even 38-44 (if we want to be ungenerous and assume that the kings would have sustained their 11-13 pace under malone, even with a healthy demarcus cousins returning to the lineup). the more the kings improved on their win total from the last couple of seasons, the more the team continued to "buy in" to mike malone's system, the more they grew together as a team, and the more they backed their head coach, the harder it would be for the front office to justify firing malone, so PDA opportunistically took advantage of the stretch of losses the kings endured in the absence of demarcus cousins when viral meningitis struck...

for the record, i do not believe it is unfair at all to characterize pete d'alessandro's comments as "style above wins." in the wake of michael malone's firing, PDA has repeatedly emphasized that the direction malone was taking the team did not represent the identity that the front office desired for the team. they were not swayed by the results that malone was wringing from a fairly untalented roster (read: establishment of a new culture, team-oriented growth, defensive improvement, efficiency of the starting unit, and measurable gains in the win column); they cared more about their proposed "vision" or "identity" or "philosophy" for the team. so, until that "vision" or "identity" or "philosophy" results in at least the establishment of a new culture, team-oriented growth, defensive improvement, efficiency of the starting unit, and measurable gains in the win column, i will steadfastly argue that the kings' brass are best-characterized as "style above wins"...

Agreed. The plan was obviously to replace Malone at some point sooner than later. All the off season talk about " wins matter" was in preparation to fire Malone.

The FO knew Malone was popular with the players and fans. But PDA did not see eye to eye with him and worked behind the scenes to convince Vivek and anyone else that mattered that Malone was no longer needed and that his "style" was not sustainable. To circumvent the issue with Malone's popularity, PDA wanted a lead assistant who could be the head coach when they fired Malone for losing too many games (Gentry) to soften the blow. When Malone hired Corbin, PDA figured Corbin is good enough. We will stick to the plan. Unfortunately for PDA, Malone didn't lose games like he was supposed to.

Malone knew what was up, because PDA was laying the groundwork and criticizing Malone behind closed doors. That comment from Malone about not caring about analytics was not what got him fired. He was already fired at that point and he was letting the public know what was up before the axe fell and he had to be professionally silent.

So PDA was honest to an extent when he said Malone would have been fired no matter what. There was a plan. It was just a poorly designed and executed plan. Malone made it as hard as possible on PDA/Vivek on the way out.

 

[whozit]

Agreed. The plan was obviously to replace Malone at some point sooner than later. All the off season talk about " wins matter" was in preparation to fire Malone.

The FO knew Malone was popular with the players and fans. But PDA did not see eye to eye with him and worked behind the scenes to convince Vivek and anyone else that mattered that Malone was no longer needed and that his "style" was not sustainable. To circumvent the issue with Malone's popularity, PDA wanted a lead assistant who could be the head coach when they fired Malone for losing too many games (Gentry) to soften the blow. When Malone hired Corbin, PDA figured Corbin is good enough. We will stick to the plan. Unfortunately for PDA, Malone didn't lose games like he was supposed to.

Malone knew what was up, because PDA was laying the groundwork and criticizing Malone behind closed doors. That comment from Malone about not caring about analytics was not what got him fired. He was already fired at that point and he was letting the public know what was up before the axe fell and he had to be professionally silent.

So PDA was honest to an extent when he said Malone would have been fired no matter what. There was a plan. It was just a poorly designed and executed plan. Malone made it as hard as possible on PDA/Vivek on the way out.

You forgot to mention Mullin. He is more than a willing accomplish. PDA may just now be realizing Mullin may have his eyes on PDA's job.

 

[Chupacabra]

PDA "conceived the idea to fire Malone"? What exactly are you basing this on? There are plenty of things about PDA's tenure to take issue with without the need to pull 'facts' out of your ass.

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt there a report/rumor/tweet/some kind of information that indicated that PDA and Mullin flew out somewhere to speak with Vivek and that the purpose of this visit was to propose the idea of firing Malone? Thats where i get the info from. I never used the word "fact". I wouldn't pull anything out of my bum bum.

 

[FaStRmAn]

It's been few weeks since PDA infamous radio interview, so how you feel now Kings fans?

Too soon unfortunately. However the jet is taking a nose dive and is heading for the crater. And at this rate the jet will beat the ambulance by at least a half hour.... He will need to pull up hard on the stick to avert a catastrophe at this point. Malone should have stayed unless the plan was to tank and Malone was not cooperating. In which case that too qualifies as a catastrophe. No matter how you look at the situation or what your viewpoint all will end in catastrophe (again)....

 

[captain bill]

"The Kings’ basketball think tankers – Pete D’Alessandro, Chris Mullin, Mike Bratz – began lobbying Ranadive for a coaching change several weeks ago. According to the owner, D’Alessandro and Mullin flew to Las Vegas eight days ago, where he was attending a software conference, and persuaded him to change coaches, partly to change the culture but mainly to start scrapping the old offense. The push was on to replace the isolation plays and sluggish tempo with a faster pace, ball and body movement, quicker decisions, smaller lineups, and in essence, a more creative, free-flowing system.

