Peja wants out? (Merged)

[Bricklayer]

This was what I was warning/bitching about all summer -- we are in danger with Peja now. Entering the final season of a player's contract is extremely hazardous unless your intention/preference all along is just to let him walk. The situation is almost out of our control, and to lose Peja for nothing would just be a stupid blunder by our GM.

Resign him (another stupid move if its at the expected numbers) or get what you can for him now. This isn't a Webber situation for anybody not letting his personal relationships cloud his professional judgement. There is nothing here that just HAS to be saved for the Kings, either as a player or a team. And thus no justification to risk the future of the franchise over it. Make a call. Go one way or the other. But carrying Peja as an expiring contract past the trade deadline and into the offseason would just be idiotic.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Petrie would be wise to wait untill all-star break, before he decides to make any moves with this team, he can see how we perform and what we need to build on the most. I do think one of the big three will be gone by seasons end. Which one will it be will be determined on play this year.

But if I could get someone for Peja I would wan't Marion, Phoenix would probably wan't to because of the shooting style there aiming for on there team.
But then I think twice about how dangerous that team would be with James, Peja, Bell, Jackson all around the perimeter.

 

[Bricklayer]

Petrie would be wise to wait untill all-star break, before he decides to make any moves with this team, he can see how we perform and what we need to build on the most. I do think one of the big three will be gone by seasons end. Which one will it be will be determined on play this year.

It does NOT MATTER in Peja's case. That's the difference.

You want to wait on making a call on Bibby or Miller? Fine. Whatever. There is no risk to us. They are ours to do with as we please for years now. But Peja can jsut walk away and leave us. And the closer to the trade deadline we get, the weaker our bargaining situation. Its a stupid position to put yourself into. The choices are the same now they will be in 3 months -- pay the man, or trade him. Otherwise he walks. There is no reason to wait. Nothing to be gained. In fact a lot to be lost as Peja increasingly gains a virtual veto over any trade by merely telling the team he is going to that he will walk at the end of the year, and a veto of any contract offere we make by simply threatening to walk unless we pay him his dollar figure.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

It does NOT MATTER in Peja's case. That's the difference.

You want to wait on making a call on Bibby or Miller? Fine. Whatever. There is no risk to us. They are ours to do with as we please for years now. But Peja can jsut walk away and leave us. And the closer to the trade deadline we get, the weaker our bargaining situation. Its a stupid position to put yourself into. The choices are the same now they will be in 3 months -- pay the man, or trade him. Otherwise he walks. There is no reason to wait. Nothing to be gained. In fact a lot to be lost as Peja increasingly gains a virtual veto over any trade by merely telling the team he is going to that he will walk at the end of the year, and a veto of any contract offere we make by simply threatening to walk unless we pay him his dollar figure.

I just don't want Petrie to rush into a stupid move. Peja's trade value isn't exactly that high right now either, maybe he can put together a good first half of the season and get his value up a bit.. Plus if we wait a bit teams can see there defieciencies, and maybe we could get a little more for Peja?

 

[ParniValjak]

Gee all this fuss because of some rumour that started by fanatical PAOK fans in Greesce that would like to see the re-union of their 2 "gods" in Pedja and Skiles.

Please

Unless there is a direct quote from Pedja, his managment or the Kings, this rumour is just that.

 

[Evilmav2]

If y'all are talking about potential Peja trade scenarios, here's one that I think might work out pretty well for the Kings:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic, 6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson,6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Incoming

Ruben Patterson, 6-5 SF from Cincinnati
11.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes

Darius Miles, 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: -6.5 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Portland Trade Breakdown Outgoing

Ruben Patterson, 6-5 SF from Cincinnati
11.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes

Darius Miles, 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.0 minutes

Incoming

Peja Stojakovic, 6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson, 6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and -1.0 apg.
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Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Portland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Portland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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I'd imagine that Portland might well be willing to roll the dice on a trade like this, and I'd further guess that such the actualization of such said trade would greatly shore up the depth and defensive prowess of y'alls small forward rotation.

Furthermore, it seems likely to me that if Adelman was given half a chance (and the remainder of this season's time), he'd be more than capable of integrating the prodigious offensive talents of your hypothetical stable of 'Kings-Blazers", Bonzi, Shareef, Ruben, and Darius, into his proven and venerable version of the Princeton offense, while also eliminating the problems that Peja's manifest defensive deficiencies have caused for your team's defensive schemes over the last few years...

 

[AleksandarN]

This was what I was warning/bitching about all summer -- we are in danger with Peja now. Entering the final season of a player's contract is extremely hazardous unless your intention/preference all along is just to let him walk. The situation is almost out of our control, and to lose Peja for nothing would just be a stupid blunder by our GM.

