patrick ewing jr vs luke walton

[AriesMar27]

i havent seen him play but everyone was comparing him to bowen and thats all he does is hit that stupid corner three...

 

[Entity]

I don't think the comparisons are more for the corner 3 as much as it is his defense. Ewing Jr. was not drafted for 3pt% or points per game. He was drafted as a defensive stopper that can guard 3 positions on defense. Something that very few can do. Ron Artest is one and thats about all I can think of. Ewing IF he makes the team or any OTHER team will never start UNLESS the team is loaded at the other 4 positions on offense. He is an energy guy off the bench that gives you TREMENDOUS defensive effort and all around hustle and focuses all of his attention on defense ANY offense is just a plus ala. Doug Christie. When we had Bibby 18ppg, Peja 17ppg, Webber 20ppg, Divac 14ppg, Jackson 12ppg, and Jim Jackson and/or Hedo getting 10ppg Nobody batted an eye at Doug getting 6ppg because he was the best defender on the team and was a great teamate, leader, and lockerroom guy. These are the same attributes as described when fomer coaches speak of Ewing Jr. So debating about his offense is always going to lean in the direction of a player that will never be in the NBA. If you think GP or anybody that scouted him for that matter even paid attention to his offense you are fooling yourself.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

if he can be a lockdown defender,its a great pick up.

 

[mac]

yep he's here to guard people. Well Kmart's shot mechanics don't look the best but they somehow work for him, especially his 3pt shots. So maybe something can be done for PE jr too. Hopefully.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

He's an athlete, nothing more, nothing less, at this stage. I do hate his red flags--the fact that he's 24 years old, the fact that he never really started at college nor did he put up huge numbers by any stretch of the word--and those don't bode well for him, quite frankly. Of course, I've had that Renaldo Balkman comparison dallied about--here's another guy who didn't put up good numbers at college but made his living off hustle and defense in the NBA. First of all, at least Balkman had a scrappy/defensive reputation coming out of the draft. Ewing Jr. doesn't have any of those--he's just "clay" at this point. Quite frankly, I don't even think summer league is a good barometer for him--the competition is a tad subpar, and most players just want to pad their own stats to make themselves look good as opposed to playing for the score. Ewing will get points off offensive rebounds and points off open shots at the basket, that's for sure, with this kind of competition, and like any NBA player he'll convert those shots. The best thing he has going for him is his freak athleticism, but he just doesn't know how to use it to his advantage at this stage.

And that's not even talking about the extremely poor value we got by drafting him at #44. IMO, in terms of talent and ability, it's far worse than the value we got for Thompson at #12. I'm more than certain that had we not drafted him, he would've gone undrafted. Then we could've gotten him in our summer league team from there.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Sure about that?

Ewing, Jr. is James Posey without the jumpshot, without the basketball IQ, without the fundamentals, and without the defensive stopper type credentials.

It looks to me that Ewing Jr. is a homeless man's Gerald Wallace, only older and thus with that much less potential. Hard worker clearly, but something tells me had Davon Jefferson even showed up in the predraft camps he would've been that pick, because he fits that prototype...

I personally have not extensively watched him play. All I have to go on is people's opinions. Like this one:

Hello everybody. I'm a Georgetown student and a massive fan of both the college and NBA games. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on Patrick, as someone who has seen or listened on radio to every single one of his games over the last 2 years.

I think this is a great pick for the Kings. Is he going to be a star, somebody who's going to go out there and score 20 points a night for you? Of course not. Those guys aren't hanging around at #43. What he is going to be is a great role player and a great bench player and a great teammate.

Pat easily has the talent to start for Georgetown, or for any team in college basketball. In fact, he started the first 10 games this last season. It was determined by our coach that his talents were best utilized as a sparkplug off of the bench, a decision that most Georgetown fans agree with. He was always one of the best 5 guys on the team however.

Pat's a defensive stopper, its undoubtedly his best quality as a player. You can put him on a 2, a 3 or a 4 and expect him to take care of business. Last year, Joe Alexander, #8 overall pick, had been coming off of 3 consecutive 30+ point games or something very similar when Georgetown got them in the Big East Tournament. We all knew it was going to be Pat's assignment to shut him down. He did, and was the last player to do so in Alexander's career. Hoyas won easily, and Pat was the game's MVP.

Pat's been around very high level basketball his whole life, obviously given his father. He's an extremely heady player and plays very much like the stereotypical coach's son. He's a tremendous passer with really nice vision and played a little bit of point forward for the Hoyas, an important thing to be able to do as part of the Princeton offense.

Pat plays at 100 mph at all times, exactly what you want from a sparkplug off the bench in the NBA. He fills the stat sheet with every conceivable category. His block against West Virginia the FIRST time we played them saved the game as time expired and was arguably the best play of our season.

