Petrie Identifying team needs (Rim protector!)

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Not saying I want him, but keep an eye on Ryan Anderson.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hmm... let's see... is there anyone out there who could maybe add both 3-point shooting abilities and maybe a block or two a game protecting the rim?

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[Circa_1985_Fan]

I agree Steve Novak is a great 3pt shooter. Unfortunately he's not that helpful of one because he's terrible at anything else and can't defend any positon. I think/assume when we say we need more 3pt shooting its us saying we need more 3pt shooting that can actually play during important stretches of the game as mainline rotation guys, even starters. Novak is almost a gimmick.

Craig Hodges was a gimmick too.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Hmm... let's see... is there anyone out there who could maybe add both 3-point shooting abilities and maybe a block or two a game protecting the rim?

Spoiler

You rang?

Kind of silly, but I wouldn't mind having him... If the situation is right. He has improved.

In fact, in some weird scenario I'd rather have Hawes as our 3rd/4th big then Ryan Anderson as our starter next to Cousins.

 

[Hallama]

Shot blockers:

Restricted FA

Roy Hibbert: 2 blocks per game. Kings would have a monster frontline. Would take a major offer from the Kings for the Pacers not to match. Unlikely.

Brook Lopez: Probably a little less likely the Nets match a big offer, but history of injuries and dwindling rebounding numbers makes him a gamble.

Greg Stiemsma: who? what? This guy is a solid big in Boston. He blocked 1.5 shots in 14 minutes a game. Per 48 that's 5.32 bpg, second to only Serge Ibaka's 6.5. Too small of a sample size? Yes, but this is the type of under the radar acquisition Petrie is famous for. Foul prone. He will be a RFA and I'd guess a few teams will throw MLE's at him. Could be the next Pryzbilla. Or a big bust.

Omer Asik: RFA. Another dude who may thrive beside Cousins.

Vets

Dally: still an effective shot blocker. Would he come back? Would the Kings want him?

Camby: sounds like he wants to finish his career in Houston.

 

[The_Jamal]

All those talents are horrible fits next to Cousins. Absolutely awful

 

[Bricklayer]

Craig Hodges was a gimmick too.

Not really. People forget (or more likely are just too young to know) that Hodges was not a huge liability out there for you. He could defend, shoot, pass, roleplay for limited minutes. And yes, limited minutes was the key, but you didn't go backward because of him. He was more like a Chalmers than a gimmick guy. Three point shooting is what he is remembered for, but he wasn't a bad overall player.

Novak is a different animal. He is one of the worst basketball players in the league in all ways except that shot. Its literally the only thing he does out there. In 19 minutes a night, at 6'10", he'll grab you 1.9rebs. 0.2 assists. He can't guard me. 5.2 of his 6.2 shots a game are threes -- he truly is the ultimate gimmick.

 

[Mass]

Asik would be great. He has the perfect skills to match with Cousins. Unfortunately, the Bulls love him and they know he is a very good big. No chances. I would bring Dally back, he's already proved he can play with DMC, but I'm not sure he wants to come back. Maybe he had problems with Westphal, now that he's gone he could consider coming back. I don't know, I'm just guessing here.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I've mentioned Asik a couple times on here. I'd love to have him.

Another option may be Anderson Varajao. Cleveland likes him, but he's been on the 'possible trade block' for a while. Always been one of my favorite fits next to Cuz. Would Thornton be enough to get him? Jimmer?

Okafor is always a possibility as well.

 

[Hallama]

All those talents are horrible fits next to Cousins. Absolutely awful

Disagree. Cousins on offense can post, high post, penetrate, shoot jumpers, basically, he can do it all for a big. All you're really looking for is a big body who can hit the offensive glass and set screens on offense. Yes, a big that can shoot 3's is a better fit on the offensive end. But Petrie is talking about a rim protector next to Cousins.

Can you name a better shot blocker that is semi-available?

 

[Hallama]

Not really. People forget (or more likely are just too young to know) that Hodges was not a huge liability out there for you. He could defend, shoot, pass, roleplay for limited minutes.
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At the end of Hodges career, he was more of a gimmick, but you're right about him overall. He was really good in Milwaukee (under Don Nelson). Just an incredible shooter, and an average basketball player skills wise.

 

[Hallama]

If the Kings do decide to go after Ersan (a great fit next to Cousins...offensively) then they better amnesty Salmons and also go after Gerald Wallace, a very good defensive SF. Start Tyreke, Thorton, GWall, Ersan, Cousins. Man, that team is a freight train. Highly unlikely to happen, especially with the Maloof's in their current state of...Maloof'iness.

