Peja's shooting vs Ray Allen

[rnmeuy]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks of Ray Allen's shooting. Whenever anyone mentions the best shooters, they usually say Peja. I think Ray Allen has a pretty good shot too, but don't hear his name as often. Why do you think that is? I'm a Peja fan, so I'm biased and think Peja is the better shooter, But when I look at the numbers Ray puts up, I second guess myself and wonder why Ray Allen doesn't get more notice.
What does everyone else think?

 

[Viking]

Kings are a more popular team right now.

 

[fakie]

ray allen this year :
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
9 9 39.3 .500 .564 .905 .80 3.90 4.70 3.6 1.44 .00 2.56 2.80 25.9

peja this year:
G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
8 8 38.9 .419 .321 .903 .80 3.40 4.10 1.6 1.63 .38 1.63 2.60 19.3

i know it seems taht ray allen is doing better than peja, but given what we know peja is capable of doing, and his performance over the last 3 games, i say those numbers will change very much very soon.
peja is a better shooter. can't say the same about his defense but if you just look at his ability in offense, i think he's a better shooter.
i think i hear about peja more because of his three point champion titles, and that he's just more fun to watch. he's already impressed on people's minds ( and that i am a biased kings fan ). ray allen is a good shooting kid, he propbably just needs his moment to shine.

 

[Bricklayer]

3-4 years ago Ray got plenty of press -- he was arguably the best at that time. And he really still is one of the very best -- the gap between Peja and other shooters like Ray just isn't that large. But Peja has been more consistent recently, healthier, and generally has had the bigger spotlight to perform in.

 

[KingKong]

I don't know what it is, but there is something in the mechanics of Peja's shot that makes it seem like it's going in everytime he releases it. Except for the first few games I think Peja is more consistent of the two.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

As of right now, i am seeing that Ray Allen's shooting is much smoother than Peja's (As of now) but i wouldnt made that argument last year.

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

It's a simple fact that, as Brick said, Peja has gotten more time in the spotlight. His team in the past has been far more successful than any that featured Ray Allen. If I had to decide though, I'd say that Peja is better than Ray as a pure shooter. On the flip side, I'd venture to say that Ray is a more rounded player with his defense, passing ability, and overall ability to work with the ball in his hand.

 

[LjuboDaMan]

It's a simple fact that, as Brick said, Peja has gotten more time in the spotlight. His team in the past has been far more successful than any that featured Ray Allen. If I had to decide though, I'd say that Peja is better than Ray as a pure shooter. On the flip side, I'd venture to say that Ray is a more rounded player with his defense, passing ability, and overall ability to work with the ball in his hand.

I agree ...

And Allen is more clutch

 

[Lamar_Odom]

I was just wondering what everyone thinks of Ray Allen's shooting. Whenever anyone mentions the best shooters, they usually say Peja. I think Ray Allen has a pretty good shot too, but don't hear his name as often. Why do you think that is? I'm a Peja fan, so I'm biased and think Peja is the better shooter, But when I look at the numbers Ray puts up, I second guess myself and wonder why Ray Allen doesn't get more notice.
What does everyone else think?

You see Peja more than you see Ray Allen. I bet in Seattle, Sacramento, some fans of Allen have similar thoughts about Peja, wondering why they don't hear about Peja so much.

 

[sloter]

Actually, Allen has more proper form and it appears to me that his shot is faster too. He's definitely a lot more streakier than Pedja, but I'm not sure who's better shooter on average. In either case, these two guys are by far the best shooters in the league.

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

Yes, I neglected to mention that. Ray has a much more pure form (in terms of American standards) than Peja. It's been mentioned many times by many analysts that Peja has a somewhat unorthodox shooting form. It's almost like the ball should rotate sideways, but it ends up looking gorgeous. But hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (Are you listening TIGER??!!)

 

[tetsuo916]

i think the big thing about Ray that people often forget (because of his shooting) is that he's also very athletic... unlike Peja, he does a lot more than shoot and grab a few rebounds.. he sets up his team mates, he's a better ball handler, and he's a better defender

 

[HndsmCelt]

Sorry guys the stats being kicked arround are terribly misleading. Comparing 2 players over a 9 game period is problematc due to sample size and this is a great example of WHY. Allen is currently shooting the lights out, and one look at his stats over his career will tell you that this will not likely last the season. One look at Pedja's career stats will indicate that he has experienced a shooting slump early this year, and that it will not likely last the season. Over all Allens numbers have droped slightly since comming to Seatle, and yes he is older than Pedja who's numbers seem to improve slightly each season. This means one of these guys has yet to peak and one of them has already. If we compare last year as a full season we see:
ray allen last year :
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
56 56 38.4 .440 .392 .904 1.2 3.90 5.10 4.8 1.27 .20 2.79 2.40 23

peja last year:
G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
81 81 40.3 .480 .433 .927 1.1 5.1 6.30 2.1 1.3 .17 1.8 2.60 24.2

Sure Ray only palyed 56 games but they are fairly consistant with his career, and to find better numbers for him you have to go back a couple years. This shows a couple things: Pedja is a better player today than Ray Allen in terms of shoting, rebounding and steals, scores more points more effencitly and has yet to peak. Call me a Homer but I'll take Pedja.

