PDA Taking Position with Denver Nuggets

[Padrino]

i'm certainly not the least bit sad to see pete d'alessandro go, but i hope that the newly-configured front office has a handle on things, in whatever shape the power structure ultimately takes. cutting out the PDA/mullin cancer was a useful start; now they need to build something worthwhile...

 

[HndsmCelt]

Dave joking on twitter and openly saying he's talking like a fan, but STILL sort of alluding to Karl leaving. I don't want to put words in his mouth, of course.

I know you are only the messenger on this but the only thing I can think of dumber than firing Malone less than half way into the season with a winning record would be to fire the guy you hired to clean up the mess before he has even had an off season and training camp.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

As many suspected. The problem was always Pete and Mullin. Thanks for throwing away our season and pissing off our star players, morons


Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 23m
Any reports out there claiming that there wasn't a GARGANTUAN MASSIVE CRATER LIKE rift between Malone and Pete are flat out incorrect.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 18m
Malone would've come back to the Kings as coach in a millisecond had Pete and Mullin been removed from the situation.Don't believe otherwise

 

[Bricklayer]

As one of the very few around here who does not have a deep-seated hatred of PDA, I will wish him well in Denver and hope that his moving on will bring some bring some sense of relief to a battered fanbase.

Stat geeks sticking together like schoolgirls.

However not all stat geeks are born alike. Some stat geeks are cute and cuddly and blessed with the noble mien of KF moderatorhood. And others are loathsome reptiles.

 

[Hoovtrain]

As many suspected. The problem was always Pete and Mullin. Thanks for throwing away our season and pissing off our star players, morons


Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 23m
Any reports out there claiming that there wasn't a GARGANTUAN MASSIVE CRATER LIKE rift between Malone and Pete are flat out incorrect.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 18m
Malone would've come back to the Kings as coach in a millisecond had Pete and Mullin been removed from the situation.Don't believe otherwise

well that is great. these 2 guys, 1 a proven failure as a FO guy and the other an unproven commodity as GM, come in and create a toxic environment then bail. A lot of the onus is also on Vivek for this.

 

[swisshh]

Yah Vivek doesn't get clean on this, but don't buy the narrative from Woj.

 

[Bricklayer]

As many suspected. The problem was always Pete and Mullin. Thanks for throwing away our season and pissing off our star players, morons


Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 23m
Any reports out there claiming that there wasn't a GARGANTUAN MASSIVE CRATER LIKE rift between Malone and Pete are flat out incorrect.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 18m
Malone would've come back to the Kings as coach in a millisecond had Pete and Mullin been removed from the situation.Don't believe otherwise

This we suspected so strongly that we pretty much knew, still...DUH.

 

[Chubbs]

Who knows whose fault it was exactly this last season was. I'm sure there was a lot of blame to go around. Boogie has never won 30 games, he's not without blame too.

Please stop repeating that crap.

Thats what the local media would like us all to believe.

 

[Spike]

well that is great. these 2 guys, 1 a proven failure as a FO guy and the other an unproven commodity as GM, come in and create a toxic environment then bail. A lot of the onus is also on Vivek for this.

I'm willing to believe that Vivek had no clue. On the surface, you've got a player from the Warrior's hall of fame and a certified stat geek on your staff. Not so bad, right? I mean, your last front office consisted of your cousin from the states who was always playing NBA Jam and the your daughter's best friend's cool mom who brought orange wedges to each game.

Now the question will be, did he learn from this? Is Vlade the right move? Will he let Vlade lean on his own people and background, or will he continue to get in the way?

In the end, it's a shame that Malone was the first casualty, considering everyone who made life hell for him was booted. That, to me, at least from a positive side, implies Vivek can in fact understand that he's made mistakes.

 

[Chubbs]

I believe this is what Dave is responding too.

"Ranadive forced D’Alessandro to fire coach Michael Malone in December, but D’Alessandro’s arrival in Denver will have no negative impact on Malone’s candidacy to become Nuggets head coach, sources said. Connelly and Malone have a longstanding relationship and respect for each other, and D’Alessandro wouldn’t be working closely with the head coach. Malone is one of several candidates still being considered for the job, including interim coach Melvin Hunt."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...l-to-join-denver-organizations-182810402.html

I don't believe anything in that paragraph. All from PDA's mouth I'd imagine.

