Pacers' O'Neal Wants Bonzi

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O'Neal hopes Pacers deal for Harrington or Wells

By Ian Thomsen


While the rest of the league is guessing what the Indiana Pacers will net in their ongoing attempts to trade Ron Artest, team captain and All-Star Jermaine O'Neal has made two suggestions -- one surprising, the other not -- to franchise president Donnie Walsh and GM Larry Bird.
"I think the two guys who can really come in and help us right away are Bonzi Wells and Al Harrington," says O'Neal.

Harrington is an obvious choice. He spent his initial six years with Indiana before requesting a trade that sent him to Atlanta in July 2004 for Stephen Jackson. O'Neal thinks he would be ready to come back. "I've talked to Al," says O'Neal. "He's probably the closest friend in the league that I have. He's almost like a brother to me. We talk all the time.
"As a player you don't want to talk too much about it. We understand that he's a very loyal guy, that he's a Hawk right now and his state of mind is to improve the Hawks. But he does understand that if a trade does come up and he does have to come back, that it would be a good situation for him. It's more a fairy tale until it actually happens."

But O'Neal maintains that factors more than friendship are behind his suggestion. "He's familiar with the program, he knows what we like to do," says O'Neal. "I told Larry and Donnie I really would like to get Al because he is a 6-foot-9 'four' (power forward), who's very strong, very quick, plays multiple positions. He's almost a version of Ron: not as good individually defensively, but offensively, he can put up bigger numbers immediately. He's shown that. It would be a very adjustable situation, and a situation he could pick up quickly on."

O'Neal believes that Wells could also adjust quickly. "He can play the three, has a big body, fits into what we're doing, thinks defense, can score on anybody offensively," says O'Neal. "It's really those two guys."
What makes Wells especially interesting is that most insiders have predicted that Indiana would prefer Wells' Sacramento teammate, Peja Stojakovic.

"If Peja was brought to this team, we'd do what we can do to help him get into our style of play," says O'Neal. "Western Conference basketball is much different than Eastern Conference basketball. It's more of a slowdown pace. We don't run around, we don't do the fancy passes, we don't do any of that stuff. We don't have the space, especially with me being on the team. It gets real crowded, and guys help a lot against our team.

"He's a big time shooter, but I think there would have to be an adjustment period for him defensively with our style of play."
No matter what direction the Pacers move toward, O'Neal is clearly ready to move on.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/12/14/artest.oneal/index.html
 
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Diabeticwonder said:
O'Neal hopes Pacers deal for Harrington or Wells

By Ian Thomsen



O'Neal believes that Wells could also adjust quickly. "He can play the three, has a big body, fits into what we're doing, thinks defense, can score on anybody offensively," says O'Neal. "It's really those two guys."
What makes Wells especially interesting is that most insiders have predicted that Indiana would prefer Wells' Sacramento teammate, Peja Stojakovic.

"If Peja was brought to this team, we'd do what we can do to help him get into our style of play," says O'Neal. "Western Conference basketball is much different than Eastern Conference basketball. It's more of a slowdown pace. We don't run around, we don't do the fancy passes, we don't do any of that stuff. We don't have the space, especially with me being on the team. It gets real crowded, and guys help a lot against our team.

"He's a big time shooter, but I think there would have to be an adjustment period for him defensively with our style of play."
No matter what direction the Pacers move toward, O'Neal is clearly ready to move on.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/12/14/artest.oneal/index.html

He can move on WITHOUT BONZI.....
 

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#4
Not only no, but hell no... But, you're more than welcome to BP, and...


:: rifles through refrigerator ::


This leftover casserole I've got...
 
#6
Ummm I'm not even considering Ron for Bonzi. Ron for Peja sure, but Bonzi is clutch and a fan favorite. This move would be stupid as hell, Jermaine get your HANDS OFF. Take Peja and be happy with him.
 
#8
hahaha...good one, JO. :p

bonzi is not going anywhere. leastways not if GP and the maloofs want to retain their floundering fan support.
 
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playmaker0017

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ARE YOU ALL INSANE?

Bonzi Wells is on a hot streak and is currently playing out of his mind. He career numbers don't even begin to hint that he's capable of maintaining.

He's done some nice things, but if you can get Artest for Bonzi Wells - you do that three times ... four times on Sunday.

Bonzi is in his contract year. He's going to demand a hefty fee. Artest is locked up and if worse comes to worse - you can still move him.

Bonzi is a decent enough player - but Artest is top 20 in the league.

Don't let fan-homerism cloud your vision. Artest is 10 times the player Bonzi is. He's a better scorer both inside and out. He's a FAR better defender. He's also a better rebounder for his career.

Anyone on this team is expendable. Period.
 
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playmaker0017 said:
ARE YOU ALL INSANE?

Bonzi Wells is on a hot streak and is currently playing out of his mind. He career numbers don't even begin to hint that he's capable of maintaining.

He's done some nice things, but if you can get Artest for Bonzi Wells - you do that three times ... four times on Sunday.

Bonzi is in his contract year. He's going to demand a hefty fee. Artest is locked up and if worse comes to worse - you can still move him.

Bonzi is a decent enough player - but Artest is top 20 in the league.

Don't let fan-homerism cloud your vision. Artest is 10 times the player Bonzi is. He's a better scorer both inside and out. He's a FAR better defender. He's also a better rebounder for his career.

Anyone on this team is expendable. Period.

And it'd hurt public relations. Bonzi has become a fan favorite, he's finally happy, doing better on the boards than our PF and C, and he hasn't exploded in the locker room. Bring in artest and he'll drop a TV on Mike's head, Reef will be all WTF! Peja will huddle himself next to a corner while sucking his thumb, Brad will start rocking some country music, and Fransisco will shoot a 3 from half court...yeah
 

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playmaker0017 said:
ARE YOU ALL INSANE?

