Peja needs to go

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bigbadred00

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So Piksl what did you recommend doing with Webber after his big "contract year." Let him goto the Knicks and get nothing in return then build with Vlade, Peja, Clark, Bibby, Christie, Hedo and company? Was that going to win a title as well? At the time it was definitely the right decision. Maybe he didn't deserve max but we are in the same boat as the Knicks with Patrick Ewing, the Knicks with all their crap players and the coming up the Sonics with Ray Allen who is about to get a monster extention, Shaq next year when he gets an extention, and the Suns with Nash.

You worry about NOW in the NBA not the future too much. If you worry about the future too much you'll never win in the NBA. Question let's say we pulled a trade to bring Artest and Jermaine in for Webber at the time of his deal? Did they beat Shaq too? Didn't think so.

Our core other than Webber who is at the end of his prime are all in their PRIMES right now. 28-30 is the prime in the NBA right? Peja, Mobley, Miller and Bibby are all their primes. Only Webber and Bobby are officially out of their primes but for all but the last couple of games Webber has been pretty effective this year.

Team just needs to get focused on D and we would have easily won the Suns and Mavs game on top of the bad calls and would have beaten the Bulls this week. They need to get over the Snubs, get over the Refs, get over everything. Hopefully the All-Star break brings this to the team. A little practice with Mobley wouldn't hurt either. I'm not saying were favorites but if Kings play the way I've seen them a couple times this year ala the Spurs win or the Suns win or the Houston game on national TV, they have a great chance to really suprise the league in the Playoffs. Hopefully they get focused sooner than later or it's going to be a bunch of more frustrating weeks ahead.
 
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bigbadred00

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BTW every year we lose to the Mavs in the regular season but with Webber were 9-3 in the playoffs in games against them. Last year they went 3-1 against us, and we went 4-1 in the POs against them. 2 years before I believe it was the same regular season record and same playoff results happened. Kings step it up versus the Mavs and I believe the only reason we lost the 2nd series is because Webb was out and NVE gave us the series of his life.
 
sloter

sloter

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I was referring everything altogether:

Vlade minus one leg (sad and funny)
Vlade plus ego (sad and funny)
22.8 millions for that year (tragic)
Altogether: true.

I think you know how much I value Mayce Edward Christopher Webber III, so that figure seems completely abnormal to me, last year of contract or not.
 
VF21

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
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So it boils down to Webber again?

I cannot believe this thread is still going on.

VF21 leaves to find something/anything else to read AFTER sending Pedja a get-well card c/o Arco.
 
ReinadelosReys

ReinadelosReys

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Of course, Chris Webber, the root of all evil. The reason behind all of the Kings troubles, the reason behind the rain, the person who makes little babies cry, the person who shot JR. When in doubt, blame Webber.
 
Padrino

Padrino

All-Star
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i dont understand how nayone can make webber out to be the absolute cancer of this team. makes absolutely no sense. the kings dont have many offensive problems. they can score just fine. we have rebounding/defensive issues. and webber just happens to be the leading rebounder on the team.
 
sloter

sloter

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Who's blaming Webber for anything ? It was just a quick look at the salaries to try to understand what would be best for the Kings future...
 
piksi

piksi

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jon e said:
peja is a cancer, webber is a livestrong bracelet

peja for yolana?
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They play for the same owners so that trade is actually makable.

BTW how about Webber for Ashley Simpson.

Never mind - Webber is much better singer ;)
 
piksi

piksi

Hall of Famer
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sloter said:
I was referring everything altogether:

Vlade minus one leg (sad and funny)
Vlade plus ego (sad and funny)
22.8 millions for that year (tragic)
Altogether: true.

I think you know how much I value Mayce Edward Christopher Webber III, so that figure seems completely abnormal to me, last year of contract or not.
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for everything else - mastercard
 
jon e

jon e

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piksi said:
They play for the same owners so that trade is actually makable.

BTW how about Webber for Ashley Simpson.