 

[ockingsfan]

At least the Kings don't need to pay him the rest of his salary.

Now they can use the money to get a real GM.

Geoff Petrie, anyone?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I believe this is what Dave is responding too.

"Ranadive forced D’Alessandro to fire coach Michael Malone in December, but D’Alessandro’s arrival in Denver will have no negative impact on Malone’s candidacy to become Nuggets head coach, sources said. Connelly and Malone have a longstanding relationship and respect for each other, and D’Alessandro wouldn’t be working closely with the head coach. Malone is one of several candidates still being considered for the job, including interim coach Melvin Hunt."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...l-to-join-denver-organizations-182810402.html

I don't believe anything in that paragraph. All from PDA's mouth I'd imagine.

Yea Dave tweeted that Woj's narrative of Pete being forced to fire Malone is absolutely not true

 

[206Fan]

I think Woj got this one wrong, but he's the most reliable NBA insider source and I'd still take Woj's word 9/10 over anyone else. Our local media has been up and down on the entire situation. It's difficult to sort out everything especially when guys keep changing their own narrative about the situation.

 

[206Fan]

At least the Kings don't need to pay him the rest of his salary.

Now they can use the money to get a real GM.

Geoff Petrie, anyone?

I'm not sure about Petrie.. the last time he was a good GM was over 5 years ago. The game has changed a lot since then, but I'm not opposed to the idea. I wonder how the Vlade-Petrie relationship would work

 

[Larry David]

We have nobody in our front office with even NBA assistant GM on-job experience.

Our assistant GM (in form, not title), quit the day before we have big workouts, 20 days before the draft, and went to work for the team picking directly behind us in the draft.

We might be looking to replace our assistant GM with a scout.

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IMO, if you are worried about whether: (1) PDA was the decider to fire Malone in December; or (2) Vivek didn't listen to concerns that it was too early to fire Malone (do it, but not now) and replace him with a Corbin because the team could crater and then PDA took the bullet for his owner by saying it was his call (and GMs do that a lot for owners), I think you are focusing on the wrong issue.

Our front office probably isn't qualified to do their jobs properly and they are being pushed by an owner to swing wildly for the fence to hit a home run.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

cya, my footprint on your ass will go away soon mr 12 steps ahead!

at least we won't be hearing leaks in sac and from denver in the upcoming season.

 

[Kingster]

I'm not banking on Divac & Co. having kept PDA out of the loop on their draft wish list. And if PDA does have that knowledge, it could certainly cause harm to the Kings. If Denver wants X player and knows Kings plan on drafting X player, they would be more likely to trade up past 6 to get him. (There is a reason why there are so many smoke screens prior to the draft). The Kobe Bryant scenario comes to mind. Just another reason why Divac should have fired PDA on Day 1 rather than passively waiting to for PDA to find a new gig. I guess we should thank PDA for his job search, his resume and his interview skills so that he could move on in his own sweet time.

With PDA gone, we can now see if Divac has a plan in place for post-PDA. I still want an excellent talent evaluator to come on board, but I'm not holding my breath...

 

[Hoovtrain]

We have nobody in our front office with even NBA assistant GM on-job experience.

Our assistant GM (in form, not title), quit the day before we have big workouts, 20 days before the draft, and went to work for the team picking directly behind us in the draft.

We might be looking to replace our assistant GM with a scout.

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IMO, if you are worried about whether: (1) PDA was the decider to fire Malone in December; or (2) Vivek didn't listen to concerns that it was too early to fire Malone (do it, but not now) and replace him with a Corbin because the team could crater and then PDA took the bullet for his owner by saying it was his call (and GMs do that a lot for owners), I think you are focusing on the wrong issue.

Our front office probably isn't qualified to do their jobs properly and they are being pushed by an owner to swing wildly for the fence to hit a home run.

Yes, but your 3rd paragraph is the problem in a Nutshell. I'm not so much focused on Malone per se, I'm focused on who is calling the shots...because of it is Vivek then we are just in for more of the same unless he has learned his lesson and swallowed his pride. Either way, not having a GM in place with workouts and the draft upon us is not ideal.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

As one of the very few around here who does not have a deep-seated hatred of PDA, I will wish him well in Denver and hope that his moving on will bring some bring some sense of relief to a battered fanbase.

