one more shot at garnett

[King4Life]

No, You've got Artest. One great player. Now you need the second. That's KG. So you burn what else you need. Our hopes would have to center aroudn Reef and his mini-contract I think, to go with Brad OR Bibby. A pick. And then unfortunately probably a kid. Minnesota will want a future as well as a present to trade away thier franchise.

Will Artest gel with Garnett? I'm not saying he won't, but there's always a possibility. By trading away Artest for KG you still gain enough. You will lose that perimeter defense that Artest gives you, but you get a guy who's a better interior defender (ie blocks shots), better rebounder, better offensive player, and a leader who's always going to stay composed. The Kings would kinda be like the Kings old with Garnett in place of Webber.


My first choice would be to trade Miller, but that isn't going to be enough. My second choice would be to trade Bibby without Miller or Artest. The third option would be Artest. The last option ONLY to avoid sending Garnett to the Lakers would be Miller+Artest.

 

[BMiller52]

Artest+Miller is WAY too much to give for Garnett.

 

[ForlornKing]

Shareef, Miller, Kevin Martin, 1st. for Garnett

 

[King4Life]

Artest+Miller is WAY too much to give for Garnett.

I agree. It's basically my dislike for the Lakers talking with that trade scenario.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

No, You've got Artest. One great player. Now you need the second. That's KG. So you burn what else you need. Our hopes would have to center aroudn Reef and his mini-contract I think, to go with Brad OR Bibby. A pick. And then unfortunately probably a kid. Minnesota will want a future as well as a present to trade away thier franchise.

amen... I want KG so bad! but i think he wants kobe, and the LAKERS can offer more... but we will see

 

[MrBiggs]

Minny wants draft picks, young players, and expiring contracts.

We can't offer any of the three.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Minny wants draft picks, young players, and expiring contracts.

We can't offer any of the three.

Dude we have Corlis and Potepinko. KMArt and Garcia. The only think we cant really offer is a good pick

 

[Bricklayer]

Minny wants draft picks, young players, and expiring contracts.

We can't offer any of the three.

Yeah, actually right now we can offer MANY of the three, along with some outstanding fill in players in their prime

Just a question of cost. The Kevin and Cisco developments have considerably upped our young player appeal. The push for a playoff position slightly weakened it. Overall, we can still put together a very competitive package. If we want to.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

I think we have one of the best shots at him... but I think the best shot is LA sadly. We will need to match an offer of odem, kwame and bynum. Now I guess if you look at it... LA might not be willing to give up odem, a proven yet streaky good player, kwame, the undercahiving but still huge and streaky PF/C, and a very very young C/PF with unlimited potential... with that said, we might be able to get KG with our packages... I pray we do. KG with ron would be so amazing... I just hope ron would liek it

 

[nbrans]

In order to even get Minnesota to pick up the phone I think it's going to take at least Bibby, one or possibly both of the youngsters, Shareef or Kenny, Corliss and Potapenko's expiring deals and a pick for Garnett and one or two of their bad deals. Even then, if you were Minnesota, would you go for the Kings' package of spare parts or a package from Chicago that includes Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas (Chicago's lottery pick from the Knicks)?

But if Minnesota wanted Bibby, it would be preferable if it were part of a three team deal -- otherwise the Kings would be looking at Troy Hudson as their starting point guard next year. I don't think Minnesota would want Miller because he's too old to build around, and I don't even know that they would go for Artest because of the unpredictability of trading the franchise for someone with Artest's history.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm sticking with my Bibby, Reef, Kevin, #1 pick then attempted switches of Corliss/Vitaly for Jaric/Griffin approach. Figure if the switches were accepted, you just might be able to get by with Garcia/Jaric as your PGs, because between Ron/KG/Brad you would have the most creative frontcourt in basketball, and the PG would just be watching and spotting up anyway.

In any case, all speculation. But if we did puruse KG we are one fo the few teams that have the materials to put together a competitive package and still be left with a scary team.

 

[nbrans]

I'm sticking with my Bibby, Reef, Kevin, #1 pick then attempted switches of Corliss/Vitaly for Jaric/Griffin approach. Figure if the switches were accepted, you just might be able to get by with Garcia/Jaric as your PGs, because between Ron/KG/Brad you would have the most creative frontcourt in basketball, and the PG would just be watching and spotting up anyway.