Never mind - Webber is much better singer ;)
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ashlee simpson cant get any triple doubles... ill pass
 
Kool Keith

Kool Keith

G-League
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Peja isnt soft.

Peja scores points.
Peja shoots the rock.
Peja drops bombs.

But how can he score points w/out the ball? He cant... but hey, that's because he "hides in the corner", right? LOL
 
Kool Keith

Kool Keith

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Webb needs to leave the 20 footers to Peja.. and Peja can leave the rebounding to Webb.

Sac has the players to get it done.. they just need to 'play their position'.

/me anticipates flaming

:)
 
Kool Keith

Kool Keith

G-League
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#293
damn, i only have 7 posts... my opinion is worthless.

anyway, webb is a damn good player.. as is peja. if _everyone_ (not just peja or webb, but especially webb, seeing as though he is self-proclaimed leader of the team) did their part, sac would win it all. either way, i think we'll give it a good tilt come playoffs.

..wish the TEAM would get their act together

btw, peja will always be the best shooter.. but wont always have the best amount of shots. go figure. it _must_ be his fault.

PS, Brad Miller & Mike Bibby rox0r
 
jon e

jon e

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a friend of mine's aunt works at a legal office of some sort in sac and shes saying that pejas agents and lawyers or whatever are in there everyday filling out papers. can this go along with sending him home from the trip? i dont think its the most reliable of sources but we'll find out by thursday
 
Ryle

Ryle

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jon e said:
a friend of mine's aunt works at a legal office of some sort in sac and shes saying that pejas agents and lawyers or whatever are in there everyday filling out papers. can this go along with sending him home from the trip? i dont think its the most reliable of sources but we'll find out by thursday
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What kind of legal office does she work in....or, more importantly, what type of law do they practice?? Could be any number of things from Real Estate to ???
 
jon e

jon e

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i dont know yet, my friend just told me about it. i cant remember much, but like i said, probably not very reliable on his or my part but just thought it was interesting
 
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Pacboy

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Dont flame me for this, but maybe our problem lies in the combination of Brad Miller and Chris Webber. I think they are both great player, but together, they might not be a good pair because they dont really compliment each other's, at least not defensively. Offensively, they're awesome although they both offer the same thing (medium range jumpers, occasional drive, and great passing from the high post.) Defensively, they're both slow and not a blocking presence. It seems to me IF, and thats a big if, we're going to make any change. It should be to change our front court so that we have two starter that are a bit more complimentary to each other, so they can each cover the other's weakness rather than exposing it even more. That means, along with a jumper/passer in the high post, we need a back to the basket player who's strength is interior defense. Who is that player? i have no idea.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Pacboy said:
Dont flame me for this, but maybe our problem lies in the combination of Brad Miller and Chris Webber. I think they are both great player, but together, they might not be a good pair because they dont really compliment each other's, at least not defensively. Offensively, they're awesome although they both offer the same thing (medium range jumpers, occasional drive, and great passing from the high post.) Defensively, they're both slow and not a blocking presence. It seems to me IF, and thats a big if, we're going to make any change. It should be to change our front court so that we have two starter that are a bit more complimentary to each other, so they can each cover the other's weakness rather than exposing it even more. That means, along with a jumper/passer in the high post, we need a back to the basket player who's strength is interior defense. Who is that player? I have no idea.
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No, that is at the heart of the interior defense problems. We need at least ONE of our SF/PF/C group to be able to intimidate, and they can't. Unless Webb finds a fountain of youth, there is no interior presence among that crew. Peja has never played large, but at their peak Webb and Vlade were good for 3 to 3.5blks a game combined. Brad and hobbled Webb are at less than 2 combined.

But the other half of that is we also need rebounding help desperately, and you're going to have a hard time significantly upgrading over Webb/Miller as far as major minute players go. In theory they could grab another board or two, Brad in particular, but in reality they are the #2 or #3 rebounding duo in the league, and the bulk of our board suckiness lies elsewhere. If you get 20 rebounds out of your starting PF/C, you have every right to expect to be at least a solid rebounding team.
 
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