bajaden
Hall of Famer
You could not be more wrong!
Orlando looking for PG and C depth...
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You could not be more wrong!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
While I'm generally in agreement with IT, I think its simply a question of need with proposals like this. I think IT has a role as a major change of pace from the slow footed Vasquez. He can be a bench spark. But presumably its not a platoon, so we're talking maybe 16-18min sort of stuff. So if you move IT as part of a package to bring back somebody who will play a larger role, its got to be on the table. Ironically especially BECAUSE of that tiny contract. Gives him some possible trade value now, and the thing is, with both Vasquez and IT as free agents next year if we keep both guys around the cost of our PGs could blow up from $3mil total this year, to $10+mil next year. So presumably one or the other or both will be gone next season. So if you can score a long term fit at a need position for us, its again a thought. Just not at all convinced that player is on Orlando.
Nikolizzle
G-League
I agree. Once IT moves to the 6th man role, people will appreciate him a LOT more.
His energy will be a big thing for this team.
lwc
Starter
Agree.
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KingMilz
Guest
I still say trade Thompson and IT for Afflalo as a undersized SF, he provides everything we need and is good insurance if M16 turns out to be a flop (who than we can trade for something else), Afflalo has been defending SF's and the oppositions best players for a long time him being 1-2inches shorter than some of the SF's is not going to make a difference in particular since he can make them work down the other end of the floor. He's far better even @SF than Luke Richard will ever be I would be going hard for this move and the spacing if we also start Patterson would be unreal for Cousins he would be like Dwight (with skills but) in Orlando.
randymoss1881
Starter
You don't want Afflalo trust me living in Orlando I saw 60+ games he isn't the same dude from Denver or Detroit. I don't know if its cause he plays on a bad team but the new AA takes bad shot after bad shot and rarely plays defense
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He is just not a SF. And JT and IT are either a starter and our top bench guy, or our top 2 bench guys in all likelihood. Would leave us without a backup center or a backup PG with any seasoning at all. For the right return, sure.
AA is long away from his days as a defensive stopper. And what made him valuable was his big-time defense and outstanding efficiency. He's lost both of those things, although the efficiency is understable as he was forced into a #1 option role.
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KingMilz
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If Thompson is a C than Afflalo is a SF, if John Salmons played SF all last year Afflalo can easily. Aaron is easily better than both IT and Thompson who is primarly a PF which we have a log jam at, we can still sign Cole Alridch for cheap as a C if we lose Thompson.
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KingMilz
Guest
1 injury riddled year is a long way from his defensive stopper days in Denver? In Orlando he was asked to do more on offense so off course his defense will suffer a bit. It's 1 year on a new team where he was asked to do more on offense and missed close to 20 games due to injury that is not a long way from his defensive stopper days not even close.
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uhh no. JT actually has the size to play C. The NBA is many years removed from everyone having the big bruising C. Afflalo would be outmatched against a SF position which has developed tons of size and athleticism over the years.
Thats the issue. He stopped playing Defense in Denver, just not Orlando.
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KingMilz
Guest
No he never stopped playing defense in Denver, as far as Orlando I didn't watch but I watch Denver closely he was always there #1 defender.
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KingMilz
Guest
JT can't hold his position against PF's and is soft, Afflalo while undersized is not soft, PJ Tucker is smaller/same size as AA and does fine guarding SF's, the reality is no one will stop Lebron, Durrant, Gay and these freaks so it's better you have someone who can make them work down the other end that's probably a better defense
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Chupacabra
Starter
The problem with trading WAY too much for Afflalo, besides trying to play him out of position, is that he just isnt that good.
Why would we want Afflalo anyway when we just drafted Ben McLemore? For that matter, Tyreke is better, younger, can play both guard positions, and wouldn't have cost that much more. It just doesn't make sense for us. Acquiring a young defensive-minded SF on a rookie deal? Yes, absolutely. Orlando probably doesn't trade him, but it makes a lot of sense from our end to ask about him. A solid but unspectacular SG on a market value deal? We already have one of those, and we have McLemore.
Gary
All-Star
No way... 10% is probably a bit high even for a second round player. About 50% of second round players don't even make the team let alone them being productive on the team they made. We might get lucky again though. I wouldn't even give MLM a 45% chance of being productive.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
For me the bottom line with any trade at this point is we can not afford to bleed anymore talent, trades need to either IMPROVE our talent base (starting 5 and first 2-3 off the bench) OR we at least they need to improve the position we trade for while NOT weakening our talent at the position we trade from. That is why moving Hayes, Jimmer, & Outlaw is attractive,but why moving IT, MT, or JT is tricky and needs to be for solid proven talent.
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Darth Divac
Bench
I think it's more than a 45% chance Mclemore becomes a productive player at some point.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Kid is going to be baller. Will be one of the most productive picks of the 2nd round. A lot of people's perceptions, who had little previous knowledge of him, are naturally going to be colored by the teams overall underwhelming play in the summer league, but its apparent he has the motor, ball handling, competitiveness - D/boards, body.. he just has to see the floor a smidgen better in the half court and keep on improving that jumper
Kingsfan23
All-Star
I was referring to McCallum on the previous post, didn't realize the convo changed back to McLemore
