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Yes, no one discusses that as a possibility in their right mind unless there's something else going on behind the scenes.

And interestingly enough, this popped up around the time Napear starting entertaining trade Cuz discussions, as well as Karl saying no player is untradeable while his closest ally in the organization is the weasel responsible for many of our leaks. It's direct evidence of leaks from our FO to select media members to sway public opinion, as alluded to in the podcast.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, in a total hypothetical (so relax), that there WAS something going on behind the scenes. Maybe it's not a leak from the FO. There are 900 billion ways that things can be talked about off the radar.

So how do you want it?

1. Talk openly about behind the scenes info that may or may not be factual and accurate, and is certainly unsourceable? Then have people freak out because irresponsible whispers are happening and GET THE TORCHES!!

2. Don't say a word, and then you're toeing the company line, protecting the franchise, a sellout, blah blah blah.

This line of questioning has no happy ending, because different folks want different strokes. All I can do is do what I do, and do it how I do it. I certainly can't and won't speak for other people, and am not going to trash anyone else.

It is what it is. You either read it, participate, and use it in your thought process, or you ignore it and move on. To each his own.
 
A couple of thoughts:

1. A lot of people are buying right into the whole narrative of this podcast. I'm not. I don't think Bruski has the insider knowledge on current FO happenings he wants people to believe he has and I don't think James Ham is the final most reliable resource.

2. I'm sure there are nuggets of truth in there, but quite frankly I'm done trying to figure out what they might be.

3. The front office under PDA and Mullin abused the media and the fans, with more leaks than a failing dam.

4. I finally found one thing from Larry David with which I firmly agree:

KINGS FANS DESERVE BETTER.
 
Well, I just plain respectfully disagree Dave. The idea that because the team hasn't been successful so far in DMC's time here (29 wins), that means DMC is not a transcendent star and therefore is just as tradeable as all other mortals - this is bullPACE that Grant started, and I'm disappointed to hear you saying it too. DMC is a once-in-a-generation talent. We have him. Giving him up should not be on the table.

And for PICKS???? for pacing picks and prospects????? I think one has got to be out of one's mind to remotely consider a DMC trade that does not bring back Durant or Lebron.

And if Vlade goes on a show and makes a point to say DMC is not on the table, and even chides Karl for implying that he is... that is not just passively answering a question from the press in an equivocal way without giving away your hand. It is more than that. And he'd better be good for it. And he had damn well better not turn around and swap him out for picks and prospects.

I can be wrong and maybe I'm wrong here. I just think it is a bad look for either you or Grant to be softening up the fan base - by repetition - to the idea that "the Kings have not been winners with DeMarcus here, and therefore we have to be openminded". I think it is the absolute wrong message and it because of bull pace like that DMC's agent probably is, or will soon say "pace this - make me a Laker". Potentially the greatest star in Kings history, most certainly the best since Webber, and you and Grant want us to be openminded about moving him for draft picks and prospects. Makes me want to hurl. And the fact that I give you and Grant credit for knowing this... that's what makes it suspicious when you say stupid stuff like "interesting idea - to trade DMC for this year's pick and last year's prospect". It is not an interesting idea it is a stupid pacing idea.

By the way Dave, I really like you as a person - I know you're a good family man. I just wish you would say "the front office would have to be out of their flipping mind to trade DMC for picks and prospects".
 
Let's just say for the sake of argument, in a total hypothetical (so relax), that there WAS something going on behind the scenes. Maybe it's not a leak from the FO. There are 900 billion ways that things can be talked about off the radar.

So how do you want it?

1. Talk openly about behind the scenes info that may or may not be factual and accurate, and is certainly unsourceable? Then have people freak out because irresponsible whispers are happening and GET THE TORCHES!!

2. Don't say a word, and then you're toeing the company line, protecting the franchise, a sellout, blah blah blah.
I have no doubt there is behind the scenes info you're privy to and I have no doubt there's a bit of deciphering what to say and what not to say. The greater issue though is who is giving you that info and why are you being given that info. That's the crux of the issue. Our FO under PDA has had extremely loose lips. Of course there's a fair amount of info being flung around. Have you ever questioned why you're hearing so much when under Petrie info was much tougher to come by, or why no other NBA FO appears to leak anywhere near as much as this one? Does other media covering other teams just decide to not say much, or is the info kept much closer to the vest by their FO's?

The problem as I see it with your two possibilities is it leave out questioning the source. And one of the main contentions of the podcast is the source or sources and why they're presenting that info to media members in the first place. You've presented a scenario where media have zero accountability, it's black and white, either fling it all out there for public consumption or just shut up and say nothing at all. What adds more fuel to the fire is your previous public speculation on Reke, then IT. No doubt it ended up being correct but as alluded to, the greater issue is why, why are you being fed that info to leak ahead of time? Why are you being led to prepare the fan base? If you or others weren't meant to hear it, you wouldn't. Then when we see the same pattern show up with Cuz, it does cause a fair amount of concern. And it goes back to why. And apparently, judging by this podcast, most of these leaks have a purpose.

BTW Dave, I understand you are balancing two conflicting issues. One, being a fan who already lost his job for being too honest and two, working for KHTK while rubbing shoulders with some Kings higher-ups. I can understand you want to give fans some info they wouldn't otherwise receive but again, it all goes back to why are you being given this info. There's numerous media members in close proximity to other teams who hear far less or are told not to say anything, and they don't.
 