 

[sdballer]

Disagree. Cousins on offense can post, high post, penetrate, shoot jumpers, basically, he can do it all for a big. All you're really looking for is a big body who can hit the offensive glass and set screens on offense. Yes, a big that can shoot 3's is a better fit on the offensive end. But Petrie is talking about a rim protector next to Cousins.

Can you name a better shot blocker that is semi-available?

You have to remember this is the same guy that thinks Hayes is a better fit than Dally.

 

[SacKings7]

Novak reminds me of Sam Perkins at the end of his career: A big thrown out there to do one thing and one thing only, and that's to shoot 3's and spread the floor. Not comparing the 2 in any way, but I just think back to him. I don't like Novak for this team though. As I said before, I'd like to see us give Ilyasova (at SF) or CJ Miles a shot. I say CJ Miles because he might be expendable for Utah now with Hayward's emergence and Josh Howard playing solid basketball again.

 

[Bricklayer]

Novak reminds me of Sam Perkins at the end of his career: A big thrown out there to do one thing and one thing only, and that's to shoot 3's and spread the floor. Not comparing the 2 in any way, but I just think back to him. I don't like Novak for this team though. As I said before, I'd like to see us give Ilyasova (at SF) or CJ Miles a shot. I say CJ Miles because he might be expendable for Utah now with Hayward's emergence and Josh Howard playing solid basketball again.

Yeah, but Perkins at the end of his career was, well, still Sam Perkins at the end of his career. Former stud defender, good post player etc. Even at the end you could stil hope to get a LITTLE of that out of him. And I thought he was borderline worthless for years, but even so, at least he once could play. Novak is really much more of a Brain Cardinal figure, except Cardinal was actually better rounded.

 

[GoodOldDouwe]

Let's not be that team that overpays a guy like Novak after one good season. Please GP, don't be that stupid

 

[=LarryLegend=]

What about Ryan Anderson and Camby?

 

[Bricklayer]

What about Ryan Anderson and Camby?

Camby is unfortunately 76 years old.

And as I mentioned with Ilyasova, the Ryan Anderson/Rashard Lewis nonsense is a major reason why Orlando failed and their franchise center has turned into a debacle. When you get a franchise center you pair him with another tough inside player, in this case a shotblocker. Otherwise you just pee away the whole advantage having a franchise center gives you. I know you meant Camby as that guy, but its hard to say a guy paying AARP dues as much more than the most temporary of solutions.

 

[swisshh]

Is 3pt shooting still a big need? There's Thornton, Jimmer and IT. You probably just need a more reliable shooter at the SF.

A second PG, a legit starting SF and a shotblocker are the top three needs. (Not in that order.)

 

[Hoovtrain]

I am the only person on the planet who ever had a Jim Les jersey made in fact (for my brother). "Jim Les for three!" was a common playground joke throughout my younger years. But that what it was, mostly a joke. Half a year of effectiveness, thereafter...

Novak may even be worse. Him getting time in New York is just an indication of why the Knicks will never be good either. I could, and cheerfully would, run some fo these franchsies for these buffoons at twice the effectiveness and half the cost.

Good man. I'm still bitter about Les losing to Hodges in the 3pt shootout.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Is 3pt shooting still a big need? There's Thornton, Jimmer and IT. You probably just need a more reliable shooter at the SF.

A second PG, a legit starting SF and a shotblocker are the top three needs. (Not in that order.)

I think shooting from a non-guard spot would be helpful. Or at the very least our shooters need to shoot better. Cisco and Jimmer were very underwhelming from 3 this season. Honestly, with the other 'skills' Jimmer brings to the game, or non-skills .. he really needs to shoot lights out .400 + from deep.

 

[Bricklayer]

Is 3pt shooting still a big need? There's Thornton, Jimmer and IT. You probably just need a more reliable shooter at the SF.

A second PG, a legit starting SF and a shotblocker are the top three needs. (Not in that order.)

Well, despite the alleged three point shooters on paper we still finished 29th out of 30 teams in 3pt% as a team, so you can see how that might be a concern.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/#!/mr_jasonjones


Jason Jones has been teasing his Petrie Q&A for a few days now, but just tweeted some of the basics. Most noticeably, team needs. I think any one of our posters could have said the same thing, but it's nice to hear it from the boss - 3pt shooting and a defensive big are clear needs for this team.

And now that he's acknowledging the problem, I'll be interested to see how he tries to fix it.

Just as an aside .. Dalembert could be an option again. I'm guessing Houston will not pick up his option after a less then stellar season. He'll come cheaper this time around too.

Rather go after the guy they brought in to take his starting role.

 

[SacTownKid]

Disagree. Cousins on offense can post, high post, penetrate, shoot jumpers, basically, he can do it all for a big. All you're really looking for is a big body who can hit the offensive glass and set screens on offense. Yes, a big that can shoot 3's is a better fit on the offensive end. But Petrie is talking about a rim protector next to Cousins.