In any case, all speculation. But if we did puruse KG we are one fo the few teams that have the materials to put together a competitive package and still be left with a scary team.

Well, I don't think Garcia is really a viable point guard full time, I just don't think he can really chase point guards all season and also be able to get the ball up the floor. I'd try and get Minnesota to take Kenny instead of SAR if the Kings take on Hudson. Then I'd try and ship SAR to Charlotte for Brevin Knight (veteran for veteran, Charlotte has Felton and need size, Kings need a point guard).

So this:

Kings send Bibby, Martin, Thomas, Corliss, Vitaly, #1 to Minnesota
Minnesota sends Garnett, Griffin, Hudson, Jaric to Kings

Then this:
Kings send SAR to Charlotte
Charlotte sends Knight to Kings

2006/2007 lineup:
PG: Knight/Hudson
SG: Garcia/Jaric
SF: Artest/Garcia
PF: KG/Griffin
C: Miller/Griffin

The Kings would just need to kidnap McHale's children to get him to accept that trade and we'd be good to go.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

ya we are never going to get kg and griffin...

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, understand the theory, and agree that Brevin's unselfish play would be nice, but while no overarching SAR fan am I, I still doubt I'd trade him away for Brevin Knight. PGs...are a bit overrated sometimes. Their importance depends on the system. A lot of very mediocre guys have lined up there and won a title. Think I'd prefer A Brad/KG/SAR/Artest kickass frontcourt to bringing in Brevin. Could work, but like I said int he other post -- with Brad, Kevin, Ron on board having a PG dominate the ball might actually hurt us -- all those guys need the ball to create themselves. If you had a Cisco and Jaric, you could take the Phil Jackson Ron Harper approach to the PG spot -- long roleplayers to give you size and defense, and let your creative people at other spots do the work.​

 

[Bricklayer]

ya we are never going to get kg and griffin...

Griffin's out of favor. He might come much cheaper than you might think, especially in some huge deal that bothsides want to go down.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

If we land KG, Im sure it would take the unloading of jaric or hudson as wel... So griffin, who only has 1 yr left i belive, wont be going anyway becase he is young. he would start for them. But getting hudson kg and griffin would be like buying microsoft for 10 bucks

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Griffin's out of favor. He might come much cheaper than you might think, especially in some huge deal that bothsides want to go down.

ya if he really has fallen out of favor than i could see something happaning... like if we dont get KG, but can land griffin for like corlis's expiring contract. i would be down

 

[nbrans]

Well, understand the theory, and agree that Brevin's unselfish play would be nice, but while no overarching SAR fan am I, I still doubt I'd trade him away for Brevin Knight. PGs...are a bit overrated sometimes. Their importance depends on the system. A lot of very mediocre guys have lined up there and won a title. Think I'd prefer A Brad/KG/SAR/Artest kickass frontcourt to bringing in Brevin. Could work, but like I said int he other post -- with Brad, Kevin, Ron on board having a PG dominate the ball might actually hurt us -- all those guys need the ball to create themselves. If you had a Cisco and Jaric, you could take the Phil Jackson Ron Harper approach to the PG spot -- long roleplayers to give you size and defense, and let your creative people at other spots do the work.​

Definitely agree that point guards are generally overrated, particularly when you have guys like Artest and Brad to orchestrate things. A solid, get-the-ball-up-the-floor-and-don't-screw-up type of point guard would work just fine in this scenario... until the end of the game. No one in this lineup can get a good shot on their own (except for Artest... sometimes), and you'd need a solid creating point guard in order to get people looks. I don't think Garcia has the athleticism to handle the point guard spot (he'd get killed on the defensive end), but I actually think Martin could do it. Martin's ball handling and distribution aren't as good as Garcia, but he has the athleticism.