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there's a reason that i value tangible basketball experience so highly when it comes to the position of general manager. that's not to say that all basketball lifers make good gm's, but it is to say that i don't feel comfortable trusting a former lawyer and player agent with the responsibility of building both a coherent roster and a culture of relative stability. i was uncomfortable with the PDA hire initially, and i was never given a reason to doubt my instincts, as it turns out. basketball teams are not built in labs or on computers. and basketball games are not won by gm's and owners. PDA's rather mercenary approach--and vivek's trust in that approach--has poisoned the culture of this team, a culture that was already toxic upon the arrival of the new regime. i will not shed a tear if PDA leaves for st. john's of his own volition. nor will i shed a tear if he's fired. a simple demotion to cap specialist is a suitable fix, but removing the cancer altogether seems like a more appropriate solution...

hey!! :p
 
And by the way, the chilling thing is... the Lakers can do that deal - and dump us Kobe's salary and shuffle some other scraps to make it work out - and win freaking executive of the year. I'm actually not going to be surprised. You and Grant can say "look we got rid of Landry's bad contract and (fill in the blank bad contract) and now we have the most exciting youth movement, and we have the greatest player of the generation to mentor our young guards". Like I said, I'm not going to be surprised at all. Disgusted yes, surprised no.
 
Well, I just plain respectfully disagree Dave. The idea that because the team hasn't been successful so far in DMC's time here (29 wins), that means DMC is not a transcendent star and therefore is just as tradeable as all other mortals - this is bullPACE that Grant started, and I'm disappointed to hear you saying it too. DMC is a once-in-a-generation talent. We have him. Giving him up should not be on the table...

To be fair, I don't think that's exactly what's been said.

My take, AND ONLY MY TAKE, is that there just might be some who think there's already been too much damage done to the DMC relationship and, no matter how hard the front office tries, he is not going to continue to be a King UNLESS they can somehow right the wrongs.

I am not saying that's what's happening and I'm certainly not claiming any insider knowledge of any kind on this one, but I am saying we have to consider that it just MIGHT be a possibility. And if so, I do not know how they'll ever be able to get back the fans who will finally say enough is enough and walk away.

I do not believe that's happened YET, but I have to reconsider a lot of what Bricklayer has said this past couple of years and face the possibility. But, as always, I will not believe it's going to happen until it's already done. I've become very good at clinging to faith and hope...and luckily, it's served me well in more than one situation involving our Kings.
 
Well, I just plain respectfully disagree Dave. The idea that because the team hasn't been successful so far in DMC's time here (29 wins), that means DMC is not a transcendent star and therefore is just as tradeable as all other mortals - this is bullPACE that Grant started, and I'm disappointed to hear you saying it too. DMC is a once-in-a-generation talent. We have him. Giving him up should not be on the table.

And for PICKS???? for pacing picks and prospects????? I think one has got to be out of one's mind to remotely consider a DMC trade that does not bring back Durant or Lebron.

And if Vlade goes on a show and makes a point to say DMC is not on the table, and even chides Karl for implying that he is... that is not just passively answering a question from the press in an equivocal way without giving away your hand. It is more than that. And he'd better be good for it. And he had damn well better not turn around and swap him out for picks and prospects.

I can be wrong and maybe I'm wrong here. I just think it is a bad look for either you or Grant to be softening up the fan base - by repetition - to the idea that "the Kings have not been winners with DeMarcus here, and therefore we have to be openminded". I think it is the absolute wrong message and it because of bull pace like that DMC's agent probably is, or will soon say "pace this - make me a Laker". Potentially the greatest star in Kings history, most certainly the best since Webber, and you and Grant want us to be openminded about moving him for draft picks and prospects. Makes me want to hurl. And the fact that I give you and Grant credit for knowing this... that's what makes it suspicious when you say stupid stuff like "interesting idea - to trade DMC for this year's pick and last year's prospect". It is not an interesting idea it is a stupid pacing idea.

By the way Dave, I really like you as a person - I know you're a good family man. I just wish you would say "the front office would have to be out of their flipping mind to trade DMC for picks and prospects".

Listen. I'm not going to speak for Grant, nor will I ever. He's a big boy.

But I can say that I am nowhere near important enough to "start rumors" or sway this or that. And if I ever am, we have bigger issues to deal with.

But posing questions is ok. And when someone asks me something, I usually don't shoot them with the proverbial shotgun and call them an idiot unless it's just way over the top.

Demarcus is a top 10 player in the league. Personally, I would like the Kings to be able to work things out and win a title with him. You don't trade away 24 year old top 10 players and come out ahead (all but never).

But there's two sides to the story. We don't know how DMC feels, do we? Do we know what he's thinking, if HE is ok with the situation?

And if there's ever a day in the future that any differences we may or may not know about become irreconcilable, I think it's ok to ponder "what if". It's not like Vlade is going to read that Twitter exchange and go "you know, let's call the Lakers". It's the epitome of sports talk: someone brings up something, and you ponder it.

And as far as this team winning 28 a year being DMC's fault? Hell no. Absolutely not.

I know a little something about being surrounded by talent that isn't up to par and being blamed for the results. Trust me. I get it.

Either way, love the discourse. I read everything. And I dig what James and Aaron do as well. I root for them.
 
And I've never put anything into "softening up the fanbase". I do this kings stuff for a freakin living, and get paid to do it.

Yet I read this and a couple other boards religiously because I know that Kings fans are the smartest and most educated fans out there. Not all, but every base has their ding dongs.

Point being, just because you have a radio show or Twitter handle or website or newspaper doesn't mean you're not as full of crap as the next guy. And the moment I forget that is the moment I quit to become a carpenter or something.

I'll trust the fanbase to take the facts and make up their own mind.
 
Yes. And I still do. Especially if all the parameters aren't known.

You're a 28,28, and 29 win team. NO ONE should be untouchable. No one.

