Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

Kenny and Corliss to Utah for Carlos Boozer.

Why the Kings make the deal -- REBOUNDING. And hopefully defense. And offensive versatility.

Why the Jazz make the deal: Boozer has been a disappointment for them, and they'd get a solid power forward and some cap relief in Williamson, whose contract expires after the 2007 season, getting the Jazz way under the cap to make a run at some big name free agents.

I'm torn on this one.

Boozer pros: Can board with the best of them. Solid operating from the low post and high post. Showed he can play defense with Cleveland. Still only 24 years old.

Boozer cons: Terrible karma from stabbing Cleveland in the back. Not a great shotblocker/lane clogger. Was a somewhat large bust for Utah before he went down with his injury, as his rebounding was down and he forgot how to play defense. Keeps aggrivating his hamstring injury. Huge contract.

From a contractual standpoint it's a big risk. If Boozer is a bust for the Kings it would be exceedingly difficult to trade him given the size and length of his deal. At the same time, if he plays for the Kings like he did in Cleveland he could be a great addition.

For Kenny and Corliss? I think I'd do it if the Jazz were game.
 
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I think that deal woiuld just about spell the end of Brad in Kingsland, because there would be absolutely no shotblocking for our PFs and we'd be locked into them forever.

And frankly, Boozer can go **** himself. :D
 
is there some way we ould make a deal with Milwaukee for Jamaal Magloire i have read reports that they might b willinng to deal him

What do you guys think if we could get him?? and for what?
 
sactown_draftpick said:
is there some way we ould make a deal with Milwaukee for Jamaal Magloire i have read reports that they might b willinng to deal him

What do you guys think if we could get him?? and for what?

Unless Brad is on his way out for an athletic power forward I don't know how much sense Magloire makes -- Brad and Magloire would give the Kings two slow non-shotblocking centers. Brad is better on offense, Magloire is better on the glass, but I don't know if he really is the type of rebounding/interior presence the Kings need.
 
Except for a few guys on the bench, I really like the team we have right now. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive-minded players, and once they all get more familiar with eachother we might find out we have something pretty special.

If anything, I'd like to see Hart and Corliss go in order to get a better backup for Bibby.
 
sactown_draftpick said:
is there some way we ould make a deal with Milwaukee for Jamaal Magloire i have read reports that they might b willinng to deal him

What do you guys think if we could get him?? and for what?
The better fit from Mil. might be Gadzuric.
 
Mad Iron said:
Except for a few guys on the bench, I really like the team we have right now. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive-minded players, and once they all get more familiar with eachother we might find out we have something pretty special.

If anything, I'd like to see Hart and Corliss go in order to get a better backup for Bibby.

Word!
 
Mad Iron said:
Except for a few guys on the bench, I really like the team we have right now. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive-minded players, and once they all get more familiar with eachother we might find out we have something pretty special.

If anything, I'd like to see Hart and Corliss go in order to get a better backup for Bibby.

Yep. Except I think maybe another true "big" and let Martin/Garcia handle backup PG duties, like Christie did.
 
I like where the team is now, but they're still one interior defensive presence/rebounder away from being a serious team to be reckoned with.
 
I've just read on BSPN that most likely King to be traded by the deadline is Corliss and most likely Piston to be traded is Darko. Also, that Pistons would be looking for front line backup in exchange. Here is the link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insi..._chris&id=2316256&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

Now, forget for a moment that it came from BSPN and assume that there is some truth to it (certainly seems plausible from our side as Corliss is seldom used and his contract is not that hard to move anymore - 6.5 mil with one more year). Also, forget that I am a fan of Euro basketball and by extension of European players, let's just look at Darko for what he is: 7 footer with amazing athletic ability and some nice skills who is basically one of the the biggest draft flops in recent history.

Why would we do it? Because we're not giving up anything (I like Corliss, but not as a backup center, and RA is not using him much otherwise). Darko is back where he was before he was drafted - potenital is the word, development is yet to come. Probably even worse off since his confidence seems to be shattered by LB experience and his attitude must be questioned (moping around the court in garbage time seems to be his chief contribution to the NBA). Exactly the reason that he might be available and obtainable by the Kings. If he only ever develops into a middling player with better attitude his existing skills (passsing and court vision, jumper) are already very good and his size, speed and blocking ability make him the nearest thing to Tyson Chandler that we have chance of getting. He does seem to take some pride in his defense and rim protection game (actually he made and awesome display of it at Eurobasket 05) so he could potentially compliment Brad in the middle. I don't think that Darko's "dream" of becoming European KG will ever be realized but if he ever gets his head together, he could be a good/very good player for any team in the league.

