Poll on PDA

D'Alessandro good/bad?

  • He is an idiot

    Votes: 43 39.4%

  • He is not an idiot

    Votes: 11 10.1%

  • He has good plan, give him time

    Votes: 7 6.4%

  • He is a puppet

    Votes: 48 44.0%

  • He should be fired

    Votes: 51 46.8%

  • Jazzy NBA 2.0 baby!

    Votes: 16 14.7%

  • He is a weasel / gerbil

    Votes: 35 32.1%

  • Pitchforks / Torches are inevitable

    Votes: 33 30.3%

  • Give me refund - STH, Cable bill, etc.

    Votes: 30 27.5%

  • I gave up already

    Votes: 37 33.9%
  • Total voters
    109
He's a weasel

He should be fired

He is probably somewhat of a puppet as well

I want to be compensated for every hour that i've wasted watching this hopeless trainwreck since December 14th
 
John Galt said:
I watched it. He said he was recently talking with coach Corbin about how things are getting better in the locker room - basically doubling down on the "Ty is the coach" deal.
He was asked about trades and he said "my whole staff and I are working hard on it".

He honestly looked to me like an uncomfortable stressed out dude, but that was just my read from the video.

It was definitely NOT worth waiting up for - I'm sure the guys on the bus to the Warriors game got more info than the dumb Fox 40 reporter.
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Does Vivek think letting us know he's personally working on trades is a positive thing?

The problem with these particular smart extremely arrogant people is that they lack the experience to know how stupid they are, and have just enough arrogance to lack the self reflection necessary to stop themselves from going full speed ahead into a wall. Which they've done. And are doubling down on by refusing to hire a permanent coach.

I just hope they don't make things worse by making a rash trade. Sure, trade sessions. Who the hell cares? It needs to be said though, that when Ramon was playing regularly (yet certainly not due to his play), the team was actually good. So, it makes perfect sense to ship him out. Heck, dump casspi too.

I'll beat this dead horse for the next few months. I'm on baby leave. I've got nothing but time to hold the FO to the fire as long as it takes.
 
SacKings384 said:
The question is if they fire PDA, who do they bring in? Vivek is going to want a yes man. So he isn't going to be any different from PDA. Unfortunately this comes from the top down and you can't fire your owner. Our only hope is for the team to continue to suck so bad that fans consistently decide not to show up for games. Maybe some humble pie will let him turn the keys over to a real GM that has the ability to take control.
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Here's the hope as I see it.

Someone or a small group Vivek consulted sold him on hiring Malone and that predates the PDA hiring and bringing Mullin on board. I'd assume whoever gave him that advice are shaking their heads in disbelief at what's occurred here. So the hope would be Vivek goes back and talks to that original group of advisers who led him to hire Malone which was a far better hire than PDA and they advise him to clear house, start over in the FO and point him in the direction of hiring a far more competent GM. Do that and this team becomes far more attractive to top head coaching candidates and we can salvage this mess.

Anything less and this mess continues as I have little confidence Vivek on his own can replace the weasel with a satisfactory GM. But whoever it was who steered him towards Malone has superior advice and understanding of this league than whoever pushed him towards PDA/Mullin and is advising him currently. Get them on the phone. Lean on them. Take their words of advice extremely seriously and switch gears. Otherwise it may cost him both a HOF talent and a good portion of the fan base who won't put up with this next season and potentially further into the future.
 
macadocious said:
Sort by net efficiency rating

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

Our starting lineup is #2 in the NBA for units that have played 200 minutes or more together.

One combination of our bench is BY FAR the worst in the NBA. The statistician should be able to see this.
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I don't see the Kings starting lineup anywhere close to #2 by net rating. That's utah. Am I looking at the right thing?

Looks like 30th or so to me. Low enough I stopped counting.
 
Chubbs said:
I don't see the Kings starting lineup anywhere close to #2 by net rating. That's utah. Am I looking at the right thing?