I'm not advocating trading the guy. At all. But to not listen to offers? Come on.

And as far as making Vlade "a liar", gimme a break. What's he supposed to do, say "oh yeah, we are super totally going to explore trades, it's not working out"?? Then you drive down the market for your biggest asset, should you trade him.

Thus me saying "Vlade will do what's best for the TEAM", and I'm not really worried about him showing his entire hand.

I still don't get what the other comments in this thread are about, in regards to mouthpiecing and agendas, etc. I'm always a big fan of direct questions equal direct answers, so let's go.

And w/o Cuz this would have been a 10, 10, 10 win team. He's not the problem. The only way the Kings find another potential MVP candidate is through the draft. How many years would that take? Even after drafting one it would take several years to get to MVP level. We have one now, trading is not an option.
 
And as far as this team winning 28 a year being DMC's fault? Hell no. Absolutely not.

I know a little something about being surrounded by talent that isn't up to par and being blamed for the results. Trust me. I get it.

Yes talent has been lacking, but who has he had as coaches? The only one that started to have success was fired when Cuz was out sick. This team would had a better record with a real coach and not the ones who would take the lowest salary.
 
Nice to read up on CD's takes....I'd like to take this opportunity and ask, is there a beat writer out there anywhere who is as disconnected as Jason Jones? Half of his tweets are about the Cal Bears. Just would like more info and/or effort on his part.
 
Nice to read up on CD's takes....I'd like to take this opportunity and ask, is there a beat writer out there anywhere who is as disconnected as Jason Jones? Half of his tweets are about the Cal Bears. Just would like more info and/or effort on his part.

I understand but he should make up news? Aren't we trying to balance between having sources and knowing when to and when not to Use them or believe them? Let's give them a little room.

We on here including me have more time fo kings fans.com and Kings affairs than there is real information. And for good and bad we find ways of filling the gap.
 
Listen. I'm not going to speak for Grant, nor will I ever. He's a big boy.

But I can say that I am nowhere near important enough to "start rumors" or sway this or that. And if I ever am, we have bigger issues to deal with.

But posing questions is ok. And when someone asks me something, I usually don't shoot them with the proverbial shotgun and call them an idiot unless it's just way over the top.

Demarcus is a top 10 player in the league. Personally, I would like the Kings to be able to work things out and win a title with him. You don't trade away 24 year old top 10 players and come out ahead (all but never).

But there's two sides to the story. We don't know how DMC feels, do we? Do we know what he's thinking, if HE is ok with the situation?

And if there's ever a day in the future that any differences we may or may not know about become irreconcilable, I think it's ok to ponder "what if". It's not like Vlade is going to read that Twitter exchange and go "you know, let's call the Lakers". It's the epitome of sports talk: someone brings up something, and you ponder it.

And as far as this team winning 28 a year being DMC's fault? Hell no. Absolutely not.

I know a little something about being surrounded by talent that isn't up to par and being blamed for the results. Trust me. I get it.

Either way, love the discourse. I read everything. And I dig what James and Aaron do as well. I root for them.


awesome post man
 
Demarcus is a top 10 player in the league. Personally, I would like the Kings to be able to work things out and win a title with him. You don't trade away 24 year old top 10 players and come out ahead (all but never).

Ok, I'm glad that was thrown in there, albeit in the middle of a long post when I think that should be bolded and put in double size bright red font.

That saves me from having to do what I did with Bobby a couple of months ago when he was pushing the same line and go through the long and sad history of franchises stupid enough to trade away franchise bigs, or lose them outright. Its an enormous no no. Wrongheaded to even think about it.

Instead I'm going to go with these lines:

1) Narrative.

We have talked around here a lot about the national narrative around Cuz. It was very distinct and blatant, a lazy cliche that he was a hotheaded cancer, more trouble than he was worth, a terrible defender etc. and nothing he could on the court was going to change that. Last year he put up one of the best statistical lines for a 23yr old big EVER...and they had turds like Joakim Noah and Al Jefferson on the All NBA team instead of him. It should stand as a humilation to all those voters. Alas my roasting of a few dozen of them via emails is about all the punishment that will be meted out.

And then of course the narrative finally changed, in large part because of Coach K taking him onto Team USA. It was the breakthrough he needed, it became acceptable to admit his greatness. The Malone burst of winning basketball at the start of the season cemented that new narrative. Because of the patheticness of our franchise it was still a close thing, but in the end he snuck into the All Star game, got that 2nd Team All NBA. This time all it took was a young Shaq stat line.

That's national narrative. We've discussed it often, because narratives are real, and humans generally being weak of mind and easily led, they will buy in, and it has consequences. People can be completely unfair. They will refuse to recognize the nose on their face, or they will overhype others. Rarely will they clear the clutter and look at actual achievement. So the narrative matters.

And that brings us back around, because its not only NATIONAL narrative that matters. Local narrative does too. And that is of course what so many of the leaks games were by this nasty front office, often blatant sliming, and leaks, and innuendo. Why? To create a narrative. To soften up the soft minded, To build momentum, to change hearts and minds etc. Its absolutely what was being done. And you know when Pete proudly said I'm a politician? Well...bingo. That's the game. And you don't play the game because it doesn't matter. It does matter. Hell, it should come as no surprise to anybody who's ever played those games themselves, or just anybody who steps back and analyzes it that I play those games too. The exact extent of my influence is and has always been undefined, but its not nothing, I am aware of that, things I say do matter to some degree, they filter out. If I were to jump out and start a thread, "so, let's say we trade Boogie, what can we get?" it joins and aids a very stupid narrative being pushed by people who don't know their NBA history or don't care. So I don't do it. I will not aid that narrative, I will not make it permissible or acceptable. I will NOT contribute to softening the public who legitimately doesn't know any better to an idea so destructive.