Why would Detroit do it? They know Corliss and he would slot back into their team with no problems - low risk for a team that doesn't really need anything. They would have to be sour on Darko, which I can imagine. In fact, the only reason for Detroit not to move Darko is to keep pretending that drafting him 2nd was not one of the biggest blunders in recent NBA history. If we threw in 2 round pick or a lottery protected 1st, they might pull the trigger.

Most importantly, how does it help us? It doesn't right now. If this teams is to turn this year around and make playoffs it won't be because Corliss was kept or Darko was acquired. Darko would be an investment for the medium to long term future, maybe contributiing next year, but not a starter until at least year after that in the best case scenario.

Another positive (to me) is that it seems that Ron-Ron really relishes playing and working with kids. He does seem much more comfortable dealing with young players and there are reports that he even seeks them out to put them under his wing. I think that seeing Ron mentora 7'2'' freak of the nature is worth the risk on its own? ;)
 
From espn, part 1/2:

Who should have their bags packed just in case?

by Chris Sheridan, ESPN Insider

February is here, and the trade deadline is only three weeks away.

The Ron Artest trade allowed the flood gates to open a bit, and we've seen the seven-player Boston-Minnesota megadeal, the Nikoloz Tskitishvili mini-deal and the Hornets' showering of second-round picks to bring Aaron Williams and Steven Hunter to Oklahoma City.

There is no shortage of teams trying to balance their immediate needs with their long-term goals, but two franchises -- Chicago and Denver -- stand out for their foot-dragging.

We're past the midpoint of the season, and the Bulls haven't acquired any type of size that would allow them to compete in the postseason, nor have the Nuggets addressed their gaping hole at shooting guard.

Larry Brown hasn't shamed Isiah Thomas into making any of the moves he's been trying to broker over the phone, and Steve Francis has turned up his play in Orlando to such a degree that the Magic are rethinking plans to move him.

With one super-elite team in the East, Detroit, and two powerhouses in the West, San Antonio and Dallas, perhaps there's a subconscious sentiment running through the other 27 front offices that this season is a lost cause no matter what they do, so maybe it's better to put off any risky personnel moves until the summer. But that won't stop GMs and personnel directors from burning their cell phone minutes, and there are several role players and veterans with expiring contracts who stand a good chance of being dealt before the Feb. 23 deadline.

A team-by-team look:

EASTERN CONFERENCE

ATLANTA HAWKS
Status report: On pace to double last season's victory total, but still a case study in long-term NBA ineptitude.

Concerns: Having given away two first-rounders in the Joe Johnson deal, the Hawks want a No. 1 pick and a starter back in any trade for Al Harrington. Otherwise, they'll wait and see what their sign-and-trade options are when Harrington becomes a free agent.

Most likely to be traded: Tony Delk, who hasn't played an entire minute all season, has a moveable expiring contract of just under $3 million.

BOSTON CELTICS
Status report: There are some folks floating the theory that the acquisition of Wally Szczerbiak is a precursor to the departure of Paul Pierce, which Danny Ainge insists is not true.

Concerns: Trying to work a pair of 21-year-olds into the rotation at the power forward and center positions. Al Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins will test the patience of both the fans and the front office.

Most likely to be traded: Michael Olowokandi. The Celtics could move him straight up for another expiring contract. Under NBA trade rules, he cannot be packaged with another Celtics player.

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Status report: Emeka Okafor's slow recovery from an ankle injury and the team's current 13-game losing streak has turned this season into a lost cause, not that it was ever going to amount to anything anyway.

Concerns: The longer Brevin Knight stays in Charlotte, the more minutes he takes away from Raymond Felton. Okafor, Felton, Sean May, Gerald Wallace and Primoz Brezec appear to be the only keepers Charlotte has assembled through 1½ seasons.

Most likely to be traded: Knight could be moved to the Cavs, who are not sold on keeping Eric Snow as their No. 1 point guard.

CHICAGO BULLS
Status report: Have three weeks to decide whether to make a big trade now or proceed with plans to go $18 million under the salary cap, making them the No. 1 player in a weak free agent market and a facilitator for every three- and four-team trade imaginable.

