[Game] Pacers @ Kings 11-30

[Kingster]

Kings said they wanted to run in this game. They had at most five, yes five fast breaks in this game. They converted at most (to be generous) three fast breaks in the entire game. B-Jackson at half said they looked like they were playing back-to-back instead of having a couple of days off. No way this team wins with this pace. We'll continue to see these low scoring slug fests in which Kings lose. They have to get much easier shots, like the Pacers got all night.

 

[sdballer]

I'm not sure what you mean. I thought Jimmer looked pretty good tonight and I don't just mean shooting.

I thought he looked ok too. My response was related to the fact that him playing starters minutes would push us to .500 ball. He doesn't do enough right now to have that kind of impact.

 

[Arkitect]

If they keep at this rate they will get 22 wins and 60 losses.

And this is the easy part of our schedule. This team is in big trouble.

 

[tyreeeke]

Of course. He still doesn't defend at all and his passing/team game is so-so at best but that stuff is overated anyway.

Its not a game of horse.

Jimmer 3 assists in 17 minutes. MT and AB 1 assist in 63 minutes. Of course.

 

[kingjatt]

lol i called it, smart blamed the loss on rekes absence, anything but blaming himself or pointing a mistake of his or two.

 

[sdballer]

Jimmer 3 assists in 17 minutes. MT and AB 1 assist in 63 minutes. Of course.

Yes, both MT and AB sucked at passing the ball tonight too.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Same story different game. Bad bad bad bad coaching

 

[rainmaker]

Jimmer 3 assists in 17 minutes. MT and AB 1 assist in 63 minutes. Of course.

Yeah, all of them pretty much looked for their own shot all night. Jimmer at least made his.

 

[Glenn]

He also said it comes down to making that one game winning shot. What was a referring to? He has a bunch of canned comments and just lets fly. If I were a player, pretty soon I'd be tuning him out. He doesn't say anything useful.

There is something really missing inside this guy's skull.

He just said "you can't tell a guy he won't be playing tonight because you might need him. Someone might get injured." What????? How profound.

 

[kingjatt]

smart was asked directly, "how do you decide between IT and Jimmer"? he said he doesnt know, "ummm errr matchups? you cant tell a guy hes not playing tonight because you might need him."

 

[Glenn]

smart was asked directly, "how do you decide between IT and Jimmer"? he said he doesnt know, "ummm errr matchups? you cant tell a guy hes not playing tonight because you might need him."

It's a non answer.




"There's been an improvement (from last year) except just the record hasn't changed." I just barfed.

 

[kingjatt]

It's a non answer.

its seems more like hes trying to hide the fact that he randomly chooses and trys to keep everyone happy.

 

[tyreeeke]

He also said it comes down to making that one game winning shot. What was a referring to? He has a bunch of canned comments and just lets fly. If I were a player, pretty soon I'd be tuning him out. He doesn't say anything useful.

There is something really missing inside this guy's skull.

He just said "you can't tell a guy he won't be playing tonight because you might need him. Someone might get injured." What????? How profound.

Keith Smart is a talking head, nothing more. Sounds good, but useless. He makes no stance. He sways and sways.

 

[rainmaker]

He coaches scared. Scared to commit to a set rotation and scared to define roles and tell players what they can and cannot do.

 

[Glenn]

He coaches scared. Scared to commit to a set rotation and scared to define roles and tell players what they can and cannot do.

I don't think he knows what any of that means. I don't think he knows what a "role" is, I don't think he has an offensive philosophy, I don't think he understands defense, I don't think he knows what a set rotation is or better yet, why it is important. What has he been doing all these years as an assistant? Has he been an inspirational speaker or baby sitter? I am getting so I feel sorry for the players. Of course I feel bad for us. This is absurd and of course you blame the coach. Some posters put the blame on the players but if they have no instruction, what are they to do? This is like one highly paid group of guys who have no more preparation than a huge playground basketball team.

 

[Section 101]

I've heared much worse than this.

They were booing taking out jimmer.

