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VF21 said:
Aside from Bonzi, would anyone on the team?
anarchis said:
Have you looked at the record of the team lately? I don't think "best player" is a term that should even be talked about right now. If I was forced to select one, however, it would have to be - as PacBoy has indicated - Bonzi. He's not doing everything right, either, but he is giving his all and leaving it all out there on the court pretty much every night. And he's the ONLY one doing it.
That is very crazy statement that bonzi is better player than peja...sorry i use word crazy, dont know how else i should describe it....Before Pejas injury he played at times like 2 years ago on this team where its more difficult to be " Peja " , i mean he isnt getting the ball like he used too....
Dont judge Peja as a player in this games after his injury, that is just crazy....after his finger gets good again , he will play like before....But to get your Peja from 2 years ago, he needs a team that knows how to play peja the ball
Dont judge Peja as a player in this games after his injury, that is just crazy....after his finger gets good again , he will play like before....But to get your Peja from 2 years ago, he needs a team that knows how to play peja the ball
Bricklayer
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You know where the line is drawn on "Peja bashing" vs. "Peja pointing out his obvious failings"? Same place it did with Webber.
By the end Chris Webber was being blamed for everything up to and including world hunger. He was the ogre for every pathetic simpleton in and out of the Kings kingdom needing a simple answer/scapegoat. And that is where it turned into bashing. Webb can't play defense? Fine. That discussion was allwoed. It was Webb's failing. A legit topic. Webb caused Peja to fail? The team to fail? The franchise to collapse? The fans to suck? All varieties of B.S.
Ditto with Peja. 90% of the Peja bashing on here is targeted very precisely at things that Peja CAN control. Or could if he cared. Won't rebound? On Peja. Won't hustle and hit the floor? On Peja. Won't play through pain? On Peja. Collapses in the clutch? On Peja. And he can and will be called on it, at this point likely for the rest of his career since he has shown little if any growth in those areas.
Where it crosses into bashing is when it crosses into Webberdom and people start trying to blame Peja for eveyrbody ELSE'S failings as well. Reef won't board because Peja touched him and passed on the wuss gene. The team is losing, and its all Peja's fault, etc. And those type of threads are appropriately treated with the same sort of disdain the Webber bashing was. Irts not that easy. Never was. Peja's a wimp, but he's no more evil and destructive than Webber was.
By the end Chris Webber was being blamed for everything up to and including world hunger. He was the ogre for every pathetic simpleton in and out of the Kings kingdom needing a simple answer/scapegoat. And that is where it turned into bashing. Webb can't play defense? Fine. That discussion was allwoed. It was Webb's failing. A legit topic. Webb caused Peja to fail? The team to fail? The franchise to collapse? The fans to suck? All varieties of B.S.
Ditto with Peja. 90% of the Peja bashing on here is targeted very precisely at things that Peja CAN control. Or could if he cared. Won't rebound? On Peja. Won't hustle and hit the floor? On Peja. Won't play through pain? On Peja. Collapses in the clutch? On Peja. And he can and will be called on it, at this point likely for the rest of his career since he has shown little if any growth in those areas.
Where it crosses into bashing is when it crosses into Webberdom and people start trying to blame Peja for eveyrbody ELSE'S failings as well. Reef won't board because Peja touched him and passed on the wuss gene. The team is losing, and its all Peja's fault, etc. And those type of threads are appropriately treated with the same sort of disdain the Webber bashing was. Irts not that easy. Never was. Peja's a wimp, but he's no more evil and destructive than Webber was.
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kingsforever said:
Some of us turned on Pedja a long time ago... like Brick said it's not personal, its the desire to see the team win and to see guys on the court who play their butts off. Pedja has almost NEVER given 4 solid quaters of play, and if his shot is off he is useless. Have a guy who essentially is a pure shooter (albeit with some defensive ablity) is great WHEN you have him playing alongside a tough inside player who take it to the rim draws double teams and can pass to the open man. But you jsut don't build a good team arround guys like Jeff Hornecek, Reggie Miller or Pedja.
Is Pedja to balme for the current problems? No, at least no any more than any other starter, GM or Coach, but no less either. The BIG problem is that he is one of the most tradeable pieces and to be quite frank he shows no propencity to bring much more to the team. Of the inconsistant five starters one thing that has been sadly consistant is Pedja's uninspired play.
I just hear peja , peja , peja , peja after one loss and this man is injured!!!!!Its a finger , but that is like a leg for a shooter !
Who says anything about our starting "all star" center not scoring a single point in a game????? And there are point guards on other teams who rebound better than him???!!
Its not all millers fault , neither is pejas...If you want to critisize , please dont only mention one player.....AND YES , bonzi is probably the best player these last 5 games, byt that is because peja cant shoot, and when he cant shoot its just like you take ev rything hes got.....
But Peja without injury and bonzi without injury....VF21 you must be kidding...
Peja was an MVP !!! candidate 2 years ago....Still i think its that teams fault, they knew how to pass the ball to peja , to find him open and so on...
This team cannot PASS , and thats whats wrong now....I hope they will learn the system soon, cause now they dont play like Kings
Who says anything about our starting "all star" center not scoring a single point in a game????? And there are point guards on other teams who rebound better than him???!!
Its not all millers fault , neither is pejas...If you want to critisize , please dont only mention one player.....AND YES , bonzi is probably the best player these last 5 games, byt that is because peja cant shoot, and when he cant shoot its just like you take ev rything hes got.....
