Peja needs to go
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what if peja isn't moved by the deadline thursday.He's visibly dispirited about his diminished involvment in the offense and you would have to questioned wether those summer feelings of trade demand thinking have resurfaced.He's already the softest Basketball player on the planet can he change all of this turmoil inside and on the outside fast enough to help the TEAM do better and win will be the serious question.
You think so being rumored in Trade rumors,Body language that says you are not giving 110 %,how do you think the rumors will affect his game along with the field goal attempts down and the look of disintrest that kind of stuff not feeling wanted and shopped around may effect his loyalty to perform on a high level + he was already saying how disloyal he thinks the organization was in not resigning vlade.I don't really think you can just blow that stuff off like that and kick it under the rug.
You think so being rumored in Trade rumors,Body language that says you are not giving 110 %,how do you think the rumors will affect his game along with the field goal attempts down and the look of disintrest that kind of stuff not feeling wanted and shopped around may effect his loyalty to perform on a high level + he was already saying how disloyal he thinks the organization was in not resigning vlade.I don't really think you can just blow that stuff off like that and kick it under the rug.
Omg. How far are you going to try to ride that horse?
Body language? How many games have you attended? NOT watched on TV, but actually attended???
My guess is very few. Why? Because if you had been there in person you would have noticed something very interesting about Pedja and his body language that doesn't always show up on TV. (At least this is what I've heard from two people I trust implicitly who attend virtually every single home game and sit in the lower level, close enough to make valid judgments.) He is interacting with his team-mates and cheering when things go right. If he hasn't looked really happy lately, it might just be because of how things have gone on the court. He ISN'T sitting around dejectedly with his head hanging down and his lower lip out and trembling.
You make him sound pathetic and he is NOT. He's going to feel disappointed because he was RUMORED to have been shopped around? Well, if that's true then he must not have asked for a trade, right? Because if he HAD asked for a trade, how could he possibly be distressed when the team was seeing if they could accede to his wishes?
Pedja may not have been thrilled at first to see Vlade leave, but he's not a whimpering little boy sobbing because his bestest friend in the whole wide world has moved a couple of hours away.
I have a lot of respect for Pedja. I may not see things from his point of view, but that's not important. He has struggled this year on the court and, if anything, I think that could be part of the ongoing problems he's having. He wants to play, he cannot play to his own satisfaction because of injuries more than anything else, and so he gets discouraged. I think that makes as much sense as any of this psychobabble people keep digging up.
Body language? How many games have you attended? NOT watched on TV, but actually attended???
My guess is very few. Why? Because if you had been there in person you would have noticed something very interesting about Pedja and his body language that doesn't always show up on TV. (At least this is what I've heard from two people I trust implicitly who attend virtually every single home game and sit in the lower level, close enough to make valid judgments.) He is interacting with his team-mates and cheering when things go right. If he hasn't looked really happy lately, it might just be because of how things have gone on the court. He ISN'T sitting around dejectedly with his head hanging down and his lower lip out and trembling.
You make him sound pathetic and he is NOT. He's going to feel disappointed because he was RUMORED to have been shopped around? Well, if that's true then he must not have asked for a trade, right? Because if he HAD asked for a trade, how could he possibly be distressed when the team was seeing if they could accede to his wishes?
Pedja may not have been thrilled at first to see Vlade leave, but he's not a whimpering little boy sobbing because his bestest friend in the whole wide world has moved a couple of hours away.
I have a lot of respect for Pedja. I may not see things from his point of view, but that's not important. He has struggled this year on the court and, if anything, I think that could be part of the ongoing problems he's having. He wants to play, he cannot play to his own satisfaction because of injuries more than anything else, and so he gets discouraged. I think that makes as much sense as any of this psychobabble people keep digging up.
