Petrie Identifying team needs (Rim protector!)

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/#!/mr_jasonjones

Kings' offseason priorities? Someone to protect the rim and better 3-pt shooting.

Jason Jones has been teasing his Petrie Q&A for a few days now, but just tweeted some of the basics. Most noticeably, team needs. I think any one of our posters could have said the same thing, but it's nice to hear it from the boss - 3pt shooting and a defensive big are clear needs for this team.

And now that he's acknowledging the problem, I'll be interested to see how he tries to fix it.

Just as an aside .. Dalembert could be an option again. I'm guessing Houston will not pick up his option after a less then stellar season. He'll come cheaper this time around too.

 

[upinsmoke]

Dally for Hayes straight up and I will LMAO!

 

[Bricklayer]

I have two names that I think might be acquirable, depending on how circumstances work out: Anthony Morrow and Mike Miller. Morrow if New Jersey loses Deron and has to rebuild. Miller if Miami comes up short again and wants the financial releif while they chase bigs.

 

[Tetsujin]

I have two names that I think might be acquirable, depending on how circumstances work out: Anthony Morrow and Mike Miller. Morrow if New Jersey loses Deron and has to rebuild. Miller if Miami comes up short again and wants the financial releif while they chase bigs.

I don't know if NJ would immediately try to rebuild even after losing D-Will. With GW still on the team and Lopez hopefully returning next year, its conceivable that they'd try ride the mediocrity train for the first year in their new arena and pull off a playoff seed. Not having their draft pick this year also complicates matters for them.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't know if NJ would immediately try to rebuild even after losing D-Will. With GW still on the team and Lopez hopefully returning next year, its conceivable that they'd try ride the mediocrity train for the first year in their new arena and pull off a playoff seed. Not having their draft pick this year also complicates matters for them.

Gerald's a free agent. Highly doubtful he comes back unless they can keep Deron.

I even have specific thoughts on that one actually. Controversial perhaps, but here's my theory:

if Deron leaves, and Gerald with him, then that team is back to Lopez, Humphries and maybe Marshon Brooks. They are also headed to Brooklyn and are going to want to draw fans. My answer? Trade Jimmer for Morrow. If we can add in a Hayes or Salmons as part of a larger deal great (obviously they just dumped Outlaw and won't want him back -- have no idea why they would want Hayes either, but could replace Sheldon Williams maybe. Salmons could replace Gerald.

Anyway, so Jimmer for Morrow. But, you may say, Jimmer is one of our better 3pt shoters. Yes, he is But its awkward. With IT and Reke on the team and his ballhandling misadventures he really shouldn't be running much PG and as a SG he is helpless defensively and not really a pure spot up shooter anywway. The 3pt shoting we need is from a great spot shooter to hit on kickouts. IN any case, the argument goes that the Nets, having lost their PG, might be up for a little attempted Jimmermania in their new building. And people forget, Jimmer is an upstate NY boy, not a Utah boy.

 

[bajaden]

Gerald's a freee agent. Highly doubtful he comes back unless they can keep Deron.

Been reading the New Jersey newspapers, and for what its worth, D Will is rumored to be saying that he'll resign with the team if they can take some steps toward contending. One of those steps is resigning G. Wallace to a 4 or 5 yr contract. Gerald's contract for next year is a Player option, and apparently the Nets have told him that the only way they can give him what he wants, is for him to opt out and then they can give him a 5 yr deal, as opposed to a 3 yr extension, is he stays status quo.

I dont know how much truth is in the article, but some of it makes sense, especially the part about Wallace opting out. Of course, that doesn't mean another team (the Kings) couldn't make an offer that the Nets don't want to match. Besides Wallace, they have D Will and Lopez on their plate.

 

[Gary]

I have two names that I think might be acquirable, depending on how circumstances work out: Anthony Morrow and Mike Miller. Morrow if New Jersey loses Deron and has to rebuild. Miller if Miami comes up short again and wants the financial releif while they chase bigs.

Steve Novak..

One of the best 3pt shooters I have ever seen and I have been watching him since college. He would work GREAT if we got him for bench purposes and IT were sent to the bench. IT could drive and kick to him all day and Novak could rain threes on the opposing teams.