Finally, Patrick was a captain this year for the Hoyas. This is special given that it was only his 2nd year with the team. He's a great guy to have in the locker room, and he's a winner. In the mid 2nd round, I can't imagine anyone wanting much more than Patrick Ewing Jr.

 

[Gary]

He is an energy guy off the bench that gives you TREMENDOUS defensive effort and all around hustle and focuses all of his attention on defense ANY offense is just a plus ala. Doug Christie. When we had Bibby 18ppg, Peja 17ppg, Webber 20ppg, Divac 14ppg, Jackson 12ppg, and Jim Jackson and/or Hedo getting 10ppg Nobody batted an eye at Doug getting 6ppg because he was the best defender on the team and was a great teamate, leader, and lockerroom guy. These are the same attributes as described when fomer coaches speak of Ewing Jr. So debating about his offense is always going to lean in the direction of a player that will never be in the NBA. If you think GP or anybody that scouted him for that matter even paid attention to his offense you are fooling yourself.

Christie could give you offense though if you needed it. Ewing cannot. Many times when the teams offense was stagnant Christie stepped up and scored for us. Plus Christie could easily have averaged 15-18ppg on a bad team if he wanted to. Ewing cannot.

Comparing him to Christie is an insult to Christie. Ewing Jr. is not the lock down defender that everyone thinks he is. He is good, but not Christie, Artest, or Wallace good.

If he makes the team then it's a moral victory for him.. But I doubt he will.

Last year when I saw him for the first time I thought to myself "ugh it's another players son who is getting special treatment". He looks lost out there offensively although he moves around a lot, and defensively he is good, but not NBA good yet. Can he be? Maybe.... But I am not crossing my fingers, because if all he can be is "good" defensively he's going to end up cut from the team this fall. He needs to bring more to the table than what he showed me at G'town.

 

[Gary]

I personally have not extensively watched him play. All I have to go on is people's opinions. Like this one:

OK, well that's from a G'town fan.. Why not listen to people that are non biased who have watched him play too? i have seen him at least 20-25 times in the last couple years, and he was never the player I thought would even come close to being drafted. Like the guy said above he was the fifth best player on a team that had only one player with first round talent. That should tell you something. There were a couple seniors that didn't get drafted who were better than Ewing, and a Junior that didn't come out who was better than Ewing.

Oh, forgot to mention that he is foul prone.

 

[BMiller52]

OK, well that's from a G'town fan.. Why not listen to people that are non biased who have watched him play too? i have seen him at least 20-25 times in the last couple years, and he was never the player I thought would even come close to being drafted. Like the guy said above he was the fifth best player on a team that had only one player with first round talent. That should tell you something. There were a couple seniors that didn't get drafted who were better than Ewing, and a Junior that didn't come out who was better than Ewing.

Oh, forgot to mention that he is foul prone.

Ehh I think DaJuan Summers will be a 1st rounder next year.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Ehh I think DaJuan Summers will be a 1st rounder next year.

The thing about Georgetown's system is that it's as slow as a snail--possessions are minimized, efficiency is maximized--and frankly, at the college basketball level, it works. But for the NBA level--it limits the appeal of some of their NBA prospects, because their numbers aren't "gaudy" enough. It's tough, especially when looking at stat lines such as Roy Hibbert going 5-6 from the field in like 22 minutes, because he doesn't touch the ball enough. The same could be said with our own draft pick Pat Ewing Jr., who only played 20ish minutes a game and thus couldn't score much at all. Obviously part of the blame goes on the system, and I think that doesn't cater to Ewing's athletic play, and for that I think he will fare better in the NBA--but come on, for reasons I've stated above, he's already quite old and a tad too raw, and so you can't blame Georgetown's system for all that.

As for the quote above, I'm not a real fan of DaJuan Summers--I think he peaked in his freshman year when he really contributed to that Jeff Green-Roy Hibber team and surprised everyone and had scouts gagging over him and treating him as a future lottery pick. But after a totally unsurprising sophomore year, he showed that he's merely a slightly above average athlete (at best), a mere jumpshooter, who does little else. I mean, those Caron Butler comparisons were an insult to Caron Butler himself. He may obviously develop, but I think his ceiling is less than what was initially perceived.

 

[bajaden]

Wallace didn't but the talent level is totally different than Ewing Jr.

That's like me saying Elton Brand hasn't developed a 3pt shot yet so Ewing Jr. wont. It just doesn't make sense to compare a learned skill from player to player. Ewing Jr. might develop a 3pt shot, who knows... But right now his shot mechanics are pretty bad from outside, and he will need to be taught how to shoot it consistently correctly..

As it stands right now Ewing is not a 3pt threat at all, and he will need to learn to be or else he probably wont make it in the league. It's hard to make it on defense alone unless you are one of the best defensively which Ewing Jr. is not.