Resign him (another stupid move if its at the expected numbers) or get what you can for him now. This isn't a Webber situation for anybody not letting his personal relationships cloud his professional judgement. There is nothing here that just HAS to be saved for the Kings, either as a player or a team. And thus no justification to risk the future of the franchise over it. Make a call. Go one way or the other. But carrying Peja as an expiring contract past the trade deadline and into the offseason would just be idiotic.

The thing is we were at the same crossroads a couple years ago with Webber. We signed him alright. I have no worries that we will sign Pedja this offspring. What I dread is the same thing we went through with Webber that year. The media will try and stir the pot I am sure. This not going to be the last rumour about Pedja this season.

 

[Bricklayer]

The thing is we were at the same crossroads a couple years ago with Webber. We signed him alright. I have no worries that we will sign Pedja this offspring. What I dread is the same thing we went through with Webber that year. The media will try and stir the pot I am sure. This not going to be the last rumour about Pedja this season.

No, we really were not at the same crossroads.

That was one of my points. Five years ago with Webber we had an up and coming team just emerging into contention. Webber was the unquestioned leader/superstar in the midst of a year in which he finished 4th in the MVP voting, and we as a team were having our best year in the Sacto franchise history. At that time there was EVERYTHING to save, both for the special player, and for the exciting young team that the very next year would land in the WCF.

None of that is true now. Peja is not that level of player. We are not that level of team. We are in the midst of a miserable start. At a true crossroads. Losing Webber in '01 would have scuttled everything we had going just as it came to fruition. Losing Peja now scuttles nothing, because we have nothing much to scuttle.

And just as importantly a) Webber wasn't going to resign with us until he hit the FA market. We had no choice but to either trade him or hang on. We have more choices now with Peja; b) we could severely outbid every other team for Webber's services becuase his contract predated the '99 collective bargaining agreemnet. We can NOT now. We don't have the same advantage. All we can offer Peja is an extra year. c) all that was young , exciting, great future etc. in '01 is old, stale and turning sour now. Webb truly had no place with a more exciting future to go to. Peja will have MANY.

If we have to trade Peja its just trading a player, not trading the franchise. If the risk was 10% he would walk, it STILL wouldn't be worth taking. If its 50% or whatever, maybe more, there is not even a question. You just trade him and the franchise goes on.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Possible Peja deals: in the order of good, bad, and ugly.

Note: These are either Peja or Peja/KT deals, as per this discussion. I don't want bigger rebuilding deals to take over the thread.

1. Peja for Artest (if Indy will even do it anymore, doubtful)

2. Peja/KT for Pierce

3. Peja for Maggette

4. Peja for Odom (if LA will do it, doubtful)

5. Peja for Rueben Patterson/Przybilla

6. Peja/draft pick for Al Harrington/Josh Smith

7. Peja for Deng/Nicioni

8. Peja for Aaron Williams/Joey Graham/Charlie Villanueva

9. Peja/KT for P.J. Brown/Desmond Mason

10. Peja for Q-Rich

 

[piksi]

If y'all are talking about potential Peja trade scenarios, here's one that I think might work out pretty well for the Kings:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic, 6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson,6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Incoming

Ruben Patterson, 6-5 SF from Cincinnati
11.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes

Darius Miles, 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: -6.5 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Portland Trade Breakdown Outgoing

Ruben Patterson, 6-5 SF from Cincinnati
11.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 28.0 minutes

Darius Miles, 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
12.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 27.0 minutes

Incoming

Peja Stojakovic, 6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson, 6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, -0.7 rpg, and -1.0 apg.
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Successful ScenarioDue to Sacramento and Portland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Portland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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I'd imagine that Portland might well be willing to roll the dice on a trade like this, and I'd further guess that such the actualization of such said trade would greatly shore up the depth and defensive prowess of y'alls small forward rotation.

Furthermore, it seems likely to me that if Adelman was given half a chance (and the remainder of this season's time), he'd be more than capable of integrating the prodigious offensive talents of your hypothetical stable of 'Kings-Blazers", Bonzi, Shareef, Ruben, and Darius, into his proven and venerable version of the Princeton offense, while also eliminating the problems that Peja's manifest defensive deficiencies have caused for your team's defensive schemes over the last few years...

yeah right !