I would only want Novak if we had a real PG on the second team though. I value Novak more than putting him on a team that can't get him the ball.

I do like Miller (although for some reason my mom hates him). Not a huge fan of Morrow. I could see him getting a few starts then the King fans anointing him the next coming of Jordan or something. He plays very well in spurts.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

obviously they just dumped Outlaw and won't want him back

Also, they can't get him back until his current contract expires (or would expire, if he's waived) under the rules of the amnesty. Keeps teams from being able to dump a guy's contract off their salary cap and then sign him back cheap in a back-room deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

Steve Novak..

One of the best 3pt shooters I have ever seen and I have been watching him since college. He would work GREAT if we got him for bench purposes and IT were sent to the bench. IT could drive and kick to him all day and Novak could rain threes on the opposing teams.

I would only want Novak if we had a real PG on the second team though. I value Novak more than putting him on a team that can't get him the ball.

I do like Miller (although for some reason my mom hates him). Not a huge fan of Morrow. I could see him getting a few starts then the King fans anointing him the next coming of Jordan or something. He plays very well in spurts.

I agree Steve Novak is a great 3pt shooter. Unfortunately he's not that helpful of one because he's terrible at anything else and can't defend any positon. I think/assume when we say we need more 3pt shooting its us saying we need more 3pt shooting that can actually play during important stretches of the game as mainline rotation guys, even starters. Novak is almost a gimmick.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I have two names that I think might be acquirable, depending on how circumstances work out: Anthony Morrow and Mike Miller. Morrow if New Jersey loses Deron and has to rebuild. Miller if Miami comes up short again and wants the financial releif while they chase bigs.

Morrow seems to be more of a SG than SF, and we have plenty of SGs masquerading as SFs as it is. Miller is interesting, and in his prime would have been almost an ideal fit--lights out shooter and decent passer at the 3. Does he have much left, though?

 

[ParniValjak]

Morrow's shooting would obviously help and he does come at a reasonable price contract wise and an trade for Jimmer could very well be an option.

I still see us in major funk in terms of being able to pull anything of significance. The situations itself would not be bad if we had owners who had money to spend but with current ownership it will be a challenge to keep the key pieces from this roster together let alone add any good pieces going forward.

Dally for Hayes straight up and I will LMAO!

Where do I sign?!

The front office would never go there though. It would be a major facepalm moment for them. Blind Freddy could see last season that we needed a ring protector but we went after a ground bound undersized C where our PG at the time was the same size. Awkward!

 

[Bricklayer]

Morrow seems to be more of a SG than SF, and we have plenty of SGs masquerading as SFs as it is. Miller is interesting, and in his prime would have been almost an ideal fit--lights out shooter and decent passer at the 3. Does he have much left, though?

I'm not looking for more than about 20-25 min a night. We ned a Kyle Korver is what we need.

 

[SacKings7]

Morrow seems to be more of a SG than SF, and we have plenty of SGs masquerading as SFs as it is. Miller is interesting, and in his prime would have been almost an ideal fit--lights out shooter and decent passer at the 3. Does he have much left, though?

Miller can still bring it if given the playing time. Staying healthy is his biggest problem.

I'd love to have Gallinari but there's little chance Denver would let him get away. Other options might be Carlos Delfino, Ersan Ilyasova, CJ Miles perhaps?

 

[Bricklayer]

Miller can still bring it if given the playing time. Staying healthy is his biggest problem.

I'd love to have Gallinari but there's little chance Denver would let him get away. Other options might be Carlos Delfino, Ersan Ilyasova, CJ Miles perhaps?

Nobody shaky. Nobody who even MIGHT suddenly have a sub 35% year, or who isn't used to chucking up 4+ 3ptrs a game. If we're serious about a shooter, great. Let's go get one. Somebody who knows that's his main job, who is routinely going to hit 40% of them, and who is strong enough all around that you can play him 20+min without getting horribly punished for it. Now the thing is, in my world that person could end up replacing Thornton, who this yer shot sub-35% from 3pt land as more volume than accuracy. And that's a wild and wacky and risky world to live in. But if next year we trotted out IT, Reke, the mega shooter, and Terrence Williams as perhaps 4/5 of the small player rotation, that might be the way to go. With Marcus bringing us back a tasty frontcourt piece perhaps. Maybe. I dunno. I jsut know the shooter has to replace SOMEBODY who was already getting minutes, or he's not going to do us any good.