Bonzi Wells is on a hot streak and is currently playing out of his mind. He career numbers don't even begin to hint that he's capable of maintaining.

He's done some nice things, but if you can get Artest for Bonzi Wells - you do that three times ... four times on Sunday.

Bonzi is in his contract year. He's going to demand a hefty fee. Artest is locked up and if worse comes to worse - you can still move him.

Bonzi is a decent enough player - but Artest is top 20 in the league.

Don't let fan-homerism cloud your vision. Artest is 10 times the player Bonzi is. He's a better scorer both inside and out. He's a FAR better defender. He's also a better rebounder for his career.

Anyone on this team is expendable. Period.

Even if You are right about Bonzi - I don't want to see Artest in Kings uniform
 
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BMiller52 said:
And it'd hurt public relations. Bonzi has become a fan favorite, he's finally happy, doing better on the boards than our PF and C, and he hasn't exploded in the locker room. Bring in artest and he'll drop a TV on Mike's head, Reef will be all WTF! Peja will huddle himself next to a corner while sucking his thumb, Brad will start rocking some country music, and Fransisco will shoot a 3 from half court...yeah
LOL!!! Good one. I found it hard to contain my self at work after reading this one.
 
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playmaker0017 said:
ARE YOU ALL INSANE?

Bonzi Wells is on a hot streak and is currently playing out of his mind. He career numbers don't even begin to hint that he's capable of maintaining.

He's done some nice things, but if you can get Artest for Bonzi Wells - you do that three times ... four times on Sunday.

Bonzi is in his contract year. He's going to demand a hefty fee. Artest is locked up and if worse comes to worse - you can still move him.

Bonzi is a decent enough player - but Artest is top 20 in the league.

Don't let fan-homerism cloud your vision. Artest is 10 times the player Bonzi is. He's a better scorer both inside and out. He's a FAR better defender. He's also a better rebounder for his career.

Anyone on this team is expendable. Period.
bonzi has proven to be consistent so far this season. i dont care what bonzi's career numbers are. this is the first year of his career in a kings uniform. he's also emerging as the leader of this band of misfits. he may command some money in the offseason, but i dont think he'll command the kind of money the kings need to worry about (see peja stojakovic). artest is intriguing, and i'd trade peja for him in a heartbeat, because that's an upgrade in toughness. but trading one loose cannon for another is pointless unless you have security. artest's career numbers indicate a lot about him as a player, and his career off the court problems indicate a lot about his lack of reliability. artest for peja is a good swap, because you can count on peja walking anyways, so its a worthwhile and calculated risk. bonzi for artest i dont like as much because bonzi is the heart, soul, and hustle of this kings team right now, and it would be a devastating blow to whatever team chemistry we have if we traded him (see chris webber).
 
#22
I think you do Bonzi for Artest before the Pacers sober up.

It mitigates the "psycho waiting to explode" factor since you're trading one for the other. And you don't have to pay off Bonzi in a contract year (see Mike Bibby).

Then you trade Peja for somebody else (anybody).
 
#24
I'd be pretty okay with it. As before Bonzi came here/was in talks - I really liked the idea of a Artest/Peja swing combo (being two of my favorite players). Not without any missing for Bonzi though, of course. That hasn't really come up in my mind since (along with Artest's back-together with Pacers this summer/into the season) though. But, I highly doubt that it goes down. Also, I'd ultimately prefer a Bonzi/Artest swing combo.

This comes really outta nowhere, but shows something, generally, could be going on between Sac/Indy for Artest.
 
#25
There is no way the Pacers trade Artest for Bonzi straight up (I'm not even sure that works). Artest is insane...yes, but you get more in return than Bonzi Wells for Ron Artest.
 
#27
Even though I love how Bonzi plays, I can't ignore the fact that Bonzi is in his contract year. If he asks for too much money, then he will be gone. I don't think the King's will sign both Peja and Bonzi. I expect one to be gone next year. Hopefully it is Peja and not Bonzi.
 
#28
Indiana is a Mess Right Now!!

playmaker0017 said:
ARE YOU ALL INSANE?

Bonzi Wells is on a hot streak and is currently playing out of his mind. He career numbers don't even begin to hint that he's capable of maintaining.

He's done some nice things, but if you can get Artest for Bonzi Wells - you do that three times ... four times on Sunday.

Bonzi is in his contract year. He's going to demand a hefty fee. Artest is locked up and if worse comes to worse - you can still move him.

Bonzi is a decent enough player - but Artest is top 20 in the league.

Don't let fan-homerism cloud your vision. Artest is 10 times the player Bonzi is. He's a better scorer both inside and out. He's a FAR better defender. He's also a better rebounder for his career.

Anyone on this team is expendable. Period.
I completely agree. And Bonzi has grown on me big time. But Artest gives you more defense, less rebounding, better outside shooting, the same post up play, more contract and better trade value. I want to keep Bonzi, but there is no guarantee he will be here in Sac at the right price in 2006.

What this tells me is that Indiana is a complete mess right now, when your star franchise player is making trades through the media. I love Jermaine, but I do not know what he is thinking, speaking publically like this about other players.
 
#29
Stojakovic said:
There is no way the Pacers trade Artest for Bonzi straight up (I'm not even sure that works). Artest is insane...yes, but you get more in return than Bonzi Wells for Ron Artest.
Insanity. No thanks. Not for Bonzi, not for Peja, not for anyone.

Maybe Artest and T.O. can hook up and become talk show hosts.