Petries job in doubt?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Dangerous given who would be making a decision on a replacement (i.e the Maloofs).
I would like to see our main young guys establish themselves, really establish themselves, before a move like this would happen. I don't mind the idea of a new GM being tasked with building around our top young talents. What would be disastrous is to have a guy come in, want to prove himself and make it his team, and start trading away Reke, Cousins etc. so he could bring in "his guys". I certainly don't trust the Maloofs to have any widsom about such things. Get the team to a place where its clearly on the way up and we know who our keepers are, and I shrug...right up until the Maloofs hire Wisenhunt or turn the team over to Don Nelson so he trade away everybody over 6'3".
RookieOfTheDay
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as noted on STR, most of the Kings F/O are Petrie's hires. Does this mean they clean house? No sense in shipping out Petrie if you leave his staff in place.
I’m not ready to put the blame at Petrie’s feet, though. Not when the Maloofs had him hogtied in the 2010 FA class.
Honestly I think the Maloofs are a bigger problem than Petrie. Too bad they won’t fire themselves.
Not that Petrie has been perfect, he’s made his share of dud trades, for sure. He’s generally been solid in the draft though with the only complete failure being taking Douby over Rondo.
I’m not ready to put the blame at Petrie’s feet, though. Not when the Maloofs had him hogtied in the 2010 FA class.
Honestly I think the Maloofs are a bigger problem than Petrie. Too bad they won’t fire themselves.
Not that Petrie has been perfect, he’s made his share of dud trades, for sure. He’s generally been solid in the draft though with the only complete failure being taking Douby over Rondo.
There's always going to be some question in my mind about how much freedom Geoff has to do his job. If he's being restrained financially or asked to bring in players such as Jimmer or Salmons.
That said, while the team has drafted some significant talent, all other moves (free agency, re-signings, trades etc) have been handled poorly. And this team has been constructed in a haphazard way. If Tyreke and Cousins are the foundation then why not surround them with fitting role players who will play tough defense and unselfish offense while hitting open shots and rebounding? Instead you let a defensive anchor go and bring in more guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective. It is NOT a good team as currently constructed and that falls at the feet of the GM. So the objective viewpoint is that Petrie hasn't done his job adequately and there should be thought given to replacing him.
But the subjective viewpoint (mine at least) is that Geoff is at least competent and I don't trust the Maloofs not to screw things up completely with their choice for a replacement. I like Petrie even if I've questioned quite a few of his moves. But if I had faith in the owners to replace him with a better GM I'd be okay with him being fired. But I have zero hope that the Maloofs would make the right move for this franchise.
That said, while the team has drafted some significant talent, all other moves (free agency, re-signings, trades etc) have been handled poorly. And this team has been constructed in a haphazard way. If Tyreke and Cousins are the foundation then why not surround them with fitting role players who will play tough defense and unselfish offense while hitting open shots and rebounding? Instead you let a defensive anchor go and bring in more guys who need the ball in their hands to be effective. It is NOT a good team as currently constructed and that falls at the feet of the GM. So the objective viewpoint is that Petrie hasn't done his job adequately and there should be thought given to replacing him.
But the subjective viewpoint (mine at least) is that Geoff is at least competent and I don't trust the Maloofs not to screw things up completely with their choice for a replacement. I like Petrie even if I've questioned quite a few of his moves. But if I had faith in the owners to replace him with a better GM I'd be okay with him being fired. But I have zero hope that the Maloofs would make the right move for this franchise.
IfAt1st
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It's time.
Only having his son and cohort there, and taking in Shareef Abdur-Rahim (WTH has he ever done in his life that would REMOTELY qualify him as a player personnel specialist?!) to replace the forced-out previous guy doesn't just suggest that he squelches dissenting/alternate viewpoints - it SCREAMS it!
This catastrophic offseason of bungles and bad decisions has once again left the Kings with little talent or likelihood of acquiring talent able to compete at the NBA level.
His inability to hire an NBA-quality coach (including the strength-and-conditioning coach who has also failed for YEARS) or bring in competitive NBA players is dooming this franchise. I've got no problems with his drafting or even some of his salary-shedding trades : it's every other aspect of his job that Petrie has failed at for years.
Only having his son and cohort there, and taking in Shareef Abdur-Rahim (WTH has he ever done in his life that would REMOTELY qualify him as a player personnel specialist?!) to replace the forced-out previous guy doesn't just suggest that he squelches dissenting/alternate viewpoints - it SCREAMS it!
This catastrophic offseason of bungles and bad decisions has once again left the Kings with little talent or likelihood of acquiring talent able to compete at the NBA level.
His inability to hire an NBA-quality coach (including the strength-and-conditioning coach who has also failed for YEARS) or bring in competitive NBA players is dooming this franchise. I've got no problems with his drafting or even some of his salary-shedding trades : it's every other aspect of his job that Petrie has failed at for years.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I'd rather replace the Maloofs first. I don't trust them to pick anyone decent or better to replace Petrie. The Maloofs seem to be disastrous in the hiring department.