 

[Gary]

I agree Steve Novak is a great 3pt shooter. Unfortunately he's not that helpful of one because he's terrible at anything else and can't defend any positon. I think/assume when we say we need more 3pt shooting its us saying we need more 3pt shooting that can actually play during important stretches of the game as mainline rotation guys, even starters. Novak is almost a gimmick.

He's good at the catch dribble once or twice and shoot (if someone is in his face when he gets the ball). He's also above average on passing skills (when he passes.. no bad looking turnovers) but he does not pass much, because he's told to shoot when he gets the ball .

But he's just there to give us 3pt shooting off the bench. He doesn't drive to the basket, he's not fast enough to guard SFs and not strong enough to guard PFs.

Basically I would say he's Peja when it comes to shooting (When he shoots you know it's going in), but has no other quality Peja had. He's probably better off on a team that's already good that can use a 3pt shooter off the bench than a team like ours that's building though. He would have worked well for the 2001-2002 Kings team.

His Nickname BTW is "Instant Assist" because you know when he shoots it's going in Serious too.. that's really his nickname lol.

 

[Gary]

Ohhh.. Forgot to mention prying Jordan Hamilton away from Denver. He's a SF with great spot shooting skills and moves REAL well without the ball. He's a bit streaky, but he's only going into his second year. I would love to have him on the Kings for a tryout, but I don't think at this point he would give us much more than a consistent Outlaw could give us. Not to mention his defense isn't the greatest yet.

 

[ParniValjak]

Nobody shaky. Nobody who even MIGHT suddenly have a sub 35% year, or who isn't used to chucking up 4+ 3ptrs a game. If we're serious about a shooter, great. Let's go get one. Somebody who knows that's his main job, who is routinely going to hit 40% of them, and who is strong enough all around that you can play him 20+min without getting horribly punished for it. Now the thing is, in my world that person could end up replacing Thornton, who this yer shot sub-35% from 3pt land as more volume than accuracy. And that's a wild and wacky and risky world to live in. But if next year we trotted out IT, Reke, the mega shooter, and Terrence Williams as perhaps 4/5 of the small player rotation, that might be the way to go. With Marcus bringing us back a tasty frontcourt piece perhaps. Maybe. I dunno. I jsut know the shooter has to replace SOMEBODY who was already getting minutes, or he's not going to do us any good.

What would be your thought on Batum and how he would fit into that IT-Reke mix?

 

[Bricklayer]

What would be your thought on Batum and how he would fit into that IT-Reke mix?

Just a fantasy unfortunately. Potland won't give him up so I was jsut restricting myself to peeps I can make an excuse for why they might be available.

 

[est.1999]

We suck.

 

[bajaden]

Ohhh.. Forgot to mention prying Jordan Hamilton away from Denver. He's a SF with great spot shooting skills and moves REAL well without the ball. He's a bit streaky, but he's only going into his second year. I would love to have him on the Kings for a tryout, but I don't think at this point he would give us much more than a consistent Outlaw could give us. Not to mention his defense isn't the greatest yet.

Hamiliton was one of my favorites. He is a little streaky, but as you said, he's young. He's great coming off of screens with a quick release. His streakiness comes, in my opinion, when his shot gets flat. Something he was prone to throughout his college career. Pretty good rebounder for a SF and a very good post up player..

 

[Kings Faithful]

Ilyasova...good shooter, good rebounder, tall, versatile... yes plz.

 

[ParniValjak]

Ilyasova...good shooter, good rebounder, tall, versatile... yes plz.

Burning question in all this Ilyasova love...Can he DEFEND small forwards?!

VERY good player but I am not convinced he is what this team needs defensively.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I agree Steve Novak is a great 3pt shooter. Unfortunately he's not that helpful of one because he's terrible at anything else and can't defend any positon. I think/assume when we say we need more 3pt shooting its us saying we need more 3pt shooting that can actually play during important stretches of the game as mainline rotation guys, even starters. Novak is almost a gimmick.