Can you name a better shot blocker that is semi-available?

Have to agree, this team would have been better off keeping Daly with those choices. Just too big and plodding, you can't rely on Cousins to defend the pick and roll every time and ask him to be your go to player.

There are plenty of options, luckily for this team most of whom are in the draft:

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, and John Henson are ideal fits. Now Henson might be the only one available when the Kings pick but he'd do. Noted for his pick and roll defense as well.

 

[bajaden]

Camby is unfortunately 76 years old.

And as I mentioned with Ilyasova, the Ryan Anderson/Rashard Lewis nonsense is a major reason why Orlando failed and their franchise center has turned into a debacle. When you get a franchise center you pair him with another tough inside player, in this case a shotblocker. Otherwise you just pee away the whole advantage having a franchise center gives you. I know you meant Camby as that guy, but its hard to say a guy paying AARP dues as much more than the most temporary of solutions.

I don't know how many times you've seen Ilyasova play, but he's a pretty tough player that doesn't shy away from contact. Just because he's a very good 3 pt shooter, doesn't mean thats all he does. He only averages around 2 3pt attempts a game. He's also a very good rebounder, and its hard to rebound from the 3pt line. Now if you want to say he's not a prolific shotblocker, I'll agree with that. Unfortuantely, there aren't that many good shotblockers out there that are available.

 

[bajaden]

Have to agree, this team would have been better off keeping Daly with those choices. Just too big and plodding, you can't rely on Cousins to defend the pick and roll every time and ask him to be your go to player.

There are plenty of options, luckily for this team most of whom are in the draft:

Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, and John Henson are ideal fits. Now Henson might be the only one available when the Kings pick but he'd do. Noted for his pick and roll defense as well.

Problem is, he only weighs 98 pounds.

 

[The_Jamal]

I don't know how many times you've seen Ilyasova play, but he's a pretty tough player that doesn't shy away from contact. Just because he's a very good 3 pt shooter, doesn't mean thats all he does. He only averages around 2 3pt attempts a game. He's also a very good rebounder, and its hard to rebound from the 3pt line. Now if you want to say he's not a prolific shotblocker, I'll agree with that. Unfortuantely, there aren't that many good shotblockers out there that are available.

Ryan Anderson is the exact same way. He's a strong rebounder who's an excellent post defender. Brick just assume's those 2 guys are like Bargs or Lewis because they shoot 3s.

 

[Bricklayer]

Ryan Anderson is the exact same way. He's a strong rebounder who's an excellent post defender. Brick just assume's those 2 guys are like Bargs or Lewis because they shoot 3s.

I know exactly what those players are. And tough or not, they are perimeter players on offense. And they lack bulk on defense. They aren't interior warriors.

And the more relevant critique is WE NEED A SHOTBLOCKER. Thats not negotiable. The need is so powerful even Petrie, who wouldn't know one if there was one sitting on his face right now, has recognized the need. And neither Anderson nor Ilyasova is that.

Now if the front office is truly willing to give up on Jason, and say goes out and drafts Drummond, or reaquires Dalembert, or whatever. And then instead of brinign back Jason they wanted to bring in Anderson or Lyasova as the third big, a stretch "4"...well that's an idea at least to add shooting. Unfortuantely its an idea that leaves us in the same boat we were this year wiht only two legit bigs and then having to smallball, but its an idea.

 

[SacTownKid]

Problem is, he only weighs 98 pounds.

He's bulked up quite a bit. He and Davis will probably be about equal at the combine.

 

[The_Jamal]

I know exactly what those players are. And tough or not, they are perimeter players on offense. And they lack bulk on defense. They aren't interior warriors.

And the more relevant critique is WE NEED A SHOTBLOCKER. Thats not negotiable. The need is so powerful even Petrie, who wouldn't know one if there was one sitting on his face right now, has recognized the need. And neither Anderson nor Ilyasova is that.

Now if the front office is truly willing to give up on Jason, and say goes out and drafts Drummond, or reaquires Dalembert, or whatever. And then instead of brinign back Jason they wanted to bring in Anderson or Lyasova as the third big, a stretch "4"...well that's an idea at least to add shooting. Unfortuantely its an idea that leaves us in the same boat we were this year wiht only two legit bigs and then having to smallball, but its an idea.

This is where you are wrong once again. Ily and Ryan Anderson are NOT "small-ball". Both guys are more than willing to bang on defense, rebound well, and be incredibly efficient offensive players. Not to mention, they fit absolutely perfectly with our core pieces and mask a lot of our offensive problems.

You're love affair with Dally never ceases to make me laugh. The dude got replaced by the 100 year old Camby and once again failed to make an sort of impact on a team. I agree we need a rim presence of that sort, but we should try and start adding good players to this team.