I don't believe all of the dysfunction can be blamed on D'Alessandro alone. From the sound of James Ham's podcast with Bruski, it was a group of different minded individuals all pulling in different directions. All the while, "sources" are leaking all kinds of conflicting information to Woj, Voison, and Jones; the story seemed to change every week. One day Karl was a PDA hire, then he was a Vivek hire, then he was a Vlade hire... it was just insane.

That being said, I would trust Bruski's account because its the most consistent, and in it D'Alessandro definitely has had a hand in the overall front office mayhem. Is that a reason to hate D'Alessandro? I don't think so. He did what he thought was best for the team. But I am still glad he is gone. Clean house of the disparate agendas and start fresh. This dysfunction had to end.

 

[randymoss1881]

Dave joking on twitter and openly saying he's talking like a fan, but STILL sort of alluding to Karl leaving. I don't want to put words in his mouth, of course.

I might be the biggest malone guy on here don't TEASE ME LIKE THAT. I'll fly Karl to the airport myself (DMC/Gay riding with me) if it ment Malone coming back. He also tweeted that Malone would have came back as coach to the kings in a millisecond had Pete/ Mullin been removed. I'll tell you right now if Karl was PDA hire and the Denver guys want him A.) I'd trade him to Denver outright 2.) if fire him and bring in Malone.

Imagine if we have malone coaching next year with a lineup of
Collison/Matthews/Gay/WCS/DMCman the defense.

 

[SacTownKid]

Malone is like "WTF!".

 

[Hadlowe]

I don't believe all of the dysfunction can be blamed on D'Alessandro alone. From the sound of James Ham's podcast with Bruski, it was a group of different minded individuals all pulling in different directions. All the while, "sources" are leaking all kinds of conflicting information to Woj, Voison, and Jones; the story seemed to change every week. One day Karl was a PDA hire, then he was a Vivek hire, then he was a Vlade hire... it was just insane.

That being said, I would trust Bruski's account because its the most consistent, and in it D'Alessandro definitely has had a hand in the overall front office mayhem. Is that a reason to hate D'Alessandro? I don't think so. He did what he thought was best for the team. But I am still glad he is gone. Clean house of the disparate agendas and start fresh. This dysfunction had to end.

I had the opposite take on the subject. Bruski occasionally does some decent reporting and analysis, but he has massive blind spots on a number of issues (not least of which is anything dealing with a certain former Kings point guard) and laid out some self-serving retrospective that didn't jibe with the way a few publicly known events went down. When I hear him getting some of the objective stuff wrong, I am less inclined to trust his account of furtive back-office shenanigans.

 

[SacTownKid]

I think that's me with the beanie!! haha.

 

[kingjatt]

He should have been gone right away letting him hang on was a mistake. Time for another restart!

 

[funkykingston]

As one of the very few around here who does not have a deep-seated hatred of PDA, I will wish him well in Denver and hope that his moving on will bring some bring some sense of relief to a battered fanbase.

I can honestly say I don't have even a smidgen of hatred for D'Alessandro. I was disappointed in the job he did as GM and even more disappointed by his reported behavior behind the scenes, but hate? Nope.

 

[Livinthedream]

I think Woj got this one wrong, but he's the most reliable NBA insider source and I'd still take Woj's word 9/10 over anyone else. Our local media has been up and down on the entire situation. It's difficult to sort out everything especially when guys keep changing their own narrative about the situation.

I think it lets us know who Woj's source is.

 

[New Era]

Pathetic

What part?

 

[New Era]

Please stop repeating that crap.

Thats what the local media would like us all to believe.

Like I said, I have no idea. Pete could in fact be a complete idiot like everybody here thinks. Doesn't it seem odd that this guy has been hired into a high level position with the Nuggets though? Don't you think that owner, if he knew he was an idiot here, would find somebody else?

 

[SwishKing]

Like I said, I have no idea. Pete could in fact be a complete idiot like everybody here thinks. Doesn't it seem odd that this guy has been hired into a high level position with the Nuggets though? Don't you think that owner, if he knew he was an idiot here, would find somebody else?

As we've learned this past year, owners aren't always as smart as they think they are.

 

[randymoss1881]

Why are some of worried about PDA knowing about our draft options. The top 4 picks are set tha BPA will be WCS/Winslow/Porzingis what can he possibly do to alter that. Sell the farm for the magic pick?