“When they both flew in on the earliest flight that morning and wanted to meet with me,” Ranadive added, “I knew they were pretty serious. This was different. I told Pete to do what he thought best.”


Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article4544925.html#storylink=cpy

PS - 8 days ago at the time of this article would be dec 8th, the day of Malone's analytics is BS quote. This firing was personal, and it was GM vs Coach. At least that's how Vivek tells it. Vivek let it happen and takes the ultimate blame, but the way he tells it, his brain trust told him to do it.

You know what? I agree with you know. I read the article when it first came out and it was just so weird to me I guess I threw it in the wait and see pile and forgot about it.

I thought this over, and yes PDA had a big role in this. But I'm still sick of the site contingent that says PDA = gerbil and refuses to take a wider look at the situation.

PDA is a good personnel guy. He made some creative and risky moves that vastly improved this roster, and a lot of that seems to be based on analytics. Malone is a great old school coach, who clearly knows how to mold the talent he has in front of him. My point is that the 2 were working well together, and, ignoring for the moment the reason why Malone was fired, it's very short sighted to start bashing PDA on his approach as a GM just because MM didn't like how the sausage was made. They were producing a great on-court product, regardless of how the sausage was made or what was said behind closed doors.

NOW, the firing is a separate issue. PDA is a moron for trying to fire Malone, but that's office politics. Vivek/Mullin are the bosses here, that should have been obvious. It's equally obvious that Malone didn't like PDA. For the record, I think Malone is a better coach than PDA is a GM.

My point is this: Malone and PDA were both doing their jobs pretty well, but apparently didn't get along. The people who get blamed for this crap falling apart are the people who's job it is to manage conflicts like this: Mullin and Vivek. Mullin is self-serving and has a record of losing. Vivek apparently doesn't understand basketball and has no spine to stand up to his favorite sons and tell them they're wrong.

This organization is rotten top to bottom. Do I want pDA gone? At this point, yes, I want ALL of this clown show front office gone. But I'm baffled by the people here who start thread after thread to bash PDA while continuing to ignore the fact that our problems run much deeper than our GM.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'll beat this dead horse for the next few months. I'm on baby leave. I've got nothing but time to hold the FO to the fire as long as it takes.

Since when do new fathers get a "few months" of baby leave in the US? What the hell kind of job is that?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Hypothetically, let's say the FO got really crazy experimental and had David Arseneault Jr. coach the Kings for the final 25 games this season. Let's say the Kings find a way to magically win 16 of those games. Who here would be in favor of Arseneault Jr being named the head coach of the Kings for next season?

I imagine just about everyone would be in favor.

I wish I had four arms. So I could give this post four thumbs down.

 

[Chubbs]

Since when do new fathers get a "few months" of baby leave in the US? What the hell kind of job is that?

I don't get a few months. But I can beat the drum and hold a job.

I do get 6 weeks fully paid. Nice to work for a European company. It's unusual in this country for sure, and it was just added as a benefit as of jan 1 so I got lucky with the timing.

Then next March I get 6 weeks off sabbatical just for surviving another 6 years. . Life is good. M

Of course, 6 weeks paid would be considered offensively poor benefits in Europe.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I wish I had four arms. So I could give this post four thumbs down.

If you had these, you could do ten thumbs down and still only have the expected two arms.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If you had these, you could do ten thumbs down and still only have the expected two arms.

Well, I am partial to Safeguard brand soap, so I should be expecting that effect any time now, right?

 

[ockingsfan]

PDA better hope the FO plan was to TANK the season, otherwise I can see him being fired at the end of the season.

 

[The Hammer]

PDA better hope the FO plan was to TANK the season, otherwise I can see him being fired at the end of the season.

Good point, and if it wasn't the plan, and we get on some kind of massive losing streak, like losing 20 games... I can see a massive change of direction, yet again, and PDA being fired.

 

[Bricklayer]

Good point, and if it wasn't the plan, and we get on some kind of massive losing streak, like losing 20 games... I can see a massive change of direction, yet again, and PDA being fired.

A highly dangerous thing to even wish for. Its like swaddling somebody to drive up their temperature and break a fever. Maybe it works, and good. Or maybe you kill the patient, and not so good.

 

[The Hammer]

A highly dangerous thing to even wish for. Its like swaddling somebody to drive up their temperature and break a fever. Maybe it works, and good. Or maybe you kill the patient, and not so good.

Very dangerous, and I don't suggest it lightly, but I'm out of ideas, and this is the only type of desperate measure I can imagine getting through. However, I suppose if there was some kind of mass organized season ticket holder boycott... that might work too, without the risk to player careers/chemistry.