Looks like 30th or so to me. Low enough I stopped counting.
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You have to look at the minutes and omit the people that have 60 minutes together.
 
In honor of Vivek, I have three points to make:

* He's not an idiot.
* Firing him won't save us because we have an owner that didn't follow basketball much until about 6 years ago; has bad ideas about how to run a team; is hands on with basketball operations; and doesn't have any issue with offering up his ignorant and/or bad ideas because he made his money "thinking outside the box"
* Firing PDA, who is mediocre, serves the greater purpose of putting the spotlight and onus onto Vivek to either become a competent owner or experience the wrath and associated financial hardship of a fan base that eventually realizes that yet another Kings owner is causing this team to stink with mismanagement.
 
Padrino said:
i remain firmly in the "fire PDA" camp, and primarily because of his claim that he wouldn't have cared how many wins that michael malone may have been able to amass with a completely healthy roster, he still would have fired him. i simply cannot fathom such arrogance from a first-time gm, and i simply cannot abide a front office that values its on-court philosophy over legitimate culture change, defensive improvement, and measurable gains in the win column, especially when the philosophy in question is burdened by considerable inexperience...
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This is taken out of context on this board continously. It has been turned into "PDA cares more about style than wins." This is not the point he was making IMO.

In the interview he was being asked by CD if Malone's record had anything to do with his firing. PDA stated his record was not the issue. It was then asked if hypothetically the Kings were 16-9 would Malone still have been fired. PDA stated he hated hypotheticals because given that it was hypothetical it really did not pertain to what actually happened. He then went on to say that yes, he still would have fired Malone. To me, he is making his orginal point that this firing was not about the record - and it was not that "he cares more about style than wins."

Reading between the lines, it tells me that there was a significant divide between the coach and the FO and the direction and future diection of the team. I think that the FO decided that while they respect Malone and wish him the best, "a house divided" does not bode well for long-term success. Therefore, if the relationship seems to be headed in 2 different directions, why not end sooner than later.

You do not have to agree with the decision (I do not), but trying to get everyone on the same page moving forward is not a crazy idea. Most of all, "style above wins" is unfair to the point he was trying make.
 
macadocious said:
You have to look at the minutes and omit the people that have 60 minutes together.
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It would appear to be 12th with a cutoff of 60. You said a cutoff of 200 before, which does place us second out of 26 lineups that have played at least 200 minutes together. On the other hand, we have somehow put out there 39 minutes of Evans/Landry/Casspi/Stauskas/Sessions, which has a ridiculous net rating of -62.5 - well more than 1.5 times worse than the next-worse lineup in the NBA!
 
kupman said:
This is taken out of context on this board continously. It has been turned into "PDA cares more about style than wins." This is not the point he was making IMO.

In the interview he was being asked by CD if Malone's record had anything to do with his firing. PDA stated his record was not the issue. It was then asked if hypothetically the Kings were 16-9 would Malone still have been fired. PDA stated he hated hypotheticals because given that it was hypothetical it really did not pertain to what actually happened. He then went on to say that yes, he still would have fired Malone. To me, he is making his orginal point that this firing was not about the record - and it was not that "he cares more about style than wins."

Reading between the lines, it tells me that there was a significant divide between the coach and the FO and the direction and future diection of the team. I think that the FO decided that while they respect Malone and wish him the best, "a house divided" does not bode well for long-term success. Therefore, if the relationship seems to be headed in 2 different directions, why not end sooner than later.

You do not have to agree with the decision (I do not), but trying to get everyone on the same page moving forward is not a crazy idea. Most of all, "style above wins" is unfair to the point he was trying make.
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Given the results, he should have resigned. He was wrong.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It would appear to be 12th with a cutoff of 60. You said a cutoff of 200 before, which does place us second out of 26 lineups that have played at least 200 minutes together. On the other hand, we have somehow put out there 39 minutes of Evans/Landry/Casspi/Stauskas/Sessions, which has a ridiculous net rating of -62.5 - well more than 1.5 times worse than the next-worse lineup in the NBA!
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LOL, you are so technical. I just threw 60 out there, meaning take the part time units out of the fray.
 
