Omri Casspi

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Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know.

But he had a career night tonight and if he ends up not being back next year, I don't want to think I should have made this thread and didn't because it was a meaningless game against the Timberwolves.

I don't care. He plays with heart and hustle and he puts effort out every time he steps on the court. He's a role player who knows he's a role player and...big shock...he actually WANTED to come back here.

Thanks, Omri!
 
I feel real good for Omri. Made the game more fun for me. And we we won one without
Cuz. Guys ought to feel pretty good about this. The challenge in basketball is to score more points than the other team and we did.
 
pshn80 said:
I feel real good for Omri. Made the game more fun for me. And we we won one without Cuz. Guys ought to feel pretty good about this. The challenge in basketball is to score more points than the other team and we did.
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Look, I think most of these threads have gotten pointless, and I'm glad Omri got his career high....

but do you really think the Kings should feel good about this win?
 
Never expected Omri to turn out this well. I was for the signing from the beginning, mainly because he had experience as a smallball PF playing with Dwight and could stretch the floor a bit, but didn't think he could contribute nearly as much as he has

He's really remade himself into a quality bench guy. He's not a hit every night with his production, which is fine, but he always bring his energy and hustle and competes.
 
The Jew of Justice.
The Hebrew Hammer.
The Insane Israelite..
NO.
IT'S OMRI CASSPI.
MY MOST FAVORITE KING...
..actually Derrick Williams is my favorite King but Omri is up there..
 
Omri Casspi is like a new man after George Karl took over the Kings. Karl seems to boost Casspi's confidence and it has payed off very nicely. Casspi seems to be in double figures when he starts. I nice feature for a player who occasionally starts when the starter is injured. Actually the starting lineup with DMC, Rudy and Casspi has been the best clicking front court for the Kings this season. Personally, I would be happy if the Kings signed him for a 2-3 year contract.
 
Nope, no questions.
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Kingston Jamaica said:
Omri Casspi is like a new man after George Karl took over the Kings. Karl seems to boost Casspi's confidence and it has payed off very nicely.
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Omri is on the "in" with the central players on this team (Demarcus and Rudy).
As I understand it, it's a well-known conclusion that the team mutinied under Corbin, and that's when Omri "was injured" and played bad.

It's not Karl boosting Omri's confidence.
It's Omri wanting to play well (and he didn't want to play well (or play at all) under Corbin).
 
IfAt1st said:
Omri is on the "in" with the central players on this team (Demarcus and Rudy).
As I understand it, it's a well-known conclusion that the team mutinied under Corbin, and that's when Omri "was injured" and played bad.

It's not Karl boosting Omri's confidence.
It's Omri wanting to play well (and he didn't want to play well (or play at all) under Corbin).
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I think you're partly wrong there...

I believe you'll find Casspi's unannounced injury/"injury" started under Malone, before the firing. It wasn't a part of any anti-Corbin mutiny nor a counteract to the firing, unless Casspi had known about the FO plans in advance.

You're right that there WAS something fishy about that time, that concerned Casspi, but to this day I can't figure it out.
As I recall, Omri started the season very strong, but then there was a weird stretch in which Malone left him on the bench whole games, when we could REALLY use his help, and we were all speculating about what Omri has done to deserve Malone's doghouse...
Then, suddenly, the FO called that post-factum injury (though Casspi was dressed up), and then there was some real injury (or at least information about one - a knee contusion, I think).
 
jdbraver said:
Don't forget

PDA signed him. I don't see credit given when it's due for PDA just blame. It will be up to casspi if stays next year.
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To be fair, Petrie drafted him, Omri was a bit of an ass his first time through the system, he got traded with a pick for JJ Hickson because the Maloofs were too cheap to extend Dalembert (while no one has come right out and said it, I think this is the likely scenario considering the financial situation at the time), Omri languished under Byron Scott, figured out how to succeed in the NBA in Houston, then came back to Sacramento because he fell in love with the city (there aren't many role players in the NBA who attempt to buy a part of their home city's soccer franchise).