This isn't the right thread, but I'd use the same argument you make above to say that Bibby is really overvalued relative to his performance. He's gone back to chucker-Bibby and he's not a very good chucker (42%) -- if he's not going to create shots, why not get someone who's just a shooter (and make shots) and a nonflashy point guard who plays defense? Assuming the Kings can't Garnett, I'm still on the Bibby for Ray Allen bandwagon. Martin/Allen/Artest/Reef/Miller

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Definitely agree that point guards are generally overrated, particularly when you have guys like Artest and Brad to orchestrate things. A solid, get-the-ball-up-the-floor-and-don't-screw-up type of point guard would work just fine in this scenario... until the end of the game. No one in this lineup can get a good shot on their own (except for Artest... sometimes), and you'd need a solid creating point guard in order to get people looks. I don't think Garcia has the athleticism to handle the point guard spot (he'd get killed on the defensive end), but I actually think Martin could do it. Martin's ball handling and distribution aren't as good as Garcia, but he has the athleticism.


This isn't the right thread, but I'd use the same argument you make above to say that Bibby is really overvalued relative to his performance. He's gone back to chucker-Bibby and he's not a very good chucker (42%) -- if he's not going to create shots, why not get someone who's just a shooter (and make shots) and a nonflashy point guard who plays defense? Assuming the Kings can't Garnett, I'm still on the Bibby for Ray Allen bandwagon. Martin/Allen/Artest/Reef/Miller

Bibby is way overrated. I agree with you, we need a playmaking PG. I mean i like bibby, he is a great player, all star caliber. But he can hrt us alot. He needs to be a playmaker first, and the problem is (other than he just wants to shoot) is that he isnt athletic. I like Knight... but he is old. And where in the world did a Ray allen for Bibby trade talk come in?!! thats out rageous! THats almost like trading JAson Hart for Tracey magrady... (not that bibby is THAT bad... but Allen is THAT good.)

Seatle would never ever do it... and if they did, i would cry myself to sleep in happiness for months.

As for martin running the point? nah i dont liek it. He is a slasher shooter. I dont see him at hte PG. WE need to get a pure PG for this new mold team. A proven playmaker. I like Andre miller, Luke ridinour, TJ ford type players. Knight would work to i guess. but he is old. But he does fit the bill.

 

[King4Life]

Another team that could be in the running for Garnett is the Celtics since they got Pierce (an all star) who's been in trade rumors from time to time.

 

[Bricklayer]

Another team that could be in the running for Garnett is the Celtics since they got Pierce (an all star) who's been in trade rumors from time to time.

Sure, but why would they do that? Pierce<KG, but he's on that same plane. Just be lateral wheel spinning.

 

[Entity]

Sergi Monia is still considered a young talent as well. maybe we wouldn't have to give up Kmart or garcia. The fact that we are doing well since getting artest I feel they will try to stick with the same crew next season just maybe add a few missing links.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

Sergi Monia is still considered a young talent as well. maybe we wouldn't have to give up Kmart or garcia. The fact that we are doing well since getting artest I feel they will try to stick with the same crew next season just maybe add a few missing links.

I dont liek this idea beacause thats a year of a players life and contract... we need to grab a team if we can, right away, build the chemistry to win

 

[Packt]

Some of you guys are crazy.

If you could just stick a slashing SG with no PG instincts or skills, at the one spot and have it work, everybody would be doing it.

Brad Miller & Ron Artest= not too much to give up for KG. I would do it. Unfortunately, when you give up you your franchise player, you'll need to explain to your fanbase why you did it- and it better not be because you thought a player with Artest's history is what the team or city needs. We can thank the Vikings for that.

Of the players you'd still want around to run with KG, Bibby would be at the top of the list.

The idea that Bibby can't run an offense is getting ridiculous. His shots still come from our offense. His job is to bring the ball up and give it up to who he's supposed to. Sounds easy right, yet lots of PG's will struggle with that concept. Jason Hart had a nice year in Charlotte, but once he got here, what happened?

 

[Bricklayer]

TWO great players makes you an instant contender, whatever you put around them. You pair Artest and KG, and assuming of course that they get along, you have the best forward tandem in the ghame, bar none. You have two first team all defensive members. You have teh best rebounder in the league. The best stealer in the league. Artest is a godsend....as a second fiddle.