Glaivenomics said:
I don't think he's an idiot. Unfortunately, in my opinion, idiots aren't as dangerous as smart people who think that they are smarter than they really are.
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Somewhat of a complex final sentence but wonderfully said. And ....... so wonderfully true.
 
Honestly, this team is playing like garbage, and it feels like nobody in our front office cares.

**** PDA :mad:
 
kupman said:
This is taken out of context on this board continously. It has been turned into "PDA cares more about style than wins." This is not the point he was making IMO.

In the interview he was being asked by CD if Malone's record had anything to do with his firing. PDA stated his record was not the issue. It was then asked if hypothetically the Kings were 16-9 would Malone still have been fired. PDA stated he hated hypotheticals because given that it was hypothetical it really did not pertain to what actually happened. He then went on to say that yes, he still would have fired Malone. To me, he is making his orginal point that this firing was not about the record - and it was not that "he cares more about style than wins."

Reading between the lines, it tells me that there was a significant divide between the coach and the FO and the direction and future diection of the team. I think that the FO decided that while they respect Malone and wish him the best, "a house divided" does not bode well for long-term success. Therefore, if the relationship seems to be headed in 2 different directions, why not end sooner than later.

You do not have to agree with the decision (I do not), but trying to get everyone on the same page moving forward is not a crazy idea. Most of all, "style above wins" is unfair to the point he was trying make.
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I think it's fair to look at a lot of what our team has done (would rather have team descend into chaos this year than have any more of Malone's style; worried (or pretending to be) about fan concerns over pace; everything Reno; "crowd sourcing" the draft and inviting Grantland) and have very real concerns that our owner loves the sizzle and either doesn't care about or can't determine the steak.

It cracks me up how some Kings fans will soft pedal the context of wins didn't matter. That's one of the few honest things PDA said in a session where he struggled to the general media at bay (and he hasn't faced them since). Someone, I suspect Vivek, was going to fire Malone because he'd been told several times that the team needed to play faster, and he didn't do it because he (correctly) didn't believe it would lead to more wins.

This team either: (1) made the move to Corbin knowing that we wouldn't be as good, but the drop off in play and impact on the locker room from this season would be repaired as well as off set in wins by our next hire (horrible plan, which concedes that wins this season isn't the primary basis for the move); or (2) didn't realized that the team was super loyal to Malone and Corbin is a really horrible coach (they are incompetent at their jobs). They valued style above wins for this season, and getting/trying to get all of the water that's still rushing into the boat is probably going to cost us wins next season.

It's like the claim that the owner was totally misquoted on "4 on 5." He's for experimenting with cherry picking, as opposed to keeping an offensive player stationary at that end. He was asked, you don't really mean cherry picking can be effective and essentially doubled down.

I get fans want to back the team no matter what, but our crummy owners motivations are what they are.
 
Bricklayer said:
Interesting choice of words. Yes as a matter of fact. I have decided I am going to keep throwing logs on the fire until he either fixes the mess he and his boss created, or he gets fired and chased right out of town by a mob with pitchforks. The stupidity will stop, or I intend to have his head. Consider it a pioneering step in targeted fan discontent. We deserve better. You deserve better. Boogie deserves better. He has legitimately pissed me off.
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So the best thing to do about it is to continue to bicker about it on the forums...I suppose.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It would appear to be 12th with a cutoff of 60. You said a cutoff of 200 before, which does place us second out of 26 lineups that have played at least 200 minutes together. On the other hand, we have somehow put out there 39 minutes of Evans/Landry/Casspi/Stauskas/Sessions, which has a ridiculous net rating of -62.5 - well more than 1.5 times worse than the next-worse lineup in the NBA!
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Wow, twin duplex lineup not so good, huh? Holy cow.
 
Chubbs said:
Does Vivek think letting us know he's personally working on trades is a positive thing?