I see. So you are saying you hate Jim Les.

 

[The_Jamal]

Burning question in all this Ilyasova love...Can he DEFEND small forwards?!

VERY good player but I am not convinced he is what this team needs defensively.

No and nor should we play him at SF. He's a brilliant rebounder, great post defender, and is the absolute perfect offensive compliment to Boogie on offense. Ily would make a great addition to this squad as our starting 4

 

[Bricklayer]

I see. So you are saying you hate Jim Les.

I am the only person on the planet who ever had a Jim Les jersey made in fact (for my brother). "Jim Les for three!" was a common playground joke throughout my younger years. But that what it was, mostly a joke. Half a year of effectiveness, thereafter...

Novak may even be worse. Him getting time in New York is just an indication of why the Knicks will never be good either. I could, and cheerfully would, run some fo these franchsies for these buffoons at twice the effectiveness and half the cost.

 

[The_Jamal]

I am the only person on the planet who ever had a Jim Les jersey made in fact (for my brother). "Jim Les for three!" was a common playground joke throughout my younger years. But that what it was, mostly a joke. Half a year of effectiveness, thereafter...

Novak may even be worse. Him getting time in New York is just an indication of why the Knicks will never be good either. I could, and cheerfully would, run some fo these franchsies for these buffoons at twice the effectiveness and half the cost.

You wouldn't last very long as a GM if you turn down one of the most effective bench scorers in basketball. He's not anything above a 20 min. a game type of player, but I would gladly take his insane efficiency/3pt numbers any day of the week.

 

[Bricklayer]

No and nor should we play him at SF. He's a brilliant rebounder, great post defender, and is the absolute perfect offensive compliment to Boogie on offense. Ily would make a great addition to this squad as our starting 4

1) smallball is for losers

2) the Orlando Magic are losers and have ruined their future, and its mostly because they were too stupid to study the history of the great centers' wingmen. It is NOT a 3pt bomber. It is a midrange faceup shooter who defends the hell out of things. Its Charles Oakley or PJ Brown, not a blown up SF.

Now Ilyasova is interesting because he was surprisingly able to rebound last year. If he could keep that up he could be somebody's wingman. The problem is, likely not ours, because what we NEED out of the wingman, is the rim protector -- there is no such thing as a great team without one. And that is Boogie's achilles heel -- most of the great centers throughout league history could protect the rim. Cuz really can't. So that means his PF has to. And Ilyasova isn't up to it either. Will say this, if we were unable to resign Jason, and if we got a real stud of a rim protector to stick next to Cousins, you could do a lot worse than Ilyasova as your big #3. But given that he will cost a lot more than Jason and we don't have the advantage we do with Jason of him being restricted, don't see how we would end up with him instead of Jason as a #3.

 

[Bricklayer]

You wouldn't last very long as a GM if you turn down one of the most effective bench scorers in basketball. He's not anything above a 20 min. a game type of player, but I would gladly take his insane efficiency/3pt numbers any day of the week.

Lol.

 

[Arkitect]

No and nor should we play him at SF. He's a brilliant rebounder, great post defender, and is the absolute perfect offensive compliment to Boogie on offense. Ily would make a great addition to this squad as our starting 4

The problem with Ilyasova is that I don't know how he fits in our starting lineup. We need a power forward who is an excellent help defender to cover for DMCs lack of shot blocking and general lack of defense right now. Someone like Anthony Davis or Ibaka. So that means putting Ilyasova at the 3. I haven't seen him play that much so I don't know if he has the quickness to guard the faster 3s. You could also play him spot minutes at the 4 to spread the floor for DMC a bit with his 3 point shooting. Definitely should take a look at him though.

 

[Kingster]

Better 3 point shooting? As in a 3 pt shooting bench guy specialist? Or a starter, one who is expected to finish games? And who's place is this new body supposed to take exactly? Jimmer, who was drafted as a 3 pt shooter? That one doesn't seem to hold water. You're replacing one 3 pt shooter with another. Unless, they think Jimmer has no hope; but Jimmer's late season push, as well as Reynold's comments, would argue against that.

I wonder who's on the short list for rim protectors? And again, is this a bench guy specialist, or is this a guy that will be finishing games?