It's obvious to me Vlade 21 that the dude doesn't want to play here and he isn't trying hard enough. you can run on and on about how close your contacts are and how you know this person or that person that goes to the games and now you are saying that Television is decieving my mind because what I see is just an illusion and my thoughts betray me for some reason that you know and all knowing.From what I see from my experience with the game of basketball I am putting myself in the dudes shoes as an athlete.First of all he's not giving 110% you can blame it on his back and the little flu all you want but from what I see from doing tape review of the games and watching them I see him open and the ball is not delivered to him and then the next few plays or two you don't see him even try to get a defensive rebound because he was over looked on the last few offensive possesions the previous trip down.It's obvious players of the past and present display this attitude of you don't pass me the ball I am wide open, I was second leading scorer last season, I was all NBA second TEAM I was 2nd in MVP voting I won 2 consecutive NBA 3 point contests I am a 3 time NBA all star,My country won a world championship against the NBA with ME on the TEAM.WHY THEN AM i STANDING AROUND WIDE OPEN and no one is giving me the BASKETBALL.These professional players ALL have ego's and I know these thoughts are running through his mind because he defenitely is not EGO less.Shaq used to come out and say that if you don't pass me the ball then I won't rebound and I will not protect the basket ,Some players just are not a straight up vocal like he is out front and they convey their feelings in another manner.
A player like peja operates at his best with responsibilty,If he knows how many shots he's going to get every game then he's all good cool.Peja doesn't distribute the rock all great and He is a learning rebounder that took a step forward last season and a step back this season from the boards.But what he is is a scorer he has a pure scorers mentality you can talk about the off the dribble stuff about him not being able to create his shot,But at the end of the day he is a scorer and scorers you must feed or they will loose interest in the other little things that maybe count but they feel with their mentality to score is not important and secondary in their minds.
What happen was webb coming back to prove a point and by proving that point he had to take away from everyone else especially peja,He did this to prove he could be at an all star level again,Now that he was snubbed he has relaxed his game and his play level has dropped as a result.Peja struggled through this by his scoring responsibilty being put on the back burner.While peja may be laughing giggling along on the bench masking his discontent and feelings of wanting to be some where else. It's obvious with his play his lack preparation for the season his mind telling his body to rest and not be strong my intuition tells me from watching these things observing his game tha he doesn't want to be playing for the kings.
It's all kind of reasons why he wasn't moved by his wishe's maybe they did talk it over and they all put on masks and pretended that it's no problem.But you cannot put a bandage around a big wound it will spill out the real eventually you can't hide the obvious.Management probably thought that with the history of the players with each other for 6 seasons that the issues were minor and hopefully that they would vanish in thin air,|But it's obvious again that they may not be fixable.Call me sick crazy all you want but that is what I feel.
A player like peja operates at his best with responsibilty,If he knows how many shots he's going to get every game then he's all good cool.Peja doesn't distribute the rock all great and He is a learning rebounder that took a step forward last season and a step back this season from the boards.But what he is is a scorer he has a pure scorers mentality you can talk about the off the dribble stuff about him not being able to create his shot,But at the end of the day he is a scorer and scorers you must feed or they will loose interest in the other little things that maybe count but they feel with their mentality to score is not important and secondary in their minds.
What happen was webb coming back to prove a point and by proving that point he had to take away from everyone else especially peja,He did this to prove he could be at an all star level again,Now that he was snubbed he has relaxed his game and his play level has dropped as a result.Peja struggled through this by his scoring responsibilty being put on the back burner.While peja may be laughing giggling along on the bench masking his discontent and feelings of wanting to be some where else. It's obvious with his play his lack preparation for the season his mind telling his body to rest and not be strong my intuition tells me from watching these things observing his game tha he doesn't want to be playing for the kings.
It's all kind of reasons why he wasn't moved by his wishe's maybe they did talk it over and they all put on masks and pretended that it's no problem.But you cannot put a bandage around a big wound it will spill out the real eventually you can't hide the obvious.Management probably thought that with the history of the players with each other for 6 seasons that the issues were minor and hopefully that they would vanish in thin air,|But it's obvious again that they may not be fixable.Call me sick crazy all you want but that is what I feel.