The problem with these particular smart extremely arrogant people is that they lack the experience to know how stupid they are, and have just enough arrogance to lack the self reflection necessary to stop themselves from going full speed ahead into a wall. Which they've done. And are doubling down on by refusing to hire a permanent coach.

I just hope they don't make things worse by making a rash trade. Sure, trade sessions. Who the hell cares? It needs to be said though, that when Ramon was playing regularly (yet certainly not due to his play), the team was actually good. So, it makes perfect sense to ship him out. Heck, dump casspi too.

I'll beat this dead horse for the next few months. I'm on baby leave. I've got nothing but time to hold the FO to the fire as long as it takes.
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Some intelligent people are arrogant and are the type I fear may describe Vivek. They cannot adjust as they are sure they are correct. The cause of the problem is someone else.

What we hope for is a Vivek who sees the carnage around him when he gets home and begins to think about what is causing it and what might be the solution. Perhaps he should put the control of the Kings in the hands of whoever it was that suggested he hire Malone if that is possible.

I noticed a note posted around 4 AM. Ha! Ha! Now I have the answer.
 
kupman said:
Reading between the lines, it tells me that there was a significant divide between the coach and the FO and the direction and future diection of the team. I think that the FO decided that while they respect Malone and wish him the best, "a house divided" does not bode well for long-term success. Therefore, if the relationship seems to be headed in 2 different directions, why not end sooner than later.

You do not have to agree with the decision (I do not), but trying to get everyone on the same page moving forward is not a crazy idea. Most of all, "style above wins" is unfair to the point he was trying make.
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because of the tremendous and unnecessary disruption of progress it created, the league-wide ridicule it earned, the exodus of fans emptying out of sleep train arena it has resulted in, and the damage it may ultimately cause to the kings' longterm relationship with demarcus cousins. michael malone could have been fired during this last offseason, thus avoiding the unnecessary mid-season disruption and league-wide ridicule, or he could have been fired this upcoming offseason, thus avoiding the unnecessary mid-season disruption and league-wide ridicule. what is the compelling basketball argument for firing michael malone so early in the season, without an adequate replacement lined up (and no, i do not qualify tyrone corbin as an "adequate replacement")?

my suspicion is that PDA was intent on firing malone while he was able to do so. mike malone at 11-13 is much easier to fire than mike malone at 44-38, 41-41, or even 38-44 (if we want to be ungenerous and assume that the kings would have sustained their 11-13 pace under malone, even with a healthy demarcus cousins returning to the lineup). the more the kings improved on their win total from the last couple of seasons, the more the team continued to "buy in" to mike malone's system, the more they grew together as a team, and the more they backed their head coach, the harder it would be for the front office to justify firing malone, so PDA opportunistically took advantage of the stretch of losses the kings endured in the absence of demarcus cousins when viral meningitis struck...

for the record, i do not believe it is unfair at all to characterize pete d'alessandro's comments as "style above wins." in the wake of michael malone's firing, PDA has repeatedly emphasized that the direction malone was taking the team did not represent the identity that the front office desired for the team. they were not swayed by the results that malone was wringing from a fairly untalented roster (read: establishment of a new culture, team-oriented growth, defensive improvement, efficiency of the starting unit, and measurable gains in the win column); they cared more about their proposed "vision" or "identity" or "philosophy" for the team. so, until that "vision" or "identity" or "philosophy" results in at least the establishment of a new culture, team-oriented growth, defensive improvement, efficiency of the starting unit, and measurable gains in the win column, i will steadfastly argue that the kings' brass are best-characterized as "style above wins"...
 
kingsboi said:
So the best thing to do about it is to continue to bicker about it on the forums...I suppose.
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To make noise yes. And noise is being made. I am tired of it too. But they aren't going to get off that easy. They are not going to outlast us. I am more tired of losing than I am tired of haranguing the fools who caused the losing.
 