And Dave, your bully pulpit is larger than mine. It matters when you speculate like that. It matters when you throw it out. It matters that you don't lead off each and every such discussion or speculation with your line above: you apparently know the disaster trading a young franchise big can be. Then SAY it. Shout it out via your bully pulpit. Because narrative matters. If the narrative is "hey look at all these packages maybe we should consider, and ooh, that would be cool and..." it makes it easier for it to happen. If the narrative is "trading away a young HOF big is perhaps the most destructive thing that can happen to any NBA franchise, dating back at least to Milwaulkee being forced to move Kareem, Barkley forcing a trade, Shaq leaving, Dwight leaving etc." that matters. It becomes unacceptable. It becomes off the table, not to be considered. It gives support to Vlade if that is his stance, it makes Karl pause before playing any more games. It matters.

2) and it also matters because of who DeMarcus Cousins is. I knew him early, not because I know everybody early, but because certain of his personality traits very much resembled mine as a young man. He demands and craves trust. Give it to him, and he'll run through walls for you to prove it was deserved. Don't, and you've lost him. Betray him, and he'll flat turn on you. Firing Malone was idiotic precisely because he had found a combo father figure friend he trusted. That's how you get him to buy in. He values loyalty above all else. Not drama. Not speculation. I'm your guy. End of subject. And every single stupid Karl comment or idiot like Grant firing up the we could trade him angle has the chance to decrease his sense of trust and loyalty. To make a guy who wants to commit to people who commit to him, feel insecure instead and as if he's in a camp of enemies. And so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. People with narrative power push the narrative that we should be talking trade, it makes Cuz insecure, it increases the chance he is indeed eventually traded. And hence again, it matters. To Boogie it matters. Doesn't matter whether it should. We have benefitted immensely from having a guy like that as the franchise guy. He's not really a professional, and that is to our advantage. If he were any of the modern generation of "my brand, my brand" egomaniacs, he would already have calculated we were holding back his own brand/fame/money. But Cuz is kinda a kid. He wants it to be like college. He wants a father figure/friend as a coach, a supportive front office, and loyal fans. And so if you have a bully pulpit, big or small, and ESPECIALLY one that he or his may read or listen to, you kinda gotta choose sides. And if you recognize the paramount importance of his staying, then if you are a fan you have to work towards making that happen. Which means pushing the narrative towards "don't even think about it", not pushing it towards "hey we're not committed, its gotta be considered".
 
Ok, I'm glad that was thrown in there, albeit in the middle of a long post when I think that should be bolded and put in double size bright red font.

That saves me from having to do what I did with Bobby a couple of months ago when he was pushing the same line and go through the long and sad history of franchises stupid enough to trade away franchise bigs, or lose them outright. Its an enormous no no. Wrongheaded to even think about it.

Instead I'm going to go with these lines:

1) Narrative.

We have talked around here a lot about the national narrative around Cuz. It was very distinct and blatant, a lazy cliche that he was a hotheaded cancer, more trouble than he was worth, a terrible defender etc. and nothing he could on the court was going to change that. Last year he put up one of the best statistical lines for a 23yr old big EVER...and they had turds like Joakim Noah and Al Jefferson on the All NBA team instead of him. It should stand as a humilation to all those voters. Alas my roasting of a few dozen of them via emails is about all the punishment that will be meted out.

And then of course the narrative finally changed, in large part because of Coach K taking him onto Team USA. It was the breakthrough he needed, it became acceptable to admit his greatness. The Malone burst of winning basketball at the start of the season cemented that new narrative. Because of the patheticness of our franchise it was still a close thing, but in the end he snuck into the All Star game, got that 2nd Team All NBA. This time all it took was a young Shaq stat line.

That's national narrative. We've discussed it often, because narratives are real, and humans generally being weak of mind and easily led, they will buy in, and it has consequences. People can be completely unfair. They will refuse to recognize the nose on their face, or they will overhype others. Rarely will they clear the clutter and look at actual achievement. So the narrative matters.

And that brings us back around, because its not only NATIONAL narrative that matters. Local narrative does too. And that is of course what so many of the leaks games were by this nasty front office, often blatant sliming, and leaks, and innuendo. Why? To create a narrative. To soften up the soft minded, To build momentum, to change hearts and minds etc. Its absolutely what was being done. And you know when Pete proudly said I'm a politician? Well...bingo. That's the game. And you don't play the game because it doesn't matter. It does matter. Hell, it should come as no surprise to anybody who's ever played those games themselves, or just anybody who steps back and analyzes it that I play those games too. The exact extent of my influence is and has always been undefined, but its not nothing, I am aware of that, things I say do matter to some degree, they filter out. If I were to jump out and start a thread, "so, let's say we trade Boogie, what can we get?" it joins and aids a very stupid narrative being pushed by people who don't know their NBA history or don't care. So I don't do it. I will not aid that narrative, I will not make it permissible or acceptable. I will NOT contribute to softening the public who legitimately doesn't know any better to an idea so destructive.

And Dave, your bully pulpit is larger than mine. It matters when you speculate like that. It matters when you throw it out. It matters that you don't lead off each and every such discussion or speculation with your line above: you apparently know the disaster trading a young franchise big can be. Then SAY it. Shout it out via your bully pulpit. Because narrative matters. If the narrative is "hey look at all these packages maybe we should consider, and ooh, that would be cool and..." it makes it easier for it to happen. If the narrative is "trading away a young HOF big is perhaps the most destructive thing that can happen to any NBA franchise, dating back at least to Milwaulkee being forced to move Kareem, Barkley forcing a trade, Shaq leaving, Dwight leaving etc." that matters. It becomes unacceptable. It becomes off the table, not to be considered. It gives support to Vlade if that is his stance, it makes Karl pause before playing any more games. It matters.