I don't have anything against GP, but it might be time to move on, if, and only if, we get someone really good to replace him. I just have zero faith in the Maloofs to make the best hire.
I don't have anything against GP, but it might be time to move on, if, and only if, we get someone really good to replace him. I just have zero faith in the Maloofs to make the best hire.
Who would be the best GM to take us forward? Petrie or someone the Maloofs might pick. I think it's Petrie. I think if Petrie looked back there might be some transactions he might wish he skipped but by and large he has done well.
I would guess there are some management restrictions on spending and I think most FAs would not choose to come here now or in the recent past. These are hurdles for Petrie but they're not new.
I would guess there are some management restrictions on spending and I think most FAs would not choose to come here now or in the recent past. These are hurdles for Petrie but they're not new.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
i believe SAR is still getting paid on his MLE contract he signed a while back. Maloofs probably want to get their moneys worth and hired him on as assistant coach, now personnel specialist.
i'd seriously caution on replacing petrie. its a big *** gamble to get rid of him and not having a replacement lined up. who made the decision to replace adelman. has there been an adequate replacement since? who has been hired since and by who? MAGOOFS finger prints all over it. hmm.... questions, questions, questions.
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rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I'd give Petrie until the deadline, by which point we'll know about the arena situation and how it'll pan out. I've seen a few rumors if the arena plan goes well and is approved, the Maloofs might be forced to sell. I wonder if they can afford their cut of the funding. New ownership would want a new FO. Bring in an interim gm, who might be removed under new ownership, and imo chances skyrocket the interim gm makes a big mistake and trades away Reke or Cousins as he tries to make a statement of his own, and separate himself from the previous parties mistakes.
Pritchard is a name I'd like to see pop up. But if he has the same restrictions Petrie has, why would he come? If the Maloofs were to open up spending for Pritchard or another gm, that isn't fair to Petrie who's operated under restrictions. Yet when under restrictions, having Salmons/Cisco/Outlaw take up 17M is retarded. This organization is such a mess. I'm for a new gm, but I could easily see the Maloofs f'ing this up to.
Pritchard is a name I'd like to see pop up. But if he has the same restrictions Petrie has, why would he come? If the Maloofs were to open up spending for Pritchard or another gm, that isn't fair to Petrie who's operated under restrictions. Yet when under restrictions, having Salmons/Cisco/Outlaw take up 17M is retarded. This organization is such a mess. I'm for a new gm, but I could easily see the Maloofs f'ing this up to.
bluntsnbball
G-League
The Maloofs are having financial troubles and they pay their team one of if not the lowest payroll in the league. I dont think thats a coincidence. How much can Petrie really do with such a low salary and poor owners? Is Petrie underperforming? Maybe. But i think a firing now would be premature. Let the stadium get built, let some youngins develop and see where we are down the line.
+1. I don't see too many other GMs being able to do well with the constraints GP's had to work with either. I think the Maloofs are the bigger problem first.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Petries moves haven't been great over the past few years but like others I would like to see what he would do without the Maloofs hovering over his shoulder. I'd only be in favor of firing him if we don't make any moves before the deadline this year. Something needs to be done about this team...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I've mentioned before it might not be anything dramatic. Getting Hayes an Thornton back will help. Reke continuing poriogress as a PG will help. Cousins contiuing to get efficient and thump peopl inside will help. Having a role that Jimmer can do well at will help. And maybe the biggest thing, the dramatically softer schedule the second half of the year will help. Would I love to somehow turn Salmons and Hickson into a dependable SF? Sure. But it bigger things may not be in the cards. We've had 19 total games of Reke/Cousins/Thornton scattered over 2 years. We have no choice but to give it some time, probably until the offseason, before we start making decisions on it. I would just like to see the coach identify the roleplayers around those guys who are going to let them work. Spot shooters and hustling defenders please, and we will be alright.
origkds
What- Me Worry?
Because of some really dubious personnel decisions that have been made (since the glory years) I have always assumed that the Maloofs were meddling in Petrie’s attempt to construct a viable basketball team. What if they haven’t been meddling; what if everything that has transpired is solely the work of Petrie? Would you keep him, or not?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Most signs point to meddling though.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I'd really like some players from the Celts... Ray Allen and Mickael Pietrus or Keyon Dooling.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I'd rather not. THe second Ray or Garnett stepped atop the paranormal hotspot that is Arco Arena, they'd probably suffer a career ending coronary. Not to mention, they're old
Nighthawk1
Starter
I agree the what if's are nice, but most evidence we have seen points to meddling. No GM would run rosters like we have on purpose.