The only way things will turn around is if we can get a small forward who is dedicated to defense and rebounding. Although I like cat mobley, we should of shipped peja at the beginning of the year and had both christie and artest as our defensive starters. Well thats water under the bridge. Whatever we do, as long as we continue to run this type of offense where our big men are at the elbows and everyone else with size hovers near the arc, we will never improve offensive rebounding. As far as defensive rebounding goes, webber is no longer athletic enough post injury and brad miller doesnt see to want to commit to rebounding. Defense overall continues to break down coz our guards let everyone drive and our big men never check anyone coming down the lane. The best thing to do is trade peja for anything of value, commit to defense from the guards up, or else the season is lost. Frustrating to be so close a few years ago and still have a chance if Defense was our focus. A lot of the blame has to go to the type of offense we run, our players are not in position to play solid D, and the players required to run this offense will always be score first. Maybe a change at head coach with a new system needs to be tried out. This may sound crazy, but maybe a guy like Phil Jackson can take this core of talent (mobley, webber, peja, bibby, and miller) implement a new system (the triangle) and see what happens. Whats to lose?
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1. Maybe he isn't giving 110% because it is not his nature to do so.
2. You're not the one being discussed here and unless you're a foreign national playing in a country away from your home, you cannot put yourself in his shoes.
3. Try and rationalize it all you like, but you CANNOT see anywhere near everything via the TV. Cannot do it; no way and no how.
4. SOMETHING is definitely bothering Pedja. That's no secret, but you don't have an inner tap into his psyche any more than the rest of us and you actually have LESS than some because you do NOT see him in person.
5. You always want to see drama in a situation. Fine. See it all you want. I recommend CSI and Law and Order. Your assumption that Pedja and Webber are still at odds with each other is not supported by fact in any way, shape or form. RELIABLE people, even including Ailene Voisin, have made a point of reporting that whatever problems there may have been between them have apparently been solved. So are all of them wrong? And you, grand seer of all things basketball, are the only one who knows the truth?
6. You continually refer to the hidden feelings of Pedja and hint that he's simply acting. Well, news flash - I've seen him act. He's not that good.
7. Hmmmm. I don't have a 7, but I thought my response needed one to approach the length of your tome.
2. You're not the one being discussed here and unless you're a foreign national playing in a country away from your home, you cannot put yourself in his shoes.
3. Try and rationalize it all you like, but you CANNOT see anywhere near everything via the TV. Cannot do it; no way and no how.
4. SOMETHING is definitely bothering Pedja. That's no secret, but you don't have an inner tap into his psyche any more than the rest of us and you actually have LESS than some because you do NOT see him in person.
5. You always want to see drama in a situation. Fine. See it all you want. I recommend CSI and Law and Order. Your assumption that Pedja and Webber are still at odds with each other is not supported by fact in any way, shape or form. RELIABLE people, even including Ailene Voisin, have made a point of reporting that whatever problems there may have been between them have apparently been solved. So are all of them wrong? And you, grand seer of all things basketball, are the only one who knows the truth?
6. You continually refer to the hidden feelings of Pedja and hint that he's simply acting. Well, news flash - I've seen him act. He's not that good.
7. Hmmmm. I don't have a 7, but I thought my response needed one to approach the length of your tome.
This is nowhere near close. We've had threads far in excess of 600-700 posts.
Recently, I believe some of the threads about Vlade's pending departure may have exceeded this in length.
What's truly amazing to me AND I'm grateful for is the number of members who have managed to make cogent posts without resorting to flaming, name-calling, etc. It's a pretty sensitive topic for a lot of people on both sides of the fence and the fact there are 414 posts and people are still maintaining a degree of civility is a testament to the quality of our members.
Recently, I believe some of the threads about Vlade's pending departure may have exceeded this in length.
What's truly amazing to me AND I'm grateful for is the number of members who have managed to make cogent posts without resorting to flaming, name-calling, etc. It's a pretty sensitive topic for a lot of people on both sides of the fence and the fact there are 414 posts and people are still maintaining a degree of civility is a testament to the quality of our members.