Concerns: Also have to decide if this season of transition should include the acquisition of a center who can help them get back to the playoffs.

Most likely to be traded: Tim Thomas. Has an expiring $14 million contract, and his agent wants him moved to a place where he can reestablish some value.

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Status report: The impression they're giving is that they're a much better team than they were last season, but they have the same record as they had one year ago when they folded in the late stages of the season.

Concerns: Free agent signees Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall have not lived up to expectations, and Drew Gooden could leave as a free agent.

Most likely to be traded: Jones. The self-proclaimed world's best shooter bombed when he went into the starting lineup in place of Larry Hughes, and the fans in Cleveland don't like him. There's a market for a player who made 225 3-pointers last season, even if he's made only 79 this season. Gooden is also being shopped.

DETROIT PISTONS
Status report: The only big issue facing the franchise in the immediate future is Ben Wallace's free agency, but he's expected to stay as long as the Pistons make him the highest-paid player on the team.

Concerns: There aren't many when you're 38-6, but Joe Dumars would like to bring in one more frontcourt player to have as insurance behind the Wallaces and Tayshaun Prince.

Most likely to be traded: Darko Milicic. He's still an intriguing commodity to a few rebuilding teams, and the Pistons will never really have a use for him.

INDIANA PACERS
Status report: Finally put the Ron Artest Era behind them, and now must find a way to turn around a second straight miserable, yet salvageable, season.

Concerns: It'll be mid- to late-March by the time they get a chance to see Peja Stojakovic and Jermaine O'Neal on the court together, which shouldn't be too late to make a run at the No. 6 seed in the East.

Most likely to be traded: Scot Pollard. Has an expiring $6.3 million contract.

MIAMI HEAT
Status report: Pat Riley recently expressed some doubts about the wisdom of going past the trade deadline with Gerald Fitch as the third-string point guard behind Jason Williams and Gary Payton, but don't bet the farm on Riley trading for someone better. He almost never makes midseason trades.

Concerns: Health and chemistry are the biggest issues at play in South Beach, and the Heat have the rest of the regular season to work those things out.

Most likely to be traded: We'd have said Michael Doleac two months ago, but his agent says a trade is highly unlikely. If Riley could get an upgrade for Jason Kapono, he'd consider it.

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Status report: Went 7-10 in January, a step backward after a promising start to the season. Not fooling themselves into thinking they can knock off the Pistons, but setting their sights past the first round of the playoffs.

Concerns: Add the name of Bobby Simmons to the list of players whose production dropped significantly in their first season after signing a long-term contract, although he's shown signs of turning it around lately.

Most likely to be traded: Reece Gaines. The Bucks are happy with pretty much everyone else on the roster.

NEW JERSEY NETS
Status report: Still starting the banged up and unproductive Jason Collins at power forward, but also still sitting on a pair of No. 1 picks that Rod Thorn would gladly give away in return for an impact big man.

Concerns: A lack of offensive rebounding, the absence of a steady contributor off the bench.

Most likely to be traded: Lamond Murray. There are still a few GMs who believe Murray can provide some instant offense off the bench, which he has rarely done for the Nets. Could be packaged with Zoran Planinic and a No. 1 pick.

NEW YORK KNICKS
Status report: A complete and utter mess, with team president Isiah Thomas under fire, coach Larry Brown ripping his team as quitters, and a roster stocked with underperforming, overpaid players no other teams want.

Concerns: Thomas was certain he'd be able to use the expiring contracts of Antonio Davis and Penny Hardaway as trade chips, but there's doubt whether ownership will allow him to deal them for players with longer deals.

Most likely to be traded: Jamal Crawford. His out-of-control, turnover-prone style does not mesh with Brown's ideals, and Crawford can't or won't change.

ORLANDO MAGIC
Status report: All was supposed to be rosy between Steve Francis and the higher-ups in the organization following their clear-the-air meeting two weeks ago, but some teams believe the Magic will still try to move him before the deadline.

Concerns: The team is losing quite a bit of money, and there's still a difference of opinions within the organization on whether Francis is the right player to build Dwight Howard's team around.

Most likely to be traded: Kelvin Cato. In the final year of his contract, he's behind Mario Kasun on the depth chart and is almost certain to be moved to a playoff-caliber team seeking size.

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
Status report: Meandering through Year 10 of the Allen Iverson era, still wondering whether it's possible to put the pieces around him to win a title.

