Petrie DOES know what he's doing

[SugaJax]

Now, I preface this with the fact that no man can 100% predict injuries, but one CAN make judgements based on injury probabilities.

With Doug Christie injured for Orlando, Webber ailing as always (and who knows when the next big shoe will drop?), I think it's safe to say that Geoff Petrie has made some very shrewd trades this year. Experience for Youth/Health.

Now that Big Brad has gone down, we would have been left with Webber and Ostertag (and maybe Songaila) to fill the center spot (Ostertag being Geoff's one major mistake in recent memory). Instead, we have Skinner, Thomas and Williamson (plus 'Tag and Songaila) to give us flexibility and depth while we wait for Miller to get back.

This is when trades like Webber-to-Philly can obviously be seen as a success. These are exactly the situations that Petrie knew were a possibility and the reason why he pulled the trigger.

Cheers to Petrie, for thinking ahead and thinking young and versatile.

 

[Crackerman]

I agree.... Welcome to the board..

 

[Kingsgurl]

Webb's ailing?

 

[NoBonus]

I wouldn't say that Ostertag was a major mistake. I think Petrie choose Tag over Vlade and that has paid off; I am not sure there were many other choices. Sure Tag does not fit in and is not playing much, but at least he is available to play. Vlade has been out all season.

 

[VF21]

This is when trades like Webber-to-Philly can obviously be seen as a success. These are exactly the situations that Petrie knew were a possibility and the reason why he pulled the trigger.

It is WAY too early to judge the trade a success, and your comment that Webber is ailing is flat out wrong. In addition, I am totally confused by your statement above. You really think Petrie considered a future MIller injury to be worth trading Webber for?

Granted, there were a lot of reasons for the Webber trade AND it may well have been the right but difficult thing to do, but to try and say it was so we'd have more back-ups for Brad Miller in case he got injured is just silly.

 

[Rowdyone]

I think the signing of Tag after Vlade decided to leave is defensible since as far as anyone knew then we'd be still battling L.A. for the WC lead and we would have had Shaq/Vlade to deal with and few, if any, FA big men available so his 6 fouls could have been very valuable to keep Brad in the games in which we faced them.

 

[Crackerman]

^^^I don't think that he did it to have a backup in case of an Injury to Brad, but it does give more flexability to a team that is injury prone. But most of all more flexability even if there is not injury. The team now has a much deeper bench.

I still miss Webb though....

 

[Kingsgurl]

Almost as silly as saying the trade obviously messed up the space/time continuim and Brad wouldn't have snapped his leg like a chicken bone if he hadn't banged it against that chair in Philly going AGAINST Webb for the rebound Maybe the trade set in motion a series of events which led to Brad being injured that wouldn't have occured had the deal not been done. Wait, maybe that isn't all that silly.

 

[VF21]

What is this ridiculous fascination with depth?

Yeah, depth is fine but I don't think Geoff Petrie traded away a 20/10/5 premiere PF for depth, especially if you consider how Skinner was buried deep on the Philly bench and hadn't done much of anything.

Depth on the bench is fine, but you sure need a strong starting five to "start" with. You can have a tremendous bench, but if your starters aren't competitive with the other starters in the league, all the role-players in the world aren't going to do you much good.

 

[Crackerman]

Nice Back to the Future reference Kingsgurl.... How does the Flux Capacitor fit into to your theory????

 

[Kingsgurl]

I haven't figured that out yet, but I am fairly certain that the whole deal was actually caused by Ashton Kutcher...., er Kyle Korver doing his butterfly effect dealy.

 

[SugaJax]

It is WAY too early to judge the trade a success, and your comment that Webber is ailing is flat out wrong. In addition, I am totally confused by your statement above. You really think Petrie considered a future MIller injury to be worth trading Webber for?

Granted, there were a lot of reasons for the Webber trade AND it may well have been the right but difficult thing to do, but to try and say it was so we'd have more back-ups for Brad Miller in case he got injured is just silly.

My point was that we traded for versatility and depth, something we were lacking. I don't presume that Geoff has a crystal ball hidden in his office. Sac is injury prone and Webb is not specifically ailing but he certainly can't jump/defend as well as he could before.

Big Picture. That's what I'm commending Petrie for.

Doug was old, Webb was old (at least his body is, even if his birth certificate says he's only 32). The NBA takes its toll on bodies. You can't dispute that.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Big Picture. That's what I'm commending Petrie for.

So, by Big Picture, are you referring to our chances THIS year, or our flexibility down the road for next year?

 

[VF21]

My point was that we traded for versatility and depth, something we were lacking. I don't presume that Geoff has a crystal ball hidden in his office. Sac is injury prone and Webb is not specifically ailing but he certainly can't jump/defend as well as he could before.

Big Picture. That's what I'm commending Petrie for.

Doug was old, Webb was old (at least his body is, even if his birth certificate says he's only 32). The NBA takes its toll on bodies. You can't dispute that.

So basically this is just another rehash of the discussions we had shortly after the trade?

Webber can't jump or defend but he had adapted his game.

You know what? I'm not going to try and defend Webber at this juncture because, quite frankly, he doesn't need it. I will accept Petrie's decision in this matter because the Maloofs made it very clear they had decided to rebuild the team.

I just don't think it's necessary to try and reduce Webber's talents, abilities, contributions, etc. to justify the move.

 

[EmKingsFan4]

I don't feel that Webb is ailing, but I do think Petrie felt that Chris would not be able to give us what we paid for when we signed his 7 year contract pre-injury. I don't know what they have in mind for our team in the coming 05-06 season but I do trust their judgement, after all Petrie was the one who built the wonderful team that we had in the first place. But I'm going to hold back on giving grades on these trades until the dust has truly settled.

