Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[LPKingsFan]

I think the MLE may be the way to go to solve our backup point guard woes. Guys like Jason Terry, Mike James, Speedy Claaxton and of course Bobby J are all going to be FAs this summer. Looks to me like a point guard market. Not like we can get a difference-making C/PF with the MLE anyway.

 

[bozzwell]

On the theory that Bonzi might be moved:

Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
5.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 20.6 minutes
Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
9.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.8 apg in 32.0 minutes

Noooooooooooo!!!

Et tu Bricky?

 

[Bricklayer]

Noooooooooooo!!!

Et tu Bricky?

???

 

[bozzwell]

???

I remember seeing "Let's get Marko jaric" posts before, but not from you, and even though I suspect that you are just throwing him in here with Griffin, I just don't want that guy anywhere near Sacramento.

My list of grievances with "MJ" is too long for this forum, but let's just say that he is too injury prone and in Minny behind such luminaries like Hudson and Banks. Yeesh.

 

[SLAB]

Hmm...This is to farfetched, I think...But Ill post it anyways.

Kings Get...

Tyson Chandler... 5.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg
Ben Gordon... 16.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.8 apg
Eric Piatkowski... 2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.6 apg

Bulls Get...

Shareef Abdur-Rahim... 14.2 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
Bonzi Wells... 14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg
2006 First Round Pick

Change in Team Outlook... -5.0 ppg, -1.7 rpg, -1.2 apg

Lineup....

PG: Bibby/Gordon/Hart/Price
SG: Martin/Gordon/Cisco/Polish Rifle
SF: Artest/Cisco
PF: Chandler/Thomas/Corliss
C: Miller/Skinner

The Kings do this because of the potential...Both Chandler and Gordon can grow as players...But as of now, it just helps us turn into an even more hard-nosed team (talking only about Chandler.) In Gordon we get the second coming of Bobby Jackson...He'd be our super sparkplug...Have to give up the pick because of the potential of the two players.

PG: Hinrich/Duhon
SG: Wells/Pargo
SF: Deng/Nocioni
PF: SAR/Songaila/Harrington
C: Sweetney/

The Bulls do it because they want to try to win something now...They need offense, and now they have it consistantly coming from the PF/SG spots...This also enables them to move Duhon to the bench, so they will have a VERY good PG tandem. The Bulls have an insane amount of cap room this off-season, so re-signing Bonzi shouldn't be a problem...This does absolutly nothing to help their size, though...

 

[Kings113]

Brick, I'm digging that Griffin/Jaric trade. Ditto to the above one.

BTW, Duhon's been moved to the bench since January.

 

[Bricklayer]

I remember seeing "Let's get Marko jaric" posts before, but not from you, and even though I suspect that you are just throwing him in here with Griffin, I just don't want that guy anywhere near Sacramento.

My list of grievances with "MJ" is too long for this forum, but let's just say that he is too injury prone and in Minny behind such luminaries like Hudson and Banks. Yeesh.

No actually I picked him on purpose over Hudson. But that's not much of an endorsement.

Suffice it to say that after this summer I have some questions about his attitude and his play this year seems to prove Sam Cassel right -- he really wasn't in Sam's league and is not a true starting quality PG. On the other hand, he's long, huge for a PG and can play some OG, can play the passing lanes and as a bencher has the advantage of being versatile. So not jumping up and down about him, but his size, versatility, and relatively unselfish/non-shooting game all seemed like good fits behind Bibby.

In the past when I would say "hmm...that's an interesting idea" to ideas about bringing in Jaric (as a Doug replacement at one point as I recall) I was mostly just being polite and humoring what were normally Serbian posters who just wanted him here because he was a countryman. Or at least I assumed that was the reason. In any case, I would listen, but was not sold. Now though...well, this team has a bunch of holes, two of which are backup PG and a shotblocker up front. So...

Frankly I'd rather keep Bonzi but if he's going, it at least brings back the right type of players.

 

[Bricklayer]

Bulls Get...

2006 First Round Pick

Will you guys PLEASE stop giving away our damn 2006 First Rounder. Its the only time we're likely to be in the lottery in 8 years. For once it has value, and if we're lucky, megavalue. Make it a 2007 or 2008 or something where the players we traded for could assure we wouldn't be int he lottery.