Pritchard is the only GM name that would entice me
Kings Faithful
Starter
I'm pretty sure Pritchard works for the Pacers now... who have been really good this year by the way.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
The big problem is that there are many, many incompetent GMs who would make Petrie's last few years look like the work of an all-knowing entity. Geoff, over the last few years, has made some very poor decisions in FA and with trades. On the other hand, he's drafted very well. He's a relatively safe GM to have, won't do anything majorly stupid, but isn't going to be aggressive like he should be with a rebuilding team.
I'm quite happy to keep him given the other options out there and the Maloof's inability to hire. As has been pointed out, they're the biggest problems here. If Pritchard was available and willing, I'd have no problem letting Petrie go. He's proven that he's aggressive in aquiring young talent and picks, and competent in other areas. He also drafts very well. But that's just unlikely. I'd be very nervous about firing Geoff, you'd have to be absolutely sure you weren't replacing him with an idiot, and there have been plenty of them with GM jobs over the years.
I'm quite happy to keep him given the other options out there and the Maloof's inability to hire. As has been pointed out, they're the biggest problems here. If Pritchard was available and willing, I'd have no problem letting Petrie go. He's proven that he's aggressive in aquiring young talent and picks, and competent in other areas. He also drafts very well. But that's just unlikely. I'd be very nervous about firing Geoff, you'd have to be absolutely sure you weren't replacing him with an idiot, and there have been plenty of them with GM jobs over the years.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
You're correct. Pritchard isn't really a realistic option at this point.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Let GP go please.
Beno for salmons and the pick exchange has proved to be terrible trade, Kawhi leonard or Brandon Knight could have been Kings. What did we get in return for Bibby or Webber NOTHING omg it still turns my stomach. Let Gerald Wallace go for nothing as well. To many screw ups already time for new blood, new ideas and how about some agressive moves to acquire talent.
Beno for salmons and the pick exchange has proved to be terrible trade, Kawhi leonard or Brandon Knight could have been Kings. What did we get in return for Bibby or Webber NOTHING omg it still turns my stomach. Let Gerald Wallace go for nothing as well. To many screw ups already time for new blood, new ideas and how about some agressive moves to acquire talent.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Thing about Pritchard is that his success in Portland can partially be attributed to the fact that he used Paul Allen's massive fortune to simply buy draft picks which he would then pawn off to get better draft picks and players. Couple that with the fact that he gave a max contract extension to the one person to play in the NBA with knees worse than C-Webb despite the fact everyone wasn't sure how much longer he could hold up and I'm not quite sure how much success he'd have in Sacramento
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
In theory, I'd say Petrie isn't deserving of being here past the deadline, and gets until that point to show he recognizes his mistakes and is moving to correct them. We don't need a major move at the deadline, but show us something moving away from the direction he took this team this past summer, which was a smaller frontline and getting 1v1 players instead of role players which fit.
Now, the biggest problem, and why I said in theory, is that the Maloofs would be the ones doing the hiring. Every coach they've hired since Adelman has been a disaster. They have a terrible track record at hiring. Looking at the hires they've made since Adelman, I have little to no confidence they'd make a sound decision in replacing Petrie.
So while I think Petrie has failed us this past year, and taken the team away from the positive direction it was going late last season, he still not only has time to correct some of those moves(assuming he doesn't get the axe before the deadline), but also given the Maloofs track record, is better than any replacement they might bring in.
This organization has a lot of problems, but they all seem to stem from the same damn problem, the Maloofs wallet. I wish I knew who was more responsible for Westy's tenure. Was it heavy restrictions put on Petrie in the first place, and the Maloofs gave him an incredibly low budget to get a head coach, or was Westy the man the Maloofs wanted. Then, who kept him here for over 2 years? Was it more Petrie, who wanted Westy and continued to back that decision, or was it the Maloofs all the way, and simply didn't want to spend on another head coach?
I wish I knew, because if it was Petrie who wanted Westy, and it was Petrie who kept him here a few weeks into this season, then the complete lack of teaching/development/system over 2+ seasons falls at the feet of Petrie. If that were true, it's not just the last off season which was a disaster, but the last 2+ years as well. And if it was the Maloofs all the way, then I have even less confidence in their ability to hire a competent gm replacement, as they would have seriously hindered the development of our youngsters simply to save a couple million.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
I hope it is safe to assume that the NBA knows this.
What's the advantage of giving him to the deadline? So he can make more bad trades that we learn are bad trades a year later? So, he's managed to hang around another year by fooling the locals again?
The fans want the slate wiped clean from top to bottom.I guess that's what makes it all pointless. If Petrie is let go, there's still the Maloofs, their shallow grins and their empty wallets. What does it matter if Petrie gets what is coming for him? Little will change.
Oh to be a Kings fan.
The fans want the slate wiped clean from top to bottom.I guess that's what makes it all pointless. If Petrie is let go, there's still the Maloofs, their shallow grins and their empty wallets. What does it matter if Petrie gets what is coming for him? Little will change.
Oh to be a Kings fan.
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