1. maybe he isn't given 110% because it is not in his nature.Well I think right now his nature is telling himself that he shouldn't give 110% in a situation that is not in what he wants his basketball future to be.It is common for a disgruntled player to perform at a subpar level if that player has no desire to be in that particular uniform.Vince catert just recently came out and said he wasn't given 110 % before his trade to the NETS.
2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter.
3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT
4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer.
5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on.
6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different.
2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter.
3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT
4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer.
5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on.
6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different.
It is truly sad that "Peja has to go" theory has reached such epodemic porportions. I am not a homer of any of our players, but this is getting really ridiculous. There's 4 or more threads to the honor of "Trade Peja".
My question is this: If Peja is NOT traded, will he/Kings players/fans be okay with that?
Just wanted to stop and consider that for a moment...Thursday at 3:00 (72 hours, 10 minutes) gets here and Peja stays. Will he fight thru it? Will he be professional and take it in the chin, hoping for a deal in the off season?
How can his current stats be hurting us, he's the second best scorer on our team! At his pay of around 8.1 mil avg. for this year and next, he's a bargain if nothing else. He is not hurting us on on the floor, and his man to man defense is definitely missed when he's off the floor. His presence on another team, especially a contender and/or a rival would be HUGE! Kinda makes me wonder....if he were simply benched for his lack of heart could he still be a commodity?
If Peja isn't traded all this energy will turn into negative force for fans. Peja is NEVER gonna get the same respect from his fans if he stays, which may serve to hamper his playing even moreso. ARGH!!!
Sometime ago there was a thread "What would Kings players think if they logged in here?", or something to that effect. Hate to think about that now.
My question is this: If Peja is NOT traded, will he/Kings players/fans be okay with that?
Just wanted to stop and consider that for a moment...Thursday at 3:00 (72 hours, 10 minutes) gets here and Peja stays. Will he fight thru it? Will he be professional and take it in the chin, hoping for a deal in the off season?
How can his current stats be hurting us, he's the second best scorer on our team! At his pay of around 8.1 mil avg. for this year and next, he's a bargain if nothing else. He is not hurting us on on the floor, and his man to man defense is definitely missed when he's off the floor. His presence on another team, especially a contender and/or a rival would be HUGE! Kinda makes me wonder....if he were simply benched for his lack of heart could he still be a commodity?
If Peja isn't traded all this energy will turn into negative force for fans. Peja is NEVER gonna get the same respect from his fans if he stays, which may serve to hamper his playing even moreso. ARGH!!!
Sometime ago there was a thread "What would Kings players think if they logged in here?", or something to that effect. Hate to think about that now.
NOTE: This is in response to shaka zulu's last response to me. His comments are in black; mine are in my strikingly captivating hot pink.
1. maybe he isn't given 110% because it is not in his nature.Well I think right now his nature is telling himself that he shouldn't give 110% in a situation that is not in what he wants his basketball future to be.It is common for a disgruntled player to perform at a subpar level if that player has no desire to be in that particular uniform.Vince catert just recently came out and said he wasn't given 110 % before his trade to the NETS. He can't give 110% anyway. You're saying he's disgruntled and so he's performing sub par? You're comparing Vince Carter to Pedja? What's next? Tracy McGrady? Those two situations were ENTIRELY different.
2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter. You don't have the RIGHT to speak for Pedja. You're not his friend, his family, his agent, his mother, etc. Your basketball instincts, whatever that means, are irrelevant. Unless you were an NBA player from a foreign country and a STAR at that, you have nothing in common with Pedja. You're just a fan like the rest of us. I know that's tough for you to swallow, but that's just the way it is.
3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT You don't need to actually go to game to UNDERstand everything that goes on. Whoa. I'm suitably impressed. What do you do? Just depend on the voices in your head? Are they what tells you he wants out? IF - and that's a pretty big IF - you had actually been to some games, you might have a better basis in fact for some of your statements. The fact you haven't speaks volumes.
4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer. Your basketball feeling tells you he wants more responsibility? Funny. My lamp told me the same thing.