 

[SLAB]

Will you guys PLEASE stop giving away our damn 2006 First Rounder. Its the only time we're likely to be in the lottery in 8 years. For once it has value, and if we're lucky, megavalue. Make it a 2007 or 2008 or something where the players we traded for could assure we wouldn't be int he lottery.

Well, the 2006 Draft is weak (As far as I know...Im just going on what other people say, as any form of basketball other than NBA is unwatchable to me).

Or I'll change my trade to this.

2006 lottery protected pick, if protected, 2007 pick unprotected.

Now we're all happy!

 

[Kings113]

I think the MLE may be the way to go to solve our backup point guard woes. Guys like Jason Terry, Mike James, Speedy Claaxton and of course Bobby J are all going to be FAs this summer. Looks to me like a point guard market. Not like we can get a difference-making C/PF with the MLE anyway.

I LOVE Mike James. Claxton's good also.

Probably not on the C/PF, but regardless, there a bunch of solid/good bigs who'll be out there. Ultimately, I'd rather use it on a back-up PG like James/Claxton. James is a great combo guard too.

 

[Bricklayer]

I LOVE Mike James. Claxton's good also.

Probably not on the C/PF, but regardless, there a bunch of solid/good bigs who'll be out there. Ultimately, I'd rather use it on a back-up PG like James/Claxton. James is a great combo guard too.

Agree with that -- think Mike James could be a great FA pickup in the offseason if we don't address that positiuon via trade. Some of that probably depends on what happens with Bonzi/Martin/Cisco though too. Adding James in on top of all of those guys + Bibby makes for a very cluttered backup where somebody capable is really getting squeezed.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I assume the plan should be--barring further trade this year--try Cisco at PG in summer league. Then go from there with the free agent market. Of course the Bonzi decision must factor in sooner or later as well.

 

[WalMatt23]

Well, the 2006 Draft is weak (As far as I know...Im just going on what other people say, as any form of basketball other than NBA is unwatchable to me).

Or I'll change my trade to this.

2006 lottery protected pick, if protected, 2007 pick unprotected.

Now we're all happy!

Let me preface this by saying that I realize this is all academic because none of us have any say in any trade, but heres my reasoning anyway:

I agree with you that the 2006 draft is going to be weak because this is the "gap" year, however, I disagree with you about giving away our 2007 first rounder. Because of the new CBA, all the top high school seniors of 2006 who would have made the leap to the NBA this year (and been top picks) have to wait until 2007 to be drafted- most notably Greg Oden. Therefore I would much rather give away a 2006 lottery pick than a 2007 lottery pick- or any pick in 2007. I guarantee next year you see some team take a dive a la San Antonio in '97 (Duncan) to get the top pick.

I don't put much stock in this draft. Of course there is value to be had, but I don't see the 2006 lottery being nearly as strong as the 2007 lottery. I think most of the value will be found in the middle to late rounds with a guy like JJ Reddick rather than Adam Morrison, who a lot of people put 3rd overall. I'll make my dialogue short on Morrison: hes going to go very high in the draft, yet his college team takes him out in the clutch for defensive reasons. Does a lights out shooter who can't play D sound familiar? Ya, this time with a Ron Jeremy mustache instead of the 5 o'clock shadow. No thanks! I would rather put a package together that includes our 2006 first rounder if it means that we can get back a player who can help us now rather than depend on getting someone with the 10 - 15 pick.

Sidenote: Oden is a stud... all the so-called draft experts have been talking about him since Lebron was drafted, and he is just now a senior. He's pretty much a 7 ft man-child. Greg Oden was a big reason why I made up the trade scenario w/ the bulls where we could get the right to swap first rounders with the Knicks in 2007.

 

[bozzwell]

No actually I picked him on purpose over Hudson. But that's not much of an endorsement.

Suffice it to say that after this summer I have some questions about his attitude and his play this year seems to prove Sam Cassel right -- he really wasn't in Sam's league and is not a true starting quality PG. On the other hand, he's long, huge for a PG and can play some OG, can play the passing lanes and as a bencher has the advantage of being versatile. So not jumping up and down about him, but his size, versatility, and relatively unselfish/non-shooting game all seemed like good fits behind Bibby.