Sorry but this is the worst trade idea since.... EVER

 

[Fillmoe]

goodbye peja..... hello LUOL DENG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[captain bill]

1-not happing, ever. never ever never.
2-nice idea, but no way boston takes on KT's big contract while they are trying to rebuild, esp if that trade could ultimately mean pierce for 35 games with Peja, then KT for 3 yrs.
3-better option of the more realistic trades, but maggette doesn't really bring enough to offset the hit on offense we take. peja may lack d, rebounding, hussle, but he still is our go-to guy on option who can really carry the team with scoring. if maggette can't be an explosive first option, this team really just becomes mediocre.
4-soft-r-us, sar and odom at sf and pf? whichever way you cut it, our frontcourt will be just as soft as it is now. odom brings some passing to our team, which is needed, and rebounding, also needed, but somehow i dont think this solves anything on the defensive end. in-division trade of course is problematic. could be one of the better options, despite the fact that it doesnt bring us anywhere closer to contention, just maybe a little better over next few years.
5.interesting, but our offensive completely disappears. we have proven in this young season that scoring will not come naturally to this squad. could bring us some d intensity, but we can definitely get better value for peja.
6.no
7.why? deng is just a downgrade from peja, he is no prolific defender. nocioni might help us out, but again, this is a downgrade from our current roster.
8.okay, just give up on this season, and the next, and pray that these guys develop into allstars. letting peja walk and tanking the season next year seems more attractive to me.
9.one guy on the verge of retirement, another marginal talent. pass
10.right, 3 pt shooter who cant defend, rebound, or play with intensity and is NOT the "best shooter in the world." plus i somehow think isaih would say no.

 

[bozzwell]

Nothing will happen before Dec 15 either way. Any team would be stupid to trade before FA contracts can be traded and the market is in full swing. Who knows, if Pedja has really requested a trade again, we might bw able to get some serious talent or picks.

 

[VF21]

Ruben Patterson? Not as long as I draw breath in my body.

 

[Fillmoe]

what do u guys think about this sac/chi trade?

peja and sampson for deng, piatkowski and future 1st round pick

 

[VF21]

Already being discussed in the Peja wants out thread.

 

[PJAZZ19]

I never understood why he wanted to go so bad in the first place. In my opinion, Sacramento has the best fans in the NBA. I doubt they'll love him in Chicago when he disappears in the 4th quarter

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

if we trade him, i want luol deng, nocioni, and ben gordon or kirk heinrich, then trade kenny thomas and bibby for jermaine or ron artest. that would be nice, all this trade talk is making me happy, i like seeing new players.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I doubt they'll love him in Chicago when he disappears in the 4th quarter

Yeah. They just might boo him.

 

[Bricklayer]

I never understood why he wanted to go so bad in the first place. In my opinion, Sacramento has the best fans in the NBA. I doubt they'll love him in Chicago when he disappears in the 4th quarter

Best fans maybe, but the problem Sacramento always has is that these guys are also yougn multi-mutli-multi-millionaires with money to burn, and Sacto is not really a bright lights/big city to provide that level of entertainment in the 90% of your life you spend away from the court.

 

[quick dog]

If Peja really wants to go to Chicago, it must have something to do with his Serbian and Greek buddies. Big city or not, the idea of spending winters in Chicago would not appeal to me. The basketball season is roughly October to May. In Chicago?

I am not absolutely sure that I believe the rumor.

 

[tradepeja]

i like this trade, salaries match, just chris duhon would have to agree and it would have to take place after dec. 14th


Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Marko Jaric
6-7 PG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
9.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 6.1 apg in 33.1 minutes

Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes

Incoming

Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
12.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 27.3 minutes

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: +6.1 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

Chicago Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.8 apg in 26.6 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
8.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.4 minutes

Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
12.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 27.3 minutes

Incoming

Marko Jaric
6-7 PG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
9.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 6.1 apg in 33.1 minutes

Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Change in team outlook: +19.2 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Incoming

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 4.8 apg in 26.6 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
8.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.4 minutes

Change in team outlook: -25.3 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and +0.6 apg.

 

[VF21]

Okay, I have a request. When you post something like that, please take a moment and post what the new rosters for each team would be. It would be greatly appreciated, especially in a multi-team, multi-player trade proposal like that...

Thanks!

Oh, and BTW? Welcome to Kingsfans.com...

 

[zeke04]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Incoming
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
12.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 27.3 minutes
Luol Deng
6-9 SF from Duke
11.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.7 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +0.1 apg.


Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
12.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 27.3 minutes
Luol Deng
6-9 SF from Duke
11.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.3 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.7 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -0.1 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Chicago being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Chicago had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

maybe? maybe not?

 

[BMiller52]

Hi I am new but I would just like to say that the kings in my opinion would be better off trading for Joe Johnson(mike bibby) and earl watson(peja), obviously we would have things added to make the deal even for us but it makes us a lot better on defense. Then on December 15 we just have to ship out SAR for a post defender. Yeah I realize this isn't an easy looking task but the filler would give us a good bench. I will be back soon with a trade proposal ok.