2) and it also matters because of who DeMarcus Cousins is. I knew him early, not because I know everybody early, but because certain of his personality traits very much resembled mine as a young man. He demands and craves trust. Give it to him, and he'll run through walls for you to prove it was deserved. Don't, and you've lost him. Betray him, and he'll flat turn on you. Firing Malone was idiotic precisely because he had found a combo father figure friend he trusted. That's how you get him to buy in. He values loyalty above all else. Not drama. Not speculation. I'm your guy. End of subject. And every single stupid Karl comment or idiot like Grant firing up the we could trade him angle has the chance to decrease his sense of trust and loyalty. To make a guy who wants to commit to people who commit to him, feel insecure instead and as if he's in a camp of enemies. And so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. People with narrative power push the narrative that we should be talking trade, it makes Cuz insecure, it increases the chance he is indeed eventually traded. And hence again, it matters. To Boogie it matters. Doesn't matter whether it should. We have benefitted immensely from having a guy like that as the franchise guy. He's not really a professional, and that is to our advantage. If he were any of the modern generation of "my brand, my brand" egomaniacs, he would already have calculated we were holding back his own brand/fame/money. But Cuz is kinda a kid. He wants it to be like college. He wants a father figure/friend as a coach, a supportive front office, and loyal fans. And so if you have a bully pulpit, big or small, and ESPECIALLY one that he or his may read or listen to, you kinda gotta choose sides. And if you recognize the paramount importance of his staying, then if you are a fan you have to work towards making that happen. Which means pushing the narrative towards "don't even think about it", not pushing it towards "hey we're not committed, its gotta be considered".

A long and well written post Brick.

And maybe someday we can wax poetic and lay all our cards on the table.

Maybe those trade ideas NEED to be out there.

And maybe, just maybe, the passionate reactions also NEED to be out there.

Maybe the timing of the QUESTIONS is important, along with the timing of the fans' ANSWERS.

MAYBE you and I aren't as far off philosophically as you might think.

And then again, maybe I'm full of garbage and a total blowhard. I'll simply say what I did with Seattle, Tyreke, Isaiah, Karl, etc:

I do what I do. Can't speak for anyone else. And if you question who I am and what I'm about, I'd hate me too. But if you don't, and you trust the track record, all I can ask is that you believe I am, and always will be, a Kings fan FIRST.

And that ends my contribution to this thread. You guys are awesome. Go Kings.
 
Ok, I'm glad that was thrown in there, albeit in the middle of a long post when I think that should be bolded and put in double size bright red font.

That saves me from having to do what I did with Bobby a couple of months ago when he was pushing the same line and go through the long and sad history of franchises stupid enough to trade away franchise bigs, or lose them outright. Its an enormous no no. Wrongheaded to even think about it.

Instead I'm going to go with these lines:

1) Narrative.

We have talked around here a lot about the national narrative around Cuz. It was very distinct and blatant, a lazy cliche that he was a hotheaded cancer, more trouble than he was worth, a terrible defender etc. and nothing he could on the court was going to change that. Last year he put up one of the best statistical lines for a 23yr old big EVER...and they had turds like Joakim Noah and Al Jefferson on the All NBA team instead of him. It should stand as a humilation to all those voters. Alas my roasting of a few dozen of them via emails is about all the punishment that will be meted out.

And then of course the narrative finally changed, in large part because of Coach K taking him onto Team USA. It was the breakthrough he needed, it became acceptable to admit his greatness. The Malone burst of winning basketball at the start of the season cemented that new narrative. Because of the patheticness of our franchise it was still a close thing, but in the end he snuck into the All Star game, got that 2nd Team All NBA. This time all it took was a young Shaq stat line.

That's national narrative. We've discussed it often, because narratives are real, and humans generally being weak of mind and easily led, they will buy in, and it has consequences. People can be completely unfair. They will refuse to recognize the nose on their face, or they will overhype others. Rarely will they clear the clutter and look at actual achievement. So the narrative matters.

And that brings us back around, because its not only NATIONAL narrative that matters. Local narrative does too. And that is of course what so many of the leaks games were by this nasty front office, often blatant sliming, and leaks, and innuendo. Why? To create a narrative. To soften up the soft minded, To build momentum, to change hearts and minds etc. Its absolutely what was being done. And you know when Pete proudly said I'm a politician? Well...bingo. That's the game. And you don't play the game because it doesn't matter. It does matter. Hell, it should come as no surprise to anybody who's ever played those games themselves, or just anybody who steps back and analyzes it that I play those games too. The exact extent of my influence is and has always been undefined, but its not nothing, I am aware of that, things I say do matter to some degree, they filter out. If I were to jump out and start a thread, "so, let's say we trade Boogie, what can we get?" it joins and aids a very stupid narrative being pushed by people who don't know their NBA history or don't care. So I don't do it. I will not aid that narrative, I will not make it permissible or acceptable. I will NOT contribute to softening the public who legitimately doesn't know any better to an idea so destructive.