In the past when I would say "hmm...that's an interesting idea" to ideas about bringing in Jaric (as a Doug replacement at one point as I recall) I was mostly just being polite and humoring what were normally Serbian posters who just wanted him here because he was a countryman. Or at least I assumed that was the reason. In any case, I would listen, but was not sold. Now though...well, this team has a bunch of holes, two of which are backup PG and a shotblocker up front. So...

Frankly I'd rather keep Bonzi but if he's going, it at least brings back the right type of players.

Thanks for the clarification.

If we have to trade-or-lose Bonzi then I would trade him for picks or kids. Jaric is just making too much money for what he could bring to the table if he wasn't such a pain in the you know what. And his size is actually a concern, considering that he has a history of foot injuries. With our luck, he'd be picking up his check in Sacto to model his vast collection of Italian gear on the sideline.

I still believe that we cannot/will not make another major deal before 23rd. I think that many fans on this forum are getting carried away with possible trades since Pedja-for-Artest looks like it is going to propel us into a new era. Honestly, there are no more players out there who fit our needs as well as Artest did, nor are they available if they are anywhere near as good as Artest is. Besides, we're fresh out of Pedja so I don't know that we rate very high on speed-dials of other GM's.

So, I am going to stick with my story/proposal: Darko is the only guy out there that could plausibly help reduce our main deficiency (front court D). As each they passes and we get closer to the deadline, his price may become something we want to pay (i.e. not a high lottery pick). That is ofcourse if rumours that Detroit would trade him are true.

Not to mention that if Darko "clicks" some place after trade, he is probably going to be better then other similar "steal" - DeSagana Diop.

 

[Kings113]

I don't see us drafting Adam Morrison for a few reasons.

 

[Bricklayer]

I still believe that we cannot/will not make another major deal before 23rd.

Will not is possible. I think the Maloofs had to step in with the override on Artest which still leaves open the possibility that Geoff has in fact died and been replaced with a placeholder mannequin.

However those same Maloofs made some sort of promise to Ron that they were going to get more players and make a run at things this year, the Geoff mannequin itself hinted that more trades might be coming in one of its post-Artest press conferences, Bonzi is still a free agent with the ability to just walk away and leave us for nothing if he is not dealt with, and we are still a badly unbalanced team with all kinds of duplicative players and salary wasting away on the bench.

Cannot is doubtful. You can almost always do something if you're willing to give something up in return. Cannot is actually a subset of will not. If we cannot, its because we will not part with the assets necessary to make it happen.

 

[SacTownKid]

What is everyones obsession with Etan THomas? What has this guy ever done?

G GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT STL BLK TO PF AST PTS
Season 41 0 14.9 71-141 .504 0-0 .000 51-81 .630 1.2 2.4 3.7 .27 .78 .63 1.78 0.2 4.7
Career 252 25 18.3 598-1197 .500 0-0 .000 419-688 .609 1.8 3.3 5.0 .35 1.05 .98 2.25 0.4 6.4


Do these look like the numbers of a game changing player? And I have never been all that impressed with his D. BTW if he is 6-10 the so is Kenny Thomas!

Most "game changers" true contributions never show up in the stats. Especially when you're talking about a tough as nails PF/C.

 

[Kings113]

Agreed with Brick. Not only what he said, but what Mark Stevens (Artest's agent) also talked about with Dana Jacobsen on Cold Pizza the thurs or friday the week of the trade for a couple minutes during a sit-down interview. He said there was an agreement with Ron coming to Sac that the Kings would still make an effort to make moves and get better. It was like that.

If not, then they couldn't get anything they wanted.

No GM/owner is just going to stay pat, who knows what could come along.

 

[bozzwell]

Will not is possible. I think the Maloofs had to step in with the override on Artest which still leaves open the possibility that Geoff has in fact died and been replaced with a placeholder mannequin.