 

[tyreeeke]

I'm guessing Tyreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeke will show up any minute now.

lol, was out shopping for my soon to be born baby. Thanks for the shout, though.

 

[sdballer]

lol, was out shopping for my soon to be born baby. Thanks for the shout, though.

Are you naming him Jimmer ?

 

[tyreeeke]

Are you naming him Jimmer ?

Wow, maybe? I think Jimmer can be used for a girl, too. I am guaranteed to pick the middle name, so now that you bring it up...at the very least, her middle name will be Jimmer. Thanks a bunch!

 

[mac]

Jimmer is certainly playing better than IT. Kudos to him - his improvement is only better for us. What I like is that Jimmer is at least telling guys to get into certain spots. I think he would work well paired with a better playmaking SG ... Oh wait that's kinda what I was hoping for when we drafted him - for him to be paired with Evans.

 

[sqwalk]

Jimmer is certainly playing better than IT. Kudos to him - his improvement is only better for us. What I like is that Jimmer is at least telling guys to get into certain spots. I think he would work well paired with a better playmaking SG ... Oh wait that's kinda what I was hoping for when we drafted him - for him to be paired with Evans.

I completely agree mac, and what I've been advocating for awhile now. If we can only see Reke and jimmer play together, I really think it could be a great pairing for many seasons. They just seem like they would compliment each other. But for now, its just wishful thinking.

 

[baller13]

I completely agree mac, and what I've been advocating for awhile now. If we can only see Reke and jimmer play together, I really think it could be a great pairing for many seasons. They just seem like they would compliment each other. But for now, its just wishful thinking.

Only problem might be is that you can see jimmer wants to control the ball and I'm pretty sure we all agree that the ball should be in Tyreke's hands. Jimmer has to adjust and play of the ball like brooks does when he plays with tyreke

 

[UK_King]

It's quite simple really, you use smarts only play (curl off screen to the middle) for Jimmer.

With Tyreke hitting Jimmer as he comes into the lane you'd probably get Jimmer up to 15-20 points a night on that alone. Jimmer has really improved his floater.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's quite simple really, you use smarts only play (curl off screen to the middle) for Jimmer.

With Tyreke hitting Jimmer as he comes into the lane you'd probably get Jimmer up to 15-20 points a night on that alone. Jimmer has really improved his floater.

um....no

the moment Jimmer becomes a threat the league cares about, his numbers will plummet with defensive attention. We might be able to get away wiht that for a week or so though before scouts started reporting back.

 

[UK_King]

um....no

the moment Jimmer becomes a threat the league cares about, his numbers will plummet with defensive attention. We might be able to get away wiht that for a week or so though before scouts started reporting back.

well with respect, If they bring the high pressure off the screen he has the drop off to cuz (or whoever is setting that down screen), if they bring weak side help someone else is open, Jimmer has shown he can find the open man this season.

This is a play the Bulls ran alot for Kyle Korver last year, and it worked extremely well, it got him a lot of good shots from mid range and equally a lot of easy shots for Noah.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as to say "um... no" when we've not seen it run once.

 

[Bricklayer]

well with respect, If they bring the high pressure off the screen he has the drop off to cuz (or whoever is setting that down screen), if they bring weak side help someone else is open, Jimmer has shown he can find the open man this season.

This is a play the Bulls ran alot for Kyle Korver last year, and it worked extremely well, it got him a lot of good shots from mid range and equally a lot of easy shots for Noah.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as to say "um... no" when we've not seen it run once.

I do wonder where this Jimmer has shown he can find the open man stuff has come from. He looks more settled out there, but if anything possibly even more selfish ever since Smart's great coaching adivce of gun it like you have a greenlight every play. He's actually taking more shots a minute than Durant is. Every play he runs, he runs it for himself.

As an aside, he's 6'2" and not terribly quick, not 6'7" like Korver. Makes a major difference when a team wants to smother you off a pick.

 

[rainmaker]

Jimmer is the most "me first" PG we have on the team. He's shooting better and looks much more comfortable, but that seems to have led him to pass even less.