 

[Bricklayer]

Think it was 2000 or 2001 that Ray had a season very much like Peja did last year. But its been a few years, injury problems etc.

Similarities: pure stroke, both are a tad soft
Disimilarities: Peja is bigger, helps him get clean looks and more boards (numerically), and probably a better one on one defender, Ray is faster, more creative, creates for others and himself, and is a better passer and rebounder (for his size/position).

In a structured team I'd probably take Peja because of his size and ability to defend decently -- if you have other people to take care of the rest, Peja can play a role within a system brilliantly. And throw in Ray's injury problems and I'd definitely take Peja. But on an unstructured lower tier team I'd rather have Ray -- can take care of himself by getting himself shots, and his superior playmaking makes the guys around him better to a far greater degree than Peja.

 

[Superman]

I'm not sure that I'd say that Ray Allen is a better defender than Peja. That's certainly not his strong suit.

 

[KA_2]

Peja had an extraordinary season last year, which turned pretty mediocre when Webber came back, all the way into the postseason in fact. And as far as individual postseason success is concerned, you can't take anyone but Allen. Allen's the better overall player when it comes down to it, but it'll take a couple more seasons til to know who's the better shooter.

And Ray Allen doesn't have any injury problems, no more so than Tmac, Kobe or any other superstar guard. What are you referring to Bricklayer?

 

[Superman]

He hasn't played a full season in four years; not even close, aside from 02-03. He's missed 80 games in the past four years.

Compare that with Kobe or McGrady, and you'll see a big difference. Ray Allen misses a lot of time for any player, especially a top-tier guard.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Think it was 2000 or 2001 that Ray had a season very much like Peja did last year. But its been a few years, injury problems etc.

Similarities: pure stroke, both are a tad soft
Disimilarities: Peja is bigger, helps him get clean looks and more boards (numerically), and probably a better one on one defender, Ray is faster, more creative, creates for others and himself, and is a better passer and rebounder (for his size/position).

In a structured team I'd probably take Peja because of his size and ability to defend decently -- if you have other people to take care of the rest, Peja can play a role within a system brilliantly. And throw in Ray's injury problems and I'd definitely take Peja. But on an unstructured lower tier team I'd rather have Ray -- can take care of himself by getting himself shots, and his superior playmaking makes the guys around him better to a far greater degree than Peja.

Brick I am supprised with you. I could have sworn I saw YOU post recnetly observing that Pedja's numbers have been fairly stable since starting in 2000-2001. Last season most of his stats were prety consistant for the season the only remarkable difference being the number of SHOT ATTEMPTS he took. But just for the sake of arguemnt lets say his over all stats realy were elevated, is there any reason to belive it was a one time aberation or could it just as easily be a harbringer of emeging domanace? (at least during the regualr season)

Ok back to my point. Pedja's renound as the leages top sharp shooter is grounded in several recnet seasons of success and a couple 3 point championships. His emergence last season did indeed come fro the absence of Webber and therefor increased shooting opertunities for Pedja.

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick I am supprised with you. I could have sworn I saw YOU post recnetly observing that Pedja's numbers have been fairly stable since starting in 2000-2001. Last season most of his stats were prety consistant for the season the only remarkable difference being the number of SHOT ATTEMPTS he took. But just for the sake of arguemnt lets say his over all stats realy were elevated, is there any reason to belive it was a one time aberation or could it just as easily be a harbringer of emeging domanace? (at least during the regualr season)

Ok back to my point. Pedja's renound as the leages top sharp shooter is grounded in several recnet seasons of success and a couple 3 point championships. His emergence last season did indeed come fro the absence of Webber and therefor increased shooting opertunities for Pedja.

Huh? Not sure what you're saying here?

To the first point -- yes, it is my belief (and the numbes support) that Peja peaked years ago and really hasn't gotten much better since -- jsut getting more shots off has little to do with Peja, and everything to do with offensive scheme. Nor do I expect him to get much better in the future -- my only real hope is that he matures in the postseason the way Webber has and learns how to maintain his play when we need it from him. But not sure what that has to do with my earlier post?