However those same Maloofs made some sort of promise to Ron that they were going to get more players and make a run at things this year, the Geoff mannequin itself hinted that more trades might be coming in one of its post-Artest press conferences, Bonzi is still a free agent with the ability to just walk away and leave us for nothing if he is not dealt with, and we are still a badly unbalanced team with all kinds of duplicative players and salary wasting away on the bench.

Cannot is doubtful. You can almost always do something if you're willing to give something up in return. Cannot is actually a subset of will not. If we cannot, its because we will not part with the assets necessary to make it happen.

Interesting theory. While I can see how it could be true, and I even tend to agree with it to a large extent, I simply don;'t believe we're in position to make any major moves. Any trade bait that we have, is what we want to keep and complemet with incoming players. Our players right now fall in three categories: keepers (Ron, Mike, kids), untradeables (Phily Webber Flexibles) and cannot-bring-back-equal-value-guys (SAR, Brad).

It was easy for Maloofs to go Cuban on GP (if that is in fact what happened) with Pedja-for-Ron trade since it is such a brain-dead deal (as in you're brain dead if you don't do it), but I can't see them coming up with an original deal and means to make it. Let's not forget, Indy HAD to trade Ron and they wanted Pedja even though he dropped a stink bomb last two years, so we can't give Maloofs any credit even if they were instrumental to making this deal happening in the end.

Back to my point, we need to do some hard work and unearth some talent in trade and/or draft 'cause we ain't getting a sure thing with what we have to offer.

Besides, Ron is positively impressive with his handling of kids. That passing up open three in the 1st quarter of Memphis game in order to get Kevin an open shot was not an accident. That is The Nut doing his thing and being Crazy Like A Fox, not just Crazy.

 

[funkykingston]

Interesting theory. While I can see how it could be true, and I even tend to agree with it to a large extent, I simply don;'t believe we're in position to make any major moves. Any trade bait that we have, is what we want to keep and complemet with incoming players. Our players right now fall in three categories: keepers (Ron, Mike, kids), untradeables (Phily Webber Flexibles) and cannot-bring-back-equal-value-guys (SAR, Brad).

What category does Bonzi fit in? Because right now, he's the Kings best trade asset. He's a talented SG in his prime with an ending contract. If he could be shipped out for the frontcourt defense the Kings need, I'd certainly listen to those offers.

Kevin Martin has made a believer out of me. But it would have to be a real step forward to part with Wells. I've really come to like what the guy brings to the court.

 

[nbrans]

Here's another Bonzi idea. Seattle is struggling bigtime, and they don't really have any flexibility to do much in the near future. Ray Allen is 30 and doesn't have time to wait around to watch the youngsters develop. Plus they have financial troubles. If they want to cut salary and rebuild, this is a pretty good deal:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.1 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
4.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.2 minutes
Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes
Incoming
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.4 apg in 39.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, -8.5 rpg, and -1.7 apg.

Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.4 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.1 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
4.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.2 minutes
Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, +8.5 rpg, and +1.7 apg.

New Kings:
PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Allen, Martin
SF: Artest, Martin
PF: SAR, KT
C: Miller, Skinner

One of the most underrated aspects of Ray Allen is that he plays very good defense, and this lineup would be pretty awesome on both ends of the floor. In the offseason the Kings can go and sign an energetic 4/5 rebounder/shotblocker with the MLE, or perhaps get one by trading KT or SAR. Mario Kasun, Mbenga, Nazr Mohammad, Francisco Eslon, Melvin Ely, etc. etc. are all available -- it's a good offseason to get a young 4/5 on the cheap -- a Pollard type.

The drawbacks of this trade are losing Garcia and the fact that Ray Allen is 30 and signed to a huge deal. But the thing about Allen vs. Bonzi is that Allen can contribute even if he loses a step. You just stick him on the perimeter and no one is going to want to leave him open. I think he'll continue to justify his deal -- plus he's having a career season. I really think the infusion of Ray Allen would make the Kings extremely scary.

P.S. I should add that this trade is not very realistic at all, it's more of a "wouldn't it be awesome if..." kind of thing. If Seattle really wanted to trade Allen in order to rebuild they could either trade him to Chicago for Tim Thomas and youngsters or to New York for Penny Hardaway and youngsters. But STILL. It would be awesome for the Kings.