I would also like to point out that Ewing is a senior with four years of college and Wallace was a lot younger. I believe 19 yrs old. I didn't go back and look it up, but by the time Wallace reached Ewing's age his jump shot had improved signicantly.

My point is that Ewing's shot didn't improve in four years of college. I think he's destined to be a Michael Smith type of player.

 

[bajaden]

yep he's here to guard people. Well Kmart's shot mechanics don't look the best but they somehow work for him, especially his 3pt shots. So maybe something can be done for PE jr too. Hopefully.

Actualy, if you were to break down K-Mart's shot in slow motion, you would see that when he gets to the point of release, his form is perfect. The hitch in his shot occurs before he reachs the point of release. I will admit it looks a bit funny, but he's actualy got pretty good form. My concern with him was whether that hitch would cause him to have trouble getting his shot off. So far it hasn't.

 

[bajaden]

I've seen Patrick Ewing Jr. play probably 20 times. I wish him all the luck in the world. I, for one will greatly surprised if he makes our team. I was talking on the phone with my son in Sacramento when he was picked, and the words out of my mouth were, " You've got to be kidding me ". I was shocked. I honestly didn't think he would be drafted.

If Petrie see's talent there, and is able to develop it, then he truely is a genius. Personaly, I don't think they cared who they drafted at that position. They probably threw a dart at their board and it hit Ewing's name.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I've seen Patrick Ewing Jr. play probably 20 times. I wish him all the luck in the world. I, for one will greatly surprised if he makes our team. I was talking on the phone with my son in Sacramento when he was picked, and the words out of my mouth were, " You've got to be kidding me ". I was shocked. I honestly didn't think he would be drafted.

If Petrie see's talent there, and is able to develop it, then he truely is a genius. Personaly, I don't think they cared who they drafted at that position. They probably threw a dart at their board and it hit Ewing's name.

shoulda took a international player with promise so we could at least trade his draft rights if he turned out to be decent. could have traded our pick to another team for a future 2nd.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I would also like to point out that Ewing is a senior with four years of college and Wallace was a lot younger. I believe 19 yrs old. I didn't go back and look it up, but by the time Wallace reached Ewing's age his jump shot had improved signicantly.

My point is that Ewing's shot didn't improve in four years of college. I think he's destined to be a Michael Smith type of player.

Senior or not, shooting is still something that can be learned. Now that doesn't mean he ever will learn it; however, regardless of age, there are some things that can be learned with a good shooting coach. Just look at Bruce Bowen.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

rasheeds wife is like 4'11....

So was Kareem's...not sure if they had any kids though. You around here anywhere Hoopsie, I know you'd know? lol

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I would also like to point out that Ewing is a senior with four years of college and Wallace was a lot younger. I believe 19 yrs old. I didn't go back and look it up, but by the time Wallace reached Ewing's age his jump shot had improved signicantly.

My point is that Ewing's shot didn't improve in four years of college. I think he's destined to be a Michael Smith type of player.

Which Mike Smith?? Certainly you aren't comparing him with 'The Animal'. lol

 

[bajaden]

Which Mike Smith?? Certainly you aren't comparing him with 'The Animal'. lol

Only in shooting ability.. Not in body type..

 

[bajaden]

Speaking of Michael Smith, I'm sure most of you remember, but for those that don't. Once in a game, Smith was on the free throw line against the Sun's. Barkley was lined up to rebound. Just before Smith was about to shoot the free throw, Barkley turned to him and said, " Just try and hit the backboard ". Smith cracked up..

 

[JJ_Evans]

Can we not nickname him PEJR, reminds me too much of PEJA... LOL

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

It looks like Abetamarco trying to say "Peja."

 

[Gary]

Speaking of Michael Smith I was able to attend that great game against the Kings and the Sonics when Brian Grant and Smith were either rookies or 2nd year players. What a game. The Kings came from down a ton in the 3rd Q, an won it. It was a playoff like atmosphere.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Speaking of Michael Smith I was able to attend that great game against the Kings and the Sonics when Brian Grant and Smith were either rookies or 2nd year players. What a game. The Kings came from down a ton in the 3rd Q, an won it. It was a playoff like atmosphere.

I was at that game too! We scored I think it was 31 straight pts. to beat probably one of the best teams of the 90's, they had Shawn Kemp, Hersey Hawkins, Gary Payton and Detlef Schrempf all in their primes. Was an incredible game, for sure!

 

[CruzDude]

and Marcus Malone, the cousin of Karl Malone, is one the Kings summer league team. Do cousins count?

 

[Spike]

As long as they're not kissing cousins, I suppose. Bubba has a daughter in the WBNA now - I'm pretty sure she can fill up the lane and grab some boards. I think an invitation should be extended.