And Dave, your bully pulpit is larger than mine. It matters when you speculate like that. It matters when you throw it out. It matters that you don't lead off each and every such discussion or speculation with your line above: you apparently know the disaster trading a young franchise big can be. Then SAY it. Shout it out via your bully pulpit. Because narrative matters. If the narrative is "hey look at all these packages maybe we should consider, and ooh, that would be cool and..." it makes it easier for it to happen. If the narrative is "trading away a young HOF big is perhaps the most destructive thing that can happen to any NBA franchise, dating back at least to Milwaulkee being forced to move Kareem, Barkley forcing a trade, Shaq leaving, Dwight leaving etc." that matters. It becomes unacceptable. It becomes off the table, not to be considered. It gives support to Vlade if that is his stance, it makes Karl pause before playing any more games. It matters.

2) and it also matters because of who DeMarcus Cousins is. I knew him early, not because I know everybody early, but because certain of his personality traits very much resembled mine as a young man. He demands and craves trust. Give it to him, and he'll run through walls for you to prove it was deserved. Don't, and you've lost him. Betray him, and he'll flat turn on you. Firing Malone was idiotic precisely because he had found a combo father figure friend he trusted. That's how you get him to buy in. He values loyalty above all else. Not drama. Not speculation. I'm your guy. End of subject. And every single stupid Karl comment or idiot like Grant firing up the we could trade him angle has the chance to decrease his sense of trust and loyalty. To make a guy who wants to commit to people who commit to him, feel insecure instead and as if he's in a camp of enemies. And so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. People with narrative power push the narrative that we should be talking trade, it makes Cuz insecure, it increases the chance he is indeed eventually traded. And hence again, it matters. To Boogie it matters. Doesn't matter whether it should. We have benefitted immensely from having a guy like that as the franchise guy. He's not really a professional, and that is to our advantage. If he were any of the modern generation of "my brand, my brand" egomaniacs, he would already have calculated we were holding back his own brand/fame/money. But Cuz is kinda a kid. He wants it to be like college. He wants a father figure/friend as a coach, a supportive front office, and loyal fans. And so if you have a bully pulpit, big or small, and ESPECIALLY one that he or his may read or listen to, you kinda gotta choose sides. And if you recognize the paramount importance of his staying, then if you are a fan you have to work towards making that happen. Which means pushing the narrative towards "don't even think about it", not pushing it towards "hey we're not committed, its gotta be considered".
Bang on! I am sick and tired of people even contemplating the idea, let alone publicly discussing it on the airwaves!
 
A long and well written post Brick.

And maybe someday we can wax poetic and lay all our cards on the table.

Maybe those trade ideas NEED to be out there.

And maybe, just maybe, the passionate reactions also NEED to be out there.

Maybe the timing of the QUESTIONS is important, along with the timing of the fans' ANSWERS.

MAYBE you and I aren't as far off philosophically as you might think.

And then again, maybe I'm full of garbage and a total blowhard. I'll simply say what I did with Seattle, Tyreke, Isaiah, Karl, etc:

I do what I do. Can't speak for anyone else. And if you question who I am and what I'm about, I'd hate me too. But if you don't, and you trust the track record, all I can ask is that you believe I am, and always will be, a Kings fan FIRST.

And that ends my contribution to this thread. You guys are awesome. Go Kings.

People probably assume often that you've got a real good and solid setup here, but with the politics, balancing, real people with real emotion I know it can get hard out there.

Not saying which if any apply to you here with this specific situation. But just letting you know, when it gets complicated, you've earned the trust and respect from many of us.
 
I have no way of verifying much of this at any reliable certainty rate, but when it comes to IT, if there was an active bs PR campaign against him. I remember Jerry Reynolds trying to remind us of his valuable qualities. Jerry has seen it all, has always been protective of us fans and the fellas. I noticed Jerry, so thanks for always being there if you read this.
 
Bang on! I am sick and tired of people even contemplating the idea, let alone publicly discussing it on the airwaves!

FYI - T'here was a rumor a number of years ago that the Maloofs were actively considering hiring John Whisenant as the next coach of the Sacramento Kings. It caused a hue and cry amongst the fans that could be heard around the world. I have always believed very strongly it was the leak and discussion of that "rumor" that made the Maloofs back away.

Puttimg your head in the sand doesn't do anybody any good. If, on the other hand, a rumor comes out that enrages the fan base and gets them to loudly declare their opposition (much as what happened when Corbin was made interim coach) there is at least a chance the voice of the fans will be heard.

I'd much rather hear a false rumor and be able to shout it down. Fans do more than just post on message boards; they buy tickets and they put their butts in the seats of fancy new arenas.
 
I have no way of verifying much of this at any reliable certainty rate, but when it comes to IT, if there was an active bs PR campaign against him. I remember Jerry Reynolds trying to remind us of his valuable qualities. Jerry has seen it all, has always been protective of us fans and the fellas. I noticed Jerry, so thanks for always being there if you read this.

Aaron Bruski has always been the ultimate IT homer. It defies logic. Even when IT made obvious dumb comments on Twitter, Bruski would be there to defend him.

Jerry Reynolds may have "seen it all" but I've yet to hear him come out and say anything bad about anybody. :)
 
My take, AND ONLY MY TAKE, is that there just might be some who think there's already been too much damage done to the DMC relationship and, no matter how hard the front office tries, he is not going to continue to be a King UNLESS they can somehow right the wrongs.

I am not saying that's what's happening and I'm certainly not claiming any insider knowledge of any kind on this one, but I am saying we have to consider that it just MIGHT be a possibility. And if so, I do not know how they'll ever be able to get back the fans who will finally say enough is enough and walk away.
This is a chilling post.

If it is too late to keep DMC here...... then the Kings will have wasted the entire last TEN YEARS, and at least 5 more.
Abject humiliation and failure, and received nothing for it but a couple prospects.
They will have wasted Tyreke, IT, and DMC and have peanuts to show for it (well, + Rudy).
They will be starting over basically from scratch - into a fanbase that has already had enough failure. There is no way in hell there will be enough success to grow the fanbase for over 5 years more. They will need new minority owners, and the pressure from the community (because of the high costs for the new arena) will become deafening.