 

[AleksandarN]

Here's another Bonzi idea. Seattle is struggling bigtime, and they don't really have any flexibility to do much in the near future. Ray Allen is 30 and doesn't have time to wait around to watch the youngsters develop. Plus they have financial troubles. If they want to cut salary and rebuild, this is a pretty good deal:

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.1 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
4.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.2 minutes
Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes
Incoming
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.4 apg in 39.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, -8.5 rpg, and -1.7 apg.

Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.4 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.1 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
4.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.2 minutes
Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: 0.0 ppg, +8.5 rpg, and +1.7 apg.

New Kings:
PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Allen, Martin
SF: Artest, Martin
PF: SAR, KT
C: Miller, Skinner

One of the most underrated aspects of Ray Allen is that he plays very good defense, and this lineup would be pretty awesome on both ends of the floor. In the off-season the Kings can go and sign an energetic 4/5 rebounder/shotblocker with the MLE, or perhaps get one by trading KT or SAR. Mario Kasun, Mbenga, Nazr Mohammad, Francisco Eslon, Melvin Ely, etc. etc. are all available -- it's a good offseason to get a young 4/5 on the cheap -- a Pollard type.

The drawbacks of this trade are losing Garcia and the fact that Ray Allen is 30 and signed to a huge deal. But the thing about Allen vs. Bonzi is that Allen can contribute even if he loses a step. You just stick him on the perimeter and no one is going to want to leave him open. I think he'll continue to justify his deal -- plus he's having a career season. I really think the infusion of Ray Allen would make the Kings extremely scary.

P.S. I should add that this trade is not very realistic at all, it's more of a "wouldn't it be awesome if..." kind of thing. If Seattle really wanted to trade Allen in order to rebuild they could either trade him to Chicago for Tim Thomas and youngsters or to New York for Penny Hardaway and youngsters. But STILL. It would be awesome for the Kings.

In all honesty we did not need more offense to take away shots from our other players. We badly front court defense not another SG. The reason why alot of us are willing to trade Bonzi so we can free up time Martin and work on our weakness. In trading for Allen we do neither. We must address our front court and the best chance to do this is trading Bonzi.

 

[Bricklayer]

In all honesty we did not need more offense to take away shots from our other players. We badly front court defense not another SG. The reason why alot of us are willing to trade Bonzi so we can free up time Martin and work on our weakness. In trading for Allen we do neither. We must address our front court and the best chance to do this is trading Bonzi.

We'll see.

Having him back might make us extremely formidable at the 1-3 spots, so it has to be the right deal.

Figure the keepers in rough order are:

Artest
Miller
Bibby
Martin
Garcia
Bonzi
SAR
Thomas
the rest

And Bonzi could even be up above the kids depending on how you approach it. In any case, Bonzi, Reef, the Philly three etc. are all assets that can be used. In fact yoou would probably RATHER center a deal aroudn either SAR or KT because otherwise you are simply going to have too many frontcourt players and unhappy players with large salaries pinned to the bench. Be great to do something with those oh-so-flexible Philly three, but if they're staying, the next deal should really involve Reef rather than Bonzi unless you fancy having a PF ahead of Reef, who is ahead of KT who is ahead of Skiinner/Corliss and a team overflowing with unhappy PFs killing our cap. There is a path for Bonzi, Ron, Kevin, Garcia, Bibby to all coexist and give us firepower. There is none for another PF to be added in ahead of Reef, KT, Skinner, Corliss etc.

 

[bozzwell]

What category does Bonzi fit in? Because right now, he's the Kings best trade asset. He's a talented SG in his prime with an ending contract. If he could be shipped out for the frontcourt defense the Kings need, I'd certainly listen to those offers.

Kevin Martin has made a believer out of me. But it would have to be a real step forward to part with Wells. I've really come to like what the guy brings to the court.

Keeper if he gets healthy and goes back to pre-injury form. We can always trade him later if Martin continues on his current path. I just don't see a strong market for Bonzi right now, because of his groin. It is not a debilitating injury, but it is nagging injury that could limit him for weeks. He has value as an expiring contract regardless of form or fitness, but I am not sure that even then we can get equal value in return.