But Peja without injury and bonzi without injury....VF21 you must be kidding...
Peja was an MVP !!! candidate 2 years ago....Still i think its that teams fault, they knew how to pass the ball to peja , to find him open and so on...
This team cannot PASS , and thats whats wrong now....I hope they will learn the system soon, cause now they dont play like Kings
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emded0341 said:
Peja was never an MVP -- that was about the biggest MVP hooey I've ever encountered. What a joke. Needed a good player on a team with a good record, and so there he goes getting talked about in the same breath as guys who were twice the player he ever was. It was ridiculous. There has never been an MVP that one-dimensional, and with any luck. there never will be. Got the wrong man anyway -- Vlade made Peja that year. If you're going to nominate somebody for the award, at least make it the brains and heart of the operation.
emded0341 said:
Good lord...
RIGHT NOW PEJA IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.
I'm very glad that you are so loyal to Peja. It's nice to know some fans are so blind that they just cannot see the faults of their own favorites and make excuse after excuse for them.
THIS IS NOT 2003.
Peja is NOT NOW anything close to what he was when he was being MENTIONED as a possible candidate for MVP.
The name of this board is KINGSFANS.COM, not PEJAFOREVER.COM
I agree with kingsfan....Its incredible how a player like peja who has done so much for sacramento . how the fans can turn on him like that...
He has avareged over 20 points per game last many years and his contract is far from good compared to other players of his quality.
Its like people only talk about what peja hasnt done, everything he HAS done its like forgotten...Offcourse he isnt michael jordan , he isnt perfect player, but he is one of the best shooters ever ( in top 3 i would say ) and people should be proud of.
No he cannot on his own decide games.BUT the team can use him , if they are smart , to win games.Its so much easier when you have someone like him...The team isnt playing smart, they dont pass , they dont screen well ...they dont use pejas weapon...You cant give the ball to peja with a defender on him , you have to play him like the player he is....And still while he hasnt got the ball wright, he has putt big numbers before injury...I think that is impressive
He has avareged over 20 points per game last many years and his contract is far from good compared to other players of his quality.
Its like people only talk about what peja hasnt done, everything he HAS done its like forgotten...Offcourse he isnt michael jordan , he isnt perfect player, but he is one of the best shooters ever ( in top 3 i would say ) and people should be proud of.
No he cannot on his own decide games.BUT the team can use him , if they are smart , to win games.Its so much easier when you have someone like him...The team isnt playing smart, they dont pass , they dont screen well ...they dont use pejas weapon...You cant give the ball to peja with a defender on him , you have to play him like the player he is....And still while he hasnt got the ball wright, he has putt big numbers before injury...I think that is impressive
Bricklayer
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I truly don't know who are best player is at this point. It could be Peja. But if it is that's just a sad statement about the state of things. Its depressing watching the good teams play anymore and thinking how much I'd love to have this guy or that guy instead of the guys we've got.
Okay, this has simply gone on long enough.
Arguing with you is like screaming at my cat after he's clawed the furniture.
Unless someone can come up with a really good objection, I'm closing this thread.
EDIT: No, on second thought, I'll just do like my cat does... once again I bid you adieu. Have a nice evening.
Arguing with you is like screaming at my cat after he's clawed the furniture.
Unless someone can come up with a really good objection, I'm closing this thread.
EDIT: No, on second thought, I'll just do like my cat does... once again I bid you adieu. Have a nice evening.
Bricklayer
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I've mentioend this before -- how many title teams have featured soft pure shooters who don;t hit big shots? Roughy zilch that I can think of. Which leads me to conclude that it is NOT that important of a trait or a player to have on your roster. Has a use. But frankly I'm not sure San Antonio woudl trade us Bruce Bowen for him straight up, and I'm damn sure Detroit woudln;t trade us Tayshaun for him.
The onyl pure shooters who have ever mattered at an elite level have been big time clutch guys like Reggie. If you can't even manage that, then you are just another mid-level scorer imminently replaceable.
The onyl pure shooters who have ever mattered at an elite level have been big time clutch guys like Reggie. If you can't even manage that, then you are just another mid-level scorer imminently replaceable.
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Expectations are a big part of the problem! People expect Peja (!?) to all of a sudden become a top notch rebounder "because he's 6'10!" ... or to for injuries to have no effect on him... or for him to create his own ala Kobe or AI. If anything, I think its because those very people (the ones now "criticizing"/expecting) put him on a pedestal and thought he would for some reason become a 25/10 player who makes his own offense. Obviously Peja isnt that player.. and people are bitter about it.kingsforever said:
Here's a theory; we want to emulate the Blazers model for a successful NBA franchise. We've got their ace, now we just need to sift out the remaining wuss players (Peja, Brad) and replace them with the real tough men (Patterson, Randolph)kingsforever said:
Nice is out. This season its all about wild-styles, big balls and leaving the whole lot out there.kingsforever said:
Some peepz will ride Peja no matter what. I think if we had a poll, here at the site, the starting line-up would look something like this:kingsforever said:
Bibby - Pierce - Artest - KG - Shaq
...and since that's obviously not going to happen, people have thrown around some more realistic names. The consensus comes to this:
Bibby - Hoiberg - Bonzi - Fortson - Webber
*sigh :/
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