Concerns: Attendance at the Wachovia Center is an embarrassing fourth-worst in the league, and the partnership of Webber and Iverson still hasn't clicked one year after the blockbuster trade with Sacramento. General manager Billy King is seeking to trade for a player who will add defense and toughness.

Most likely to be traded: Kevin Ollie. There are teams that would be willing to take on Ollie's remaining two seasons ($3.2 and $3.4 million) to add a steady backup floor general with 38 games of playoff experience. This might be the rare year when King stands pat at the deadline, having moved Hunter to the Hornets on Wednesday.

TORONTO RAPTORS
Status report: Must decide soon whether to trade Mike James or risk losing him with nothing in return, a la Donyell Marshall, when he becomes a free agent this summer.

Concerns: Jalen Rose's $17 million salary for next season is the quintessential cap killer, and interim GM Wayne Embry will have to throw in more than a No. 1 pick to get someone to take Rose off his hands.

Most likely to be traded: Eric Williams. Of the three players acquired in the Vince Carter deal, he's the only one left. Embry is looking to accommodate his wish to be dealt.

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Status report: Have won eight of 12 since bottoming out, and coach Eddie Jordan has received a phone call of support from owner Abe Pollin. Ernie Grunfeld makes moves at the trade deadline more often than he doesn't, so expect to see at least a minor shakeup.

Concerns: None of the Wizards' three building blocks, Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler, is much of a defender, and there's very little low-post presence.

Most likely to be traded: Antonio Daniels was miscast here after he left Seattle as a free agent, and he could be packaged with a big man, Michael Ruffin or Etan Thomas, if the Wizards got back a player they felt was an upgrade.
 
Part 2/2

Who should have their bags packed just in case?


by Chris Sheridan, ESPN Insider

WESTERN CONFERENCE

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Status report: No team in the NBA is playing better right now, so there's no need to shake things up too much. The Mavericks were always a fixture in trade deadline deals over the past half-decade, but Mark Cuban has altered his ownership philosophy and is no longer willing to take on added payroll and luxury tax costs as he once was.

Concerns: There still might not be enough of a defensive presence in the low post to contain Tim Duncan in a playoff series, and Erick Dampier has lost his starting job to DeSagana Diop.

Most likely to be traded: Dampier is still owed $57 million over the next five seasons, and they'd move him to get out from under that contract. Good luck finding a taker, though.

DENVER NUGGETS
Status report: Still deeply flawed in the backcourt, just as they've been for two seasons, and had been using their backup point guard, Earl Watson, as the starting shooting guard until switching back to Greg Buckner on Wednesday night.

Concerns: There has been nothing special about the Nuggets after they began the season with such high hopes following their strong finish under George Karl. The players have been waiting for weeks for a trade to go down, and no one but Carmelo Anthony can rest easily until Feb. 23 passes.

Most likely to be traded: It's still Watson, though there's not as much interest in him as the Nuggets would have people believe.

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Status report: The relationship between Baron Davis and coach Mike Montgomery has moved to the front burner, and that situation needs to be resolved before Chris Mullin can do any tinkering to the roster.

Concerns: After all but making Ike Diogu an untouchable in their trade talks with the Pacers, the Warriors have moved him back to the bench while moving Adonal Foyle back into the starting five. Diogu has made only five field goals in his last eight games.

Most likely to be traded: The Warriors don't have much use for 34-year-old Calbert Cheaney, who missed 10 straight games with a thigh injury but was expected back Wednesday night. Could be packaged with Zarko Cabarkapa to acquire a mid-level salary player.

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Status report: Any other coach sitting 13 games under .500 with a roster expected to contend for the conference title would be a goner by now, but the Rockets have chosen to stick with Jeff Van Gundy. Injuries that have sidelined Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming for extended stretches have provided an excuse, but the fans are staying away from what has to be considered the most underachieving team in the conference.

Concerns: McGrady's back could give out at any minute, torpedoing a season already marked by significant injuries that have sidelined Rafer Alston, Bob Sura, Jon Barry and others. This team was built to win now, so patience is in short supply.

Most likely to be traded: Stromile Swift has been a disappointing free agent signing, and he didn't help his status by arriving late for shootaround Wednesday.

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Status report: The news was promising when Corey Maggette's foot cast came off, the Clips moving a step closer to getting his 20-point production back in the lineup before the Lakers creep too much closer in the standings.