 

[AleksandarN]

We'll see.

Having him back might make us extremely formidable at the 1-3 spots, so it has to be the right deal.

Figure the keepers in rough order are:

Artest
Miller
Bibby
Martin
Garcia
Bonzi
SAR
Thomas
the rest

And Bonzi could even be up above the kids depending on how you approach it. In any case, Bonzi, Reef, the Philly three etc. are all assets that can be used. In fact yoou would probably RATHER center a deal aroudn either SAR or KT because otherwise you are simply going to have too many frontcourt players and unhappy players with large salaries pinned to the bench. Be great to do something with those oh-so-flexible Philly three, but if they're staying, the next deal should really involve Reef rather than Bonzi unless you fancy having a PF ahead of Reef, who is ahead of KT who is ahead of Skiinner/Corliss and a team overflowing with unhappy PFs killing our cap. There is a path for Bonzi, Ron, Kevin, Garcia, Bibby to all coexist and give us firepower. There is none for another PF to be added in ahead of Reef, KT, Skinner, Corliss etc.

The only thing wrong with not trading Bonzi is we end up "Bleeding talent" losing him for nothing in the off-season. Bonzi is most desirable trading asset. I think moving SAR and KT for a backup point guard is an option to look at; only if we end up trading Bonzi for a big man to replace SAR or KT.

 

[Bricklayer]

The only thing wrong with not trading Bonzi is we end up "Bleeding talent" losing him for nothing in the off-season. Bonzi is most desirable trading asset. I think moving SAR and KT for a backup point guard is an option to look at; only if we end up trading Bonzi for a big man to replace SAR or KT.

No, we obviously cannot lose him for nothing. Doing that in back to back summers would be blatant incompetence. Something must be done about the situation, but trading Bonzi for a big may not be it, unless he is paired with one or more of our PFs to bring back a real stud.

 

[AleksandarN]

No, we obviously cannot lose him for nothing. Doing that in back to back summers would be blatant incompetence. Something must be done about the situation, but trading Bonzi for a big may not be it, unless he is paired with one or more of our PFs to bring back a real stud.

Ok how about this trade then?

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.3 minutes

Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes

Incoming

Number 1 pick this year

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes

Change in team outlook: +6.9 ppg, +6.0 rpg, and -0.6 apg.



Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes

Incoming

Number 1 pick this year

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.3 minutes

Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes

With this trade we solve our backup PG position and get a young stud PF for the future. We might be giving a little too much because of the draft pick but we have to give up alot to get alot back.

 

[Troy]

No, we obviously cannot lose him for nothing. Doing that in back to back summers would be blatant incompetence. Something must be done about the situation, but trading Bonzi for a big may not be it, unless he is paired with one or more of our PFs to bring back a real stud.

Yeah, that would suck if we lose another PG for nothing. It sucks already that we lost Cat after trading Christie away. Then we have to trade our awesome 6th man BJ away for Bonzi. Cannot we keep Bonzi already? I know KMart has been playing awesome though.

I'd be for trading Bonzi and KT, Corliss, throw in Hart for some big burly guy that gobbles up rebounds and swats away shots.

 

[bozzwell]

Ok how about this trade then?

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.3 minutes

Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes

Incoming

Number 1 pick this year

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutes

Change in team outlook: +6.9 ppg, +6.0 rpg, and -0.6 apg.



Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Bonzi Wells
6-5 SG from Ball State
14.6 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 34.4 minutesIncoming

Number 1 pick this year

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 22.3 minutes

Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes

With this trade we solve our backup PG position and get a young stud PF for the future. We might be giving a little too much because of the draft pick but we have to give up alot to get alot back.

If Nene was healthy and we could "comfirm" his development this year, Iw ould be all over this trade. However, I think Denver has no need for Bonzi.

 

[AleksandarN]

If Nene was healthy and we could "comfirm" his development this year, Iw ould be all over this trade. However, I think Denver has no need for Bonzi.

Denver needs a SG badly and Bonzi might be an option for them. Look they were after Cat this offseason and Bonzi is 2x better then Cat.