 

[BMiller52]

Ok here is a trade that improves our defense infinitely and gives us a nice young prospect

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Incoming

Joe Johnson
6-7 SG from Arkansas
17.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.5 apg in 39.5 minutes

Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 6.9 apg in 34.8 minutes

Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
5.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.3 minutes

2006 Second Round Pick via Denver

Change in team outlook: -3.2 ppg, +3.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.

KINGS LINEUP

C - Miller/Skinner
PF - Abdur-Rahim/Thomas
SF - Wells/Williamson/Ariza
SG - Johnson/Martin/Garcia
PG - Miller/Hart/Garcia

Why? The way they're looking, they need to make some major moves. They have no rebounding, athleticism, or defense. Joe Johnson is a good shooter, but he is a much better rebounder and defender than Peja. Ariza also helps them get better depth and is an interesting prospect. Miller, while not nearly as good as Bibby, is an excellent passer.

Atlanta Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Joe Johnson
6-7 SG from Arkansas
17.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.5 apg in 39.5 minutes

Incoming

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, -1.0 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

HAWKS LINEUP

C - Pachulia/Edwards/Batista
PF - Harrington/Williams/Batista
SF - J. Smith/Williams
SG - J. Chilidress/Delk
PG - Bibby/Lue

Why? For the same price, Bibby is a much better PG than Joe Johnson. He is a playmaker and a proven all-star caliber player. Plus it eases their logjam at 2/3.

Denver Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 6.9 apg in 34.8 minutes

2006 Second Round Pick

Incoming

Channing Frye
6-11 from Arizona
No games yet played in 2004/05

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: +1.3 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -4.9 apg.

NUGGETS LINEUP

C - Camby/Frye
PF - Martin/Frye
SF - Anthony
SG - Richardson/Hodge
PG - Watson/Boykins

Why? They ease their PG logjam and get a solid SG to strech the floor. They also add an interesting prospect in Frye who can back up the 4/5 much like Nene.

New York Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Channing Frye
6-11 from Arizona
No games yet played in 2004/05

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes

Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
5.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.3 minutes

Incoming

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

KNICKS LINEUP

C - Curry/James
PF - Davis/Rose/Lee/Taylor
SF - Stojakavic/Barnes
SG - Crawford
PG - Marbury/Robinson

Why? They add another high-powered offensive weapon. Peja would thrive on Marb's assists. Plus they would have no problem matching whatever offers he gets.

what do you guys think? I would really like having Andre Miller here he is one of the few guys who actually likes sacramento as a town(he has a house here). Earl Watson is a better shooter with better d but Miller is unselfish to the max, has nice handles, and can throw lob passes(of course we don't have anyone to throw lob passes to but that's a different story...) Also feel free to switch frye and ariza because in my personal opinion we could use frye more. What do you all think?

 

[Kingsgurl]

Maybe the problem is that no one ever explained to Peja that the phrase "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" doesn't mean you bail and take the easy way out, but actually (gasp) show some pride, heart and commitment and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

And to the person who said that the Kings fans are the best in the NBA (still) don't believe the hype. The ARCO thunder has been sadly dying for years now, as we decided it was 'cool' to boo our own players as some sort of reverse, New York style, sort of inspiration. It used to be getting down by 10 was a reason to get loud and rally the team, now it's a reason to grumble, pis and moan, 15 warrents boos, because apparently, THAT will make the team play better As blasphemous as this sounds, it's just another Arena now.

 

[sloter]

If Peja really wants to go to Chicago, it must have something to do with his Serbian and Greek buddies. Big city or not, the idea of spending winters in Chicago would not appeal to me. The basketball season is roughly October to May. In Chicago?

I am not absolutely sure that I believe the rumor.

They have heating in Illinois too you know. There is a great Serbian/Greek community here, so his life quality would probably be 10 times better than anywhere else in America. The only other place in North America is Toronto.

 

[tradepeja]

^^that trade is very good and well thought out, it helps every team out and gives each team what they need. It gives Denver the shooter they need and unclogs their PG line-ups, gives Sacramento the athelicism and speed we need, and gives New York and Atlanta a much needed change up

But, I still like my trade I posted a few posts up a tiny bit better, and thats just because it would make the Kings a contender. Your trade is much more realistic though, even though mine could possibly happen:

Sacramento:

C - B. Miller/Skinner
PF - KG/SAR
SF - [SAR]/Nocioni/Garcia
SG - Bonzi/K. Martin
PG - Duhon/Hart

Chicago:

C - Chandler/Harrington
PF - Songaila/Sweetney
SF - Stojakovic/Deng
SG - Szczerbiak/Gordon
PG - Heinrich/Jaric

Minny:

C - Olowakandi/Madsen
PF - Kenny Thomas/Griffin
SF - Tim Thomas/Williamsion
SG - Hassell/McCants
PG - Bibby/Hudson

 

[Smart_guy3]

Adios Peja don't let the door hit you on the way out.