There is no other option than to make this work - they simply have no choice but to win with Cousins.
I don't see this realization being demonstrated by the FO, or the media.
They seem to think there is a successful way forward without Cousins.
I beg to differ. (barring conspiracy theories)
 
I have no doubt there is behind the scenes info you're privy to and I have no doubt there's a bit of deciphering what to say and what not to say. The greater issue though is who is giving you that info and why are you being given that info. That's the crux of the issue. Our FO under PDA has had extremely loose lips. Of course there's a fair amount of info being flung around. Have you ever questioned why you're hearing so much when under Petrie info was much tougher to come by, or why no other NBA FO appears to leak anywhere near as much as this one? Does other media covering other teams just decide to not say much, or is the info kept much closer to the vest by their FO's?

The problem as I see it with your two possibilities is it leave out questioning the source. And one of the main contentions of the podcast is the source or sources and why they're presenting that info to media members in the first place. You've presented a scenario where media have zero accountability, it's black and white, either fling it all out there for public consumption or just shut up and say nothing at all. What adds more fuel to the fire is your previous public speculation on Reke, then IT. No doubt it ended up being correct but as alluded to, the greater issue is why, why are you being fed that info to leak ahead of time? Why are you being led to prepare the fan base? If you or others weren't meant to hear it, you wouldn't. Then when we see the same pattern show up with Cuz, it does cause a fair amount of concern. And it goes back to why. And apparently, judging by this podcast, most of these leaks have a purpose.

BTW Dave, I understand you are balancing two conflicting issues. One, being a fan who already lost his job for being too honest and two, working for KHTK while rubbing shoulders with some Kings higher-ups. I can understand you want to give fans some info they wouldn't otherwise receive but again, it all goes back to why are you being given this info. There's numerous media members in close proximity to other teams who hear far less or are told not to say anything, and they don't.

I appreciate you taking the time to look at all sides. The questions I would be asking if I were you, whether it's me or ANY media member:

1. What is their track record

2. Do you trust their sources/intentions

3. If it's speculation or "sources", have they been right in the past or no? Is your judgement clouded because of how the news makes you feel?

Also, consider that some don't trust all their sources, and some mention a small percentage of what they hear, and of what they mention, a small percentage of THAT.

When I hear something newsworthy, my checklist is:

1. Who is telling me

2. Who else can I get to tell me the same

3. If I report it, speculate on it, will it hurt the franchise (this is where I lose all credibility as a "journalist")

4. Will it cause undue stress and hand wringing for no reason from the fanbase

5. Is there an upside to breaking the news.

I guarantee you any media person worth their salt read the above and probably threw up in their mouth. But that's how I operate when it comes to the Kings. I'd rather keep the relationships and access I have, then get a few extra listeners/web hits and burn someone. That's me.

But what I never have done, and never will do, is make up news or feed an agenda. Nope. Ain't a show pony. Will never, ever happen. And if I have any doubts (which I sometimes do), I don't touch it.
 
FYI - T'here was a rumor a number of years ago that the Maloofs were actively considering hiring John Whisenant as the next coach of the Sacramento Kings. It caused a hue and cry amongst the fans that could be heard around the world. I have always believed very strongly it was the leak and discussion of that "rumor" that made the Maloofs back away.

Puttimg your head in the sand doesn't do anybody any good. If, on the other hand, a rumor comes out that enrages the fan base and gets them to loudly declare their opposition (much as what happened when Corbin was made interim coach) there is at least a chance the voice of the fans will be heard.

I'd much rather hear a false rumor and be able to shout it down. Fans do more than just post on message boards; they buy tickets and they put their butts in the seats of fancy new arenas.
The problem is there are still idiots out there that think trading DeMarcus Cousins is a good idea because they don't like how he behaves on the court. It is the ****wits like these that have a louder voice than those who rightly think it is an idiotic idea to even consider it! You just need to listen to bigger egositcal, ass kissing dickhead Grant to see how he manipulates his air time to shout over the top of people that disagree with him in the slightest and he is the biggest propaganda mouth piece that there is. He stuck up for the Maloofs when Anaheim was in play, he defended them everywhere. He only started siding on the side of the fans once the Seattle thing came into play only because he was not going to able to follow the team there and keep his job but Anaheim was OK!

I might not live in Sacramento but I very much keep an eye and ear in everything. I listen to all the podcasts regarding kings from khtk every day. I listen to the CBK podcast every week. Read the sacbee and other articles regularly. Frequent this board every day. Hell I even donated to CDT in their effort to get the arena drive and counil meetings going so while I might not be Sacramentan, I very much feel for the city and the team in particular. I despise the thought of these mouth pieces potting players to "crowd source"! Why weren't we crowd sourced in Malone?

DMC for these idiots is an easy target. You keep doing this and you alienate him to the point that he will want out and all these ****wits will then say, "see he doesn't want to be here so we have to trade him!" knowing full well that it is their crowd sourcing bullcrap that has driven him away! Smart, good basketball people would not contemplate the idea of trading him, let alone crowd source it! You don't hear about Miami or now Cavs looking to trade LBJ. You don't hear about OKC wanting to trade KD or Westbrook, nor do you hear how NO is listening out for feelers on Davis. Its because these guys know what they are doing but laughable old Sacramento is consideing trading HOF center so lets crowd source that crap!