Concerns: They've leveled off since coming out of the gate so strong, and they're still at least one player away from being a serious threat to escape the first round of the playoffs.

Most likely to be traded: Chris Wilcox, whose likeliest destination through a trade remains New Jersey.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Status report: Tried to stay in the mix for Ron Artest right up until the very end, and some believed agent Mark Stevens made his phone call to the Kings that temporarily killed the Artest trade as a last-ditch effort to keep the Lakers in the mix.

Concerns: Kobe Bryant is running the show there, not Phil Jackson, and the caliber of some of the players surrounding him in the starting lineup is not the stuff legitimate championship contenders are made of.

Most likely to be traded: Devean George, in the final year of his contract and contributing very little off the bench. He's got championship-round experience, however, a quality valued by a few elite teams.
 
One promising thing about Darko is that even in the short minutes he's received he blocks 5.33 shots per 48 minutes. He could be a really good defender if he got some time. He's all promise, very little risk.

At the same time, I just can't see the Pistons admitting they blew it.
 
Darko was just terrific in pre-season, and I really thought he'd get an increased role, but did not. I'd love to get Darko, especially without giving up one of our main guys. Detroit needs all the depth they can get (not much right now), and if it would be Corliss, he would obviously fit there and give them another option off the bench like in their champ-run.

If that deal doesn't happen, I still like Kelvin Cato or Eddie Griffin, and of course Mike James (though he may be wishful thinking now).
 
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Pistons are looking for frontcourt depth.

For swingmen they already have Evans/Delfino, plus Prince/Hamilton to play either spot.
 
AleksandarN said:
I think in order to get Darko we need to throw in our unprotected 1 and Bonzi to make it worth while for the Pistons.

At which point the Pistons can go jump in a lake.

Kid has to show something before you go trading off TWO major pieces to get him. One is questionable enough. But two? Doubt any team would do that. And certianly not us unless we are 100% sure he's going to be something special. Let's put it this way, just to justify trading Bonzi alone for him, he would realistically either have to turn out to be a starter or top reserve averaging manybe 12 and 8. And that's before we get around to the pick. And that's just to break even. To make it a GOOD deal, he needs to be 15 and 10 or better, with shotblocking etc.
 
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Kings113 said:
Pistons are looking for frontcourt depth.

For swingmen they already have Evans/Delfino, plus Prince/Hamilton to play either spot.

They alread have Dyess and Davis they need no front court help(as evident in not time for Darko to get in the game) what they need is someone to backup Prince.
 
Kings113 said:
Pistons are looking for frontcourt depth.

For swingmen they already have Evans/Delfino, plus Prince/Hamilton to play either spot.

I have no idea what the Pistons are lokking for,e xcept maybe an upgrade at 2/3 or 3/4. frontcourt is deep and set -- the Wallace brothers, McDyess, Dale Davis waiting around for Shaq etc.
 
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Bricklayer said:
At which point the Pistons can go jump in a lake.

Kid has to show something before you go trading off TWO major pieces to get him. Onew is questionable enough. But two? Doubt any team would do that. And certianly not us unless we are 100% sure he's going to be something special. Let's put it this way, just to justifyu trading Bonzi alone for him, he would realistically either have to turn outy to be a starter or top reserve averaging manybe 12 and 8. And that's before we get around to the pick. And that's just to break even. To make it a GOOD deal, he needs to be 15 and 10 or better, with shotblocking etc.

Hey I am just looking at what it would take to get Darko in Sac uniform. I do not see them trading Darko for anything less then a rental of Bonzi's caliber and a pick. They already rejected a Hawks deal that included Harrington. I am just seeing what it would take for Detroit to bite. Also trading Bonzi is not that bad considering the odds of him resigning with us is very slim plus(ATM) trading our pick might not that bad of a deal considering that a talented big like Darko will not be around when we get to pick(early teens maybe as high as 8). Looking at it more closely it is not so bad. Maybe a little pricey but the dividends and risks I think outweigh the price that is to be paid. That said if we could get Nene for Bonzi without the pick we take it and run and do not look back.
 
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AleksandarN said:
Hey I am just looking at what it would take to get Darko in Sac uniform. I do not see them trading Darko for anything less then a rental of Bonzi's caliber and a pick. They already rejected a Hawks deal that included Harrington. I am just seeing what it would take for Detroit to bite. Also trading Bonzi is not that bad considering the odds of him resigning with us is very slim plus(ATM) trading