 

[whozit]

Depth on the bench is fine, but you sure need a strong starting five to "start" with. You can have a tremendous bench, but if your starters aren't competitive with the other starters in the league, all the role-players in the world aren't going to do you much good.

There was a valid question on whether the King's starting five were still competitive to the other Western elite teams. The team wasn't showing much defense and had a losing record against the top teams. The depth acquired gives the team flexibility in having parts to work with for the future. I do not believe it was made in case of injury to Miller.

Whether or not the pre-trade(s) Kings could have made serious noise in the post-season is now a question that can't be answered with absolute certainty, one way or the other.

 

[piksi]

I haven't figured that out yet, but I am fairly certain that the whole deal was actually caused by Ashton Kutcher...., er Kyle Korver doing his butterfly effect dealy.

I am pretty sure that Finley is responsible for this one too.

 

[SugaJax]

So, by Big Picture, are you referring to our chances THIS year, or our flexibility down the road for next year?

I'm referring to flexibility down the road - on the court (and in the Maloofs pocket book too, although not part of my original issue)

But still, I think this team is better off this season without Webb also - my personal opinion. I love the guy (I went to Michigan in the early 90s), but I don't think he was the best fit anymore.

 

[VF21]

There was a valid question on whether the King's starting five were still competitive to the other Western elite teams. The team wasn't showing much defense and had a losing record against the top teams. The depth acquired gives the team flexibility in having parts to work with for the future. I do not believe it was made in case of injury to Miller.

Whether or not the pre-trade(s) Kings could have made serious noise in the post-season is now a question that can't be answered with absolute certainty, one way or the other.

In all fairness, the "defense" went belly up the day Doug Christie left town.

But I'm not going to argue the past. This is now a team in flux. It is a team in transition and it's a team trying to find its own identity in a very short time before they have to meet some extremely tough competition in the playoffs.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I'm referring to flexibility down the road - on the court (and in the Maloofs pocket book too, although not part of my original issue)

But still, I think this team is better off this season without Webb also - my personal opinion. I love the guy (I went to Michigan in the early 90s), but I don't think he was the best fit anymore.

I think we are deeper, certainly, but I don't see how we match up better with the teams above us (and the fact that there are MORE of those teams now than there were leads me to believe we aren't, after all, a better team, merely different)
I see big changes in the off season, Petrie will have to do some serious work, I don't see this line-up as being serious contenders, or even semi-serious contenders. Then again, that's why we have Petrie.

 

[Kings-Lakers-Fan]

As for the trade, AT THIS POINT, based upon the injuries of doug christie I like that trade, but I do beleive that the doug injury was a fluke. Second, the webb trade, if chris would be here in Sac-To, he wouldn't be gettin those poor numbers each night, he would be top form. Granted, I also think that the second trade was good for Geoff. Maybe I'm just optimistic or too naive, I think the moves are great. However, the only way to judge the success of these moves is too wait ATLEAST till the post-season and possibly till nxt year. Cheers.

 

[SacTownKid]

It is WAY too early to judge the trade a success, and your comment that Webber is ailing is flat out wrong. In addition, I am totally confused by your statement above. You really think Petrie considered a future MIller injury to be worth trading Webber for?

Granted, there were a lot of reasons for the Webber trade AND it may well have been the right but difficult thing to do, but to try and say it was so we'd have more back-ups for Brad Miller in case he got injured is just silly.

This is the Sacramento Kings and I am sure the thought of injury came into mind when considering the trades. Maybe not the Miller injury specifically but injuries none the less. That is why you try to have depth on a team. Knowing you can patch up holes on your team is a big plus.

 

[Crackerman]

^^^^Prepare to be bashed...

 

[SacTownKid]

^^^^Prepare to be bashed...

I welcome it with open arms.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

At some point, maybe right now, isn't this all getting a wee bit redundant?

 

[whozit]

I have read the arguement that the players acquired will be difficult to be moved. (if they are moved at all) I have read that we could lose Mobley for nothing because there will be a fair number of teams under the cap. I have read that the team won't be able to upgrade from "journeyman players." Point two may negate point one.

I would suppose that the fact that a fair number of teams will be under the cap could become an opportunity. It is possible that teams will be willing to accept less in fear of losing a top player for nothing. When there is only a couple of teams under the cap and they are not contenders it makes it a sellers market. Teams don't have to worry about losing players due to lack of available buyers. With more teams in the buying mode, the risk of loss is greater. The teams at risk of losing player(s) may become more flexible. They may even still accept a call from Mr. Petrie.

 

[VF21]

This is the Sacramento Kings and I am sure the thought of injury came into mind when considering the trades. Maybe not the Miller injury specifically but injuries none the less. That is why you try to have depth on a team. Knowing you can patch up holes on your team is a big plus.

I know why teams try to have depth. And I also know that without a strong starting five, it doesn't matter what you have or don't have on the bench.

The only way these trades make any sense at all is if they're the start of something much more interesting - and I think they are.

Geoff Petrie didn't get rid of Vlade, Doug and Chris so the Kings could end up a mediocre but entertaining team.

 

[whozit]

The only way these trades make any sense at all is if they're the start of something much more interesting - and I think they are.

Yup, change can be good.

 

[whozit]

In the meantime, I like the Kings players from Bibby down to Daniels. I think they have a challenge and hopefully they will raise some eyebrows and ....

 

[BigWaxer]

I know why teams try to have depth. And I also know that without a strong starting five, it doesn't matter what you have or don't have on the bench.

The only way these trades make any sense at all is if they're the start of something much more interesting - and I think they are.

Geoff Petrie didn't get rid of Vlade, Doug and Chris so the Kings could end up a mediocre but entertaining team.

That is a 100% I agree..