In any case, the plot thickens. KG being traded may be like the Artest/Peja stuff rumored for so long, and then it finally happens:

Wolves: Annoyed Garnett wants to see changes
As losses mount this season, Kevin Garnett's frustration with the Timberwolves organization has burst to the surface.
Kent Youngblood, Star Tribune

Kevin Garnett's Sunday salvo was followed by relative silence on Monday. After Sunday's near-collapse, the Timberwolves star forward lambasted team management, at least by his standards.

He said the Timberwolves "should at least give me that," that being the chance to play on a team with a chance to win a title. He stopped short of asking for a trade and expressed confidence that Wolves owner Glen Taylor would do the right thing. But what does that mean?

Wolves VP Kevin McHale, through a team spokesman, declined to comment. Taylor did not return phone messages. But Garnett's words, coupled with Monday's quiet, had the effect of rendering even more redundant the team's final 12 games, putting the spotlight directly on the months that will follow the April 15 finale.

 

[Packt]

I wouldn't want to give up either Bibby or Artest. But Artest and KG working together is more up in the air than a Bibby/KG combo. But you'd probably have to give up both guys plus Martin to get KG. Martin for youth, Artest is the x-factor, and Bibby as the safety net.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wouldn't want to give up either Bibby or Artest. But Artest and KG working together is more up in the air than a Bibby/KG combo. But you'd probably have to give up both guys plus Martin to get KG. Martin for youth, Artest is the x-factor, and Bibby as the safety net.

I sincerely doubt it would take that. KG will be supremely expensive. But I doubt there will be amny offers surrounding other "and" players at Artet's level (Ron Artest AND the Sacramento Kings) offered up. For the same reason we should not. Then it becomes largely lateral. The key to amking the KG thing work for any tema will be finding him an incredible running mate. And if a team already has one, that's the last peice they are going to want to give up. Us included. It will be expensive, but not THAT expensive.

Bibby's a zero time All-Star. In an ideal world I would like to have KG, Artest, AND Bibby. But if Mike's got to be burned to bring about the pairing of two of the league's best, then so be it. That second amazing player instantly makes you a contender. Not a champ. But a contender.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

I'm not sure who's going to dribble the ball in this lineup. I think that to get Garnett, we'd have to deal Bibby, and getting a ready-to-start PG in the draft is unlikely, as the Mateen Cleaves experiment demonstrated. Nobody on this team is cut out to be a starting PG, and we already have enough turnovers.

 

[Packt]

I sincerely doubt it would take that. KG will be supremely expensive. But I doubt there will be amny offers surrounding other "and" players at Artet's level (Ron Artest AND the Sacramento Kings) offered up. For the same reason we should not. Then it becomes largely lateral. The key to amking the KG thing work for any tema will be finding him an incredible running mate. And if a team already has one, that's the last peice they are going to want to give up. Us included. It will be expensive, but not THAT expensive.

Bibby's a zero time All-Star. In an ideal world I would like to have KG, Artest, AND Bibby. But if Mike's got to be burned to bring about the pairing of two of the league's best, then so be it. That second amazing player instantly makes you a contender. Not a champ. But a contender.

I see NY, Indiana, and the Clippers as teams who could offer very tempting deals. Indiana and the Clippers could swap their bigs, and NY has Rose's huge expiring contract, plus young guys. Are the Pacers and the Clippers that daring? O’Neal has popped up on the radar the past few months for some reason, and the Clippers might be interested simply for the star factor.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not sure who's going to dribble the ball in this lineup. I think that to get Garnett, we'd have to deal Bibby, and getting a ready-to-start PG in the draft is unlikely, as the Mateen Cleaves experiment demonstrated. Nobody on this team is cut out to be a starting PG, and we already have enough turnovers.

Again, think Ron Harper.

Cisco?

We might very well be able to get Jaric or Hudson for Corliss's expiring deal.

And of course, we still have the MLE.

You don't need a great PG with that pairing. Just a steady one, preferably who can shoot and play defense. The offense runs through the HOF caliber guys. The PG brings it up, gets out of the way. Hustles, defends, spots up.

Whihc is not to say I would rather have that than Bibby. Bibby's clutch ability alone makes him our 2nd most valuable player. But it is all you need.