5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on. Again, you aren't seeing the whole thing. You may see a power struggle because it's obvious that you so desparately WANT to see a power struggle. You've contradicted yourself a number of times in this regard. You can't have both ways. Either Pedja is attempting to stand up for himself (hence the power struggle) or he's defeated and gived up (no power struggle). Well, since you've frequently indicated he's NOT standing up for himself, not happy, not assertive, etc. he can't possibly be conducting a power struggle.
6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different. Um, what? Pedja is NOT duplicitous. It's simply not a part of his nature. Is he totally happy right now? Nope. You can spot it every time you see him - if you ever saw him, that is. But is it because he's unhappy with the team OR is it because he hasn't played well, his back is still problematic, it's been reported he's having family difficulties, etc. Are those all true? Don't know. Are they possible? Every bit as possible as your scenarios.
1. maybe he isn't given 110% because it is not in his nature.Well I think right now his nature is telling himself that he shouldn't give 110% in a situation that is not in what he wants his basketball future to be.It is common for a disgruntled player to perform at a subpar level if that player has no desire to be in that particular uniform.Vince catert just recently came out and said he wasn't given 110 % before his trade to the NETS. He can't give 110% anyway. You're saying he's disgruntled and so he's performing sub par? You're comparing Vince Carter to Pedja? What's next? Tracy McGrady? Those two situations were ENTIRELY different.
2. I am going to go ahead and speak for him. my Basketball instincts tell me that he doesn't feel comfortable with his role on the TEAM, you can use race color and other means to say that what I am seeing is all illusion,but i have been away from home before sorrounded by people that didn't speak my language and yes I understand his situation and been in his shoes to know that type of feeling.But I think my basketball intuition is serving my feelings right about this matter. You don't have the RIGHT to speak for Pedja. You're not his friend, his family, his agent, his mother, etc. Your basketball instincts, whatever that means, are irrelevant. Unless you were an NBA player from a foreign country and a STAR at that, you have nothing in common with Pedja. You're just a fan like the rest of us. I know that's tough for you to swallow, but that's just the way it is.
3.I don't need to go to a Basketball game to overstand that there are still fundamental basketball chemistry issues going on ON the court maybe not off the court because you don't have to go home with your TEAM and you can joke it right off which is common with people these day's with fake folks.But on the court with how the TEAM has played and how peja is used into the mix of things is not what I believe he views himself doing as a player.COMMON basketball intuitive feelings TELL ME HE WANTS OUT You don't need to actually go to game to UNDERstand everything that goes on. Whoa. I'm suitably impressed. What do you do? Just depend on the voices in your head? Are they what tells you he wants out? IF - and that's a pretty big IF - you had actually been to some games, you might have a better basis in fact for some of your statements. The fact you haven't speaks volumes.
4.You can go to all the KINGS games all you want my BASKETBALL feeling tells me that he wants more responsibilty given to him as a scorer. Your basketball feeling tells you he wants more responsibility? Funny. My lamp told me the same thing.
5. I didn't say these two were at ODDS with one another, like I said maybe OFF the court they giggle and joke and shoot the stuff.But on the court from what I see it's an obvious power struggle going on. Again, you aren't seeing the whole thing. You may see a power struggle because it's obvious that you so desparately WANT to see a power struggle. You've contradicted yourself a number of times in this regard. You can't have both ways. Either Pedja is attempting to stand up for himself (hence the power struggle) or he's defeated and gived up (no power struggle). Well, since you've frequently indicated he's NOT standing up for himself, not happy, not assertive, etc. he can't possibly be conducting a power struggle.
6.Your talking about staged DRAMA versus real life everday people doing what they do everyday in real life situations real life no script DRAMA.Which is different from staged PROP rehearsals.REAL PEOPLE REAL LIFE things are shaped quite different. Um, what? Pedja is NOT duplicitous. It's simply not a part of his nature. Is he totally happy right now? Nope. You can spot it every time you see him - if you ever saw him, that is. But is it because he's unhappy with the team OR is it because he hasn't played well, his back is still problematic, it's been reported he's having family difficulties, etc. Are those all true? Don't know. Are they possible? Every bit as possible as your scenarios.