I suppose PDA deserves some credit for not outright refusing to sign Omri but Omri's benching and mysterious injury happened to magically coincide with the Weasel making comments about how awesome Derrick Williams was.

(Of course by most accounts Omri actually appears to have sustained an injury during that span)
 
Casspi has been a pleasant surprise this season for the Kings, I didn't think he amounted to much of anything but playing for a competent coach changes approach it seems. He is one of the players I wouldn't mind having back but if he didn't return I could understand because that means he got paid more elsewhere. Kings cannot fall into a trap here and pay him more than he is worth.
 
we need to max omri out this summer before some other team does! he just scored a career high on a team with the second worst record.
 
$3 mil a year is simply too much for Omri -
I don't mean it's too much for his production on the court this year (that'd be well worth it), but it's too much compared to other role-playing bench vets who have proven themselves on more than one team, in the playoffs.
$3 mil is more than vets like Kirk Hinrich make.

We have to stop making the Kings' perennial mistake - giving players contracts based on short-term inflated numbers our lack of talent (and lack of competitive games) gave them.
Let's call it the Marcus Thornton rule.

Omri shouldn't make more than $2 million/yr, after looking at various teams and vets' salaries.
He's worth that for 3 years, easy.
Any more than that, and other teams will get him, unfortunately. But we should have a big "hometown" pull for him, considering the players here and his career has been unsuccessful everywhere else he's been - I can't picture him ditching us for $250,000/yr difference or something like that, and I can't see him getting a long-term contract for >$3 mil/yr, but we'll see.....
 
IfAt1st said:
$3 mil a year is simply too much for Omri -
I don't mean it's too much for his production on the court this year (that'd be well worth it), but it's too much compared to other role-playing bench vets who have proven themselves on more than one team, in the playoffs.
$3 mil is more than vets like Kirk Hinrich make.
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You can't be serious.

Here's a partial list of players who signed free agent contracts just last year for at least $2.5M:
Jameer Nelson 1/$2.7M
Jason Smith 1/$3.3M
Mo Williams 1/$3.75M
Caron Butler 2/$9M
James Johnson 2/$5M
Brian Roberts 2/$5.5M
Mike Miller 2/$5.5M
Luke Ridnour 2/$5.5M
D.J. Augustin 2/$6M
Anthony Tolliver 2/$6M
Mario Chalmers 2/$8.3M
Trevor Booker 2/$10M
Chris Kaman 2/$10M
Marvin Williams 2/$14M
Devin Harris 3/$9M
Anthony Morrow 3/$10M
Mike Scott 3/$10M
Patty Mills 3/$12M
Kris Humphries 3/$13M
Jodie Meeks 3/$19M
Spencer Hawes 4/$23M

That's not even everybody who signed for that kind of money and is basically on a par with or worse than Omri (perceived production-wise). Just because Kirk Hinrich (who is 34 this year and on the downside of his career) signed for less doesn't mean that's the market for 27-year-old backups.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
You can't be serious.

Here's a partial list of players who signed free agent contracts just last year for at least $2.5M:
Jameer Nelson 1/$2.7M
Jason Smith 1/$3.3M
Mo Williams 1/$3.75M
Caron Butler 2/$9M
James Johnson 2/$5M
Brian Roberts 2/$5.5M
Mike Miller 2/$5.5M
Luke Ridnour 2/$5.5M
D.J. Augustin 2/$6M
Anthony Tolliver 2/$6M
Mario Chalmers 2/$8.3M
Trevor Booker 2/$10M
Chris Kaman 2/$10M
Marvin Williams 2/$14M
Devin Harris 3/$9M
Anthony Morrow 3/$10M
Mike Scott 3/$10M
Patty Mills 3/$12M
Kris Humphries 3/$13M
Jodie Meeks 3/$19M
Spencer Hawes 4/$23M