Only time he seems to pass is when he drives into traffic, gets doubled, picked up his dribble and has no other option, or every once in awhile will make a pass to start off an offensive set. As for driving and creating, he drives for himself, with blinders on. He regularly gets the ball up top, stops, backups up with his dribble, waits for a screen, comes off the screen firing or going on for a floater. To his credit he's been making more than missing, but the problem is that's our PG who's not looking to create for anyone else.

I really don't understand the Nash comparisons, after looking past the stats. BTW, you can do that with any number of young players in this league, matching up their stats with other players and saying they're similar. Nash naturally looks to get others off, constantly waits for the role man on a pick & roll to get open, and regularly drives and kicks which is absent from Jimmer's game.

I have mixed feelings on Jimmer's improvement. It is good to see and he looks far more comfortable, but at the same time the offense basically stops so Jimmer can chuck, and chuck he will. While he was putting up 5 shots in 6 mins in the first half yesterday, some missed that he was freezing out MT who was basically a bystander the entire first half. Jimmer and Smart need to find a way to implement Jimmer's improvement into a team concept, because right now we're not better off for Jimmer just doing his thing out there. His defense doesn't help giving up what he scores on the other end.

 

[UK_King]

well like you say thats on the coach to outline how Jimmer uses his minutes, and we know he's been told to "be agressive" and "look for his shot," in the main his shots been falling and he's shown some new touches on offense, so i really don't get the knock that he's "being selfish," He's just doing what he's told, and generally very well. (on offense)

Anyway I'm not trying to say Jimmer is the answer, I'm just musing on ways he'd get a few open shots, I don't claim to know the future so it might be the worst idea in the history of Basketball, but somehow i doubt it.

 

[UK_King]

Jimmer is the most "me first" PG we have on the team. He's shooting better and looks much more comfortable, but that seems to have led him to pass even less.

Only time he seems to pass is when he drives into traffic, gets doubled, picked up his dribble and has no other option, or every once in awhile will make a pass to start off an offensive set. As for driving and creating, he drives for himself, with blinders on. He regularly gets the ball up top, stops, backups up with his dribble, waits for a screen, comes off the screen firing or going on for a floater. To his credit he's been making more than missing, but the problem is that's our PG who's not looking to create for anyone else.

I really don't understand the Nash comparisons, after looking past the stats. BTW, you can do that with any number of young players in this league, matching up their stats with other players and saying they're similar. Nash naturally looks to get others off, constantly waits for the role man on a pick & roll to get open, and regularly drives and kicks which is absent from Jimmer's game.

I have mixed feelings on Jimmer's improvement. It is good to see and he looks far more comfortable, but at the same time the offense basically stops so Jimmer can chuck, and chuck he will. While he was putting up 5 shots in 6 mins in the first half yesterday, some missed that he was freezing out MT who was basically a bystander the entire first half. Jimmer and Smart need to find a way to implement Jimmer's improvement into a team concept, because right now we're not better off for Jimmer just doing his thing out there. His defense doesn't help giving up what he scores on the other end.

well i just re watched his first quarter minutes and he hit Thornton off a screen who pounded the ball and gave it him back with 6 on the shot clock - he missed a shot.

Then he hit Chuck Hayes with a nice pass.

Then he looked for Thornton again who drove into traffic and turned it over.

Then he had the spin move for an and one

then he hit a three to end the quarter.

In the second quarter Marcus and Jimmer didn't play together so it was the coach that froze him out.

 

[Glenn]

Jimmer DOES look like a me first guard and if this is the way he looks 3 years from now, I'd be very bugged. But. as I always have a defense, this is far better than last year when he didn't look comfortable at anything. Even his shot wasn't falling.

For a young guy, I'd like to see him get comfortable in the transition to the NBA doing what he does best before asking him to expand his game. Have no doubts on what I am saying, he MUST expand what he does on the court to have a successful NBA career. The jury is out on whether he can adjust in other areas but I don't think anyone knows his future other than his height and maybe he'll have a hard time with defense. As it is, in the big picture of the Kings who have little that can induce me to watch a game, I say bravo! to Jimmer. Let's be patient.