Like Petrie once said, you don't win a championship unless you have a hall of fame player or two. We lucked into one so we better make sure we do everything possible to keep him happy and build around him not ****ing consider trading him because he is rightly pissed of at us because we are a run by a bunch of ****ing idiots!
 
A long and well written post Brick.

And maybe someday we can wax poetic and lay all our cards on the table.

Maybe those trade ideas NEED to be out there.

And maybe, just maybe, the passionate reactions also NEED to be out there.

Maybe the timing of the QUESTIONS is important, along with the timing of the fans' ANSWERS.

MAYBE you and I aren't as far off philosophically as you might think.

And then again, maybe I'm full of garbage and a total blowhard. I'll simply say what I did with Seattle, Tyreke, Isaiah, Karl, etc:

I do what I do. Can't speak for anyone else. And if you question who I am and what I'm about, I'd hate me too. But if you don't, and you trust the track record, all I can ask is that you believe I am, and always will be, a Kings fan FIRST.

And that ends my contribution to this thread. You guys are awesome. Go Kings.

Alright Dave. If you are hinting that all the fan outrage etc. might be serving a purpose I certainly won't disagree with that, as that's precisely why I have cranked up the volume ever since The Stupidity this fall. But this back seat fan driving to keep the franchise from going over a cliff is pretty ****ing exhausting, from outrage to outrage, racing over to scream at this fire and then that. If these children actually need to be taught such remedial NBA lessons as "don't fire a popular coach in the midst of a successful season drawing national attention" and "don't trade away your franchise center at age 24" maybe it would be best for all concerned if I just moved on in directly as GM and put an end to all that nonsense at its source while the kiddies finished up their Basketball 101 courses. We could call it a conservatorship to preserve the franchise's assets until such time as the children were old enough and experienced enough not to scatter them willy nilly across the league to laughing rivals.

Drop a note to Vivek for me and tell him I'm his huckleberry.

P.S. the good news for you is Kayte definitely gets to stay around. Ask her what she thinks about teaming with Scot Pollard as co-color people on a new three man broadcast team as soon as I can convince Jerry to mosey off into the sunset.
 
And people complained about PDA being labelled a gerbil and a weasel? We went too easy on this conniving, backstabbing, self serving douche. I have a lot of thoughts but I'll wait until I get a chance to listen to the podcast. Thanks for the outline IfAt1st.

However, this all happened on Vivek's watch. It appears the issues started well, well before Malone was fired. Was he oblivious to it? Head just not in the game? Incompetent regarding how an NBA FO should and shouldn't work? On vacation? We hear how hands on and active Vivek has been and all of this **** going on right under his nose raises a lot of questions. Does he simply say he's active for fan perception, but only show up at games and sit courtside? Or has he had his sleeves rolled up and somehow missed all of this? Or did he know all along these problems were increasing but didn't have the backbone to do something about it.

Seems the only people with any class are the ones who left. But for how much Vivek talked about culture, this surely raises a helluva lot of questions. Thank god that Vlade was willing to put on his boots and step into this steaming pile of dog **** and attempt to get us back in the direction we were previously.
I don't get it. People want Vivek to BE involved in the FO, but when he's portrayed as the owner who wants a player, he should NOT be involved in any of the FO work.

Ballmer knows 0 craps about basketball, yet he's seen as one of the best owners in the NBA.

Vivek is the owner and it's pretty evident that he DOES value people who have more knowledge than him. If your trusted GM and one of the NBA's best shooter in NBA history tells you how they feel, what reason would he NOT have to believe them?

Vivek is just being an owner and he's clearly trying to get the input from the basketball guys. Sucky thing is, he just has terrible basketball guys.

I think Vivek has been a great owner. He receives a lot of criticism for stupid things, but at the end of this day, he's a fan of this team too. He's already started his entire revamp by hiring Vlade and having Karl as the new coach. We just have to wait and see how it all translates next year.
 
I damn near flipped my lid the last time we traded an all star big. Just so happens that was the last year we were relevant. Put two and two together and remember all the drafts and free agent signings after the webber trade until we finally landed boogie.
 
DMC for these idiots is an easy target. You keep doing this and you alienate him to the point that he will want out and all these ****wits will then say, "see he doesn't want to be here so we have to trade him!" knowing full well that it is their crowd sourcing bullpoopoo that has driven him away! Smart, good basketball people would not contemplate the idea of trading him, let alone crowd source it! You don't hear about Miami or now Cavs looking to trade LBJ. You don't hear about OKC wanting to trade KD or Westbrook, nor do you hear how NO is listening out for feelers on Davis. Its because these guys know what they are doing but laughable old Sacramento is consideing trading HOF center so lets crowd source that poopoo!

Like Petrie once said, you don't win a championship unless you have a hall of fame player or two. We lucked into one so we better make sure we do everything possible to keep him happy and build around him not ****ing consider trading him because he is rightly pissed of at us because we are a run by a bunch of ****ing idiots!
The reason they don't is because LeBron and KD are on a completely different level to the rest of the NBA, now as far as Westbrook he has taken more crap than any player in the current NBA and in a lot of way's it's the same reason Cousins takes a lot of crap and has his name in "trade rumors"', the media has consistently been questioning if WB is the PG for KD and if they should trade WB and there have been numerous rumors the two of them don't get along.

The reason why Westbrook and Cousins names are brought up is because
a). Both are immensely skilled/talented or athletic in WB's case and emotional type players
b). Both do immensely stupid things on the floor on a consistent basis from ridiculous fouls to questionable shot selection and losing there cool

At this point I don't really see an offer that would get us to trade Cousins (because he's really good) but I don't hold him in the same regard as LeBron or Durrant where there is literally no chance of trading them.
 
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