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and it's not like we're just whining for no reason. it's not just Kings fans that are still talking about this situation. To this day, national media is still ripping on the Kings front office for the Malone firing and the actions that have followed. Just look at the SI grades yesterday
 
kupman said:
He signed DMC to a long-term contract.
He traded away pieces of not much to Toronto for Rudy Gay.
He signed Rudy Gay to a longer, and much more reasonable contract.
He decided not to overpay IT in place of signing DC to a more reasonable contract with similar talent level.

It has not been all bad in a year and half - certainly not perfect. He is clearly not an idiot.
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I give him 0 credit for signing a franchise player who wants to be here 0. IT at 7million per year isn't overpaying espically for a team who has no assets to replace his talents. IT wanted to be here you pay him that and when the cap goes up his contracts a bargin. We lacked a back up pg, shooting, and bench scoring with IT as the 6th man we start better than 9-7. I'll give him credit for Gay trade only. How does he get credit for getting Gay to sign here by tricking him. He has lost gay until that contract is up you just don't do that, players around the league will see what he did.
 
Padrino said:
my suspicion is that PDA was intent on firing malone while he was able to do so. mike malone at 11-13 is much easier to fire than mike malone at 44-38, 41-41, or even 38-44 (if we want to be ungenerous and assume that the kings would have sustained their 11-13 pace under malone, even with a healthy demarcus cousins returning to the lineup). the more the kings improved on their win total from the last couple of seasons, the more the team continued to "buy in" to mike malone's system, the more they grew together as a team, and the more they backed their head coach, the harder it would be for the front office to justify firing malone, so PDA opportunistically took advantage of the stretch of losses the kings endured in the absence of demarcus cousins when viral meningitis struck...
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I agree and to piggy-back on that, if Malone continued to have success and we remained competitive under his style and his system, well that goes against the style and system PDA/Mullin have been harping on, which makes them expendable while making their plan look foolish.

We basically had PDA/Mullin campaigning for a certain style and implying, this is how we'll have success. Malone called BS on it and showed his style with this roster is the path towards success. When your coach goes against your philosophy and has success in doing so, your philosophy and viewpoint become inconsequential. Then it becomes about ego and keeping you job, thus it became PDA vs Malone and the weasel took his opportunity to send Malone packing as the window to do so was limited, basically until Cuz came back and this team got back to competitive, winning basketball.

I truly believe PDA and Mullin new this summer that Malone was going to employ his style(going after Gentry suggests that), and them being the incompetent fools they are thought he'd fail, the team would lose and firing him would be simple. But when Malone had success? It didn't just undermine their message and their philosophy, it threatened their jobs, at least PDA's anyway.

That's what I think much of this boils down to. The more success Malone had with his style, the more PDA's vision/philosophy would and did not matter. PDA has to preserve his career, so he cut Malone and the team off at its knees. And that's why he's such a ****ing weasel, he put his job security and his love affair with style/pace above winning and the team.
 
He put together a largely incomplete roster and honestly thought he did a good job in doing it. He saw someone else take his broken toy and make it work as best as possible and in thinking that the toy was fixed got rid of the person. Now that broken toy sits in the closet, collecting dust. You be the judge.
 
SacTownKid said:
Put Darren Collison, Rudy Gay, and Demarcus Cousins on the bench and see what happens. This GM is lucky the one before him drafted Cousins.
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exactly. the best part about this team and the biggest reason for the wins the team does have, is one of the two players left from the Maloof era........

Pete's roster is garbage
 
Guys... :chuckle: I think everyone :shakes head: really needs to calm down here. I mean I can't :chuckle: can't really believe you all are questioning us. We're smart people :chuckle:. Just :shakes head: be patient. Carly Landry will surely pay off. Along with Stauskas, Sessions, D-Will, and the rest. :Laughs Heartily: I mean I've been doing this for years. I'm a professional. I get paid to do this. :chuckles: You wouldn't even have a team without us... :chuckles: oh peasants... Crap did I say that last part out loud?
 
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