That's not even everybody who signed for that kind of money and is basically on a par with or worse than Omri (perceived production-wise). Just because Kirk Hinrich (who is 34 this year and on the downside of his career) signed for less doesn't mean that's the market for 27-year-old backups.
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Well the thing is until this season, and really after the hot start under Malone he had faded badly, so let's even say until this past month, almost all of the above guys would have been considered a class above Omri. Omri was just barely hanging on. I would pay what's necessary because this has become a true asset for us and I do think he's worth that money obviously if he's going to be the main Rudy backup next year and a rotation guy. He's exactly what you want -- enthusiastic to be here, with some chemistry with your star, scrappy. But if the rest of the league still hasn't caught on and is thinking of him as the guy who almost didn't get signed by any team to start the season, well, I'm not going to jump the gun on the money yet.

P.S. we could really use guys like Meeks or Morrow to come in here and just hit every single kickout that came their way from Cuz.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well the thing is until this season, and really after the hot start under Malone he had faded badly, so let's even say until this past month, almost all of the above guys would have been considered a class above Omri. Omri was just barely hanging on. I would pay what's necessary because this has become a true asset for us and I do think he's worth that money obviously if he's going to be the main Rudy backup next year and a rotation guy. He's exactly what you want -- enthusiastic to be here, with some chemistry with your star, scrappy. But if the rest of the league still hasn't caught on and is thinking of him as the guy who almost didn't get signed by any team to start the season, well, I'm not going to jump the gun on the money yet.
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I'm not an advocate of bidding against oneself by any means. Casspi last year was on the reclamation pile. This year he'll probably get a small chunk of change. We should obviously feel out the waters before throwing out a number, but I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if it ended up in the $3M range.
 
Looking at that list makes 2 to 3 year deal at no more than 3 per pretty reasonable. And omri is doing it on a bad team, so he won't have that winning shine of other role players.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'm not an advocate of bidding against oneself by any means. Casspi last year was on the reclamation pile. This year he'll probably get a small chunk of change. We should obviously feel out the waters before throwing out a number, but I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if it ended up in the $3M range.
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No, wouldn't bother me either.

In my world he returns, backs up Rudy in the rotation, and we can go ahead get a full sized PF and not even have to worry about searching out a designated stretch guy because both our main SFs already have the size to play up like that if needed.
 
Tetsujin said:
To be fair, Petrie drafted him, Omri was a bit of an ass his first time through the system, he got traded with a pick for JJ Hickson because the Maloofs were too cheap to extend Dalembert (while no one has come right out and said it, I think this is the likely scenario considering the financial situation at the time), Omri languished under Byron Scott, figured out how to succeed in the NBA in Houston, then came back to Sacramento because he fell in love with the city (there aren't many role players in the NBA who attempt to buy a part of their home city's soccer franchise).

I suppose PDA deserves some credit for not outright refusing to sign Omri but Omri's benching and mysterious injury happened to magically coincide with the Weasel making comments about how awesome Derrick Williams was.

(Of course by most accounts Omri actually appears to have sustained an injury during that span)
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credit for not outright refusing. A bit of a stretch. Some of u sure like revisionist history.
 
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Bricklayer said:
No, wouldn't bother me either.

In my world he returns, backs up Rudy in the rotation, and we can go ahead get a full sized PF and not even have to worry about searching out a designated stretch guy because both our main SFs already have the size to play up like that if needed.
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It depends on the draft and other free agents in the mix. He wouldn't be my top priority. He played very well recently tho.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
You can't be serious.

Here's a partial list of players who signed free agent contracts just last year for at least $2.5M:
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Completely serious.

I can go make a list of players who are perceived as more solid, and reliable, and proven players than Omri who make less than $3 million. Hell, Matt Barnes has seldom gotten much more than $3 million a year, and he's proven his productivity and reliability with tons of playoff teams and started most of the last 6 years.

Does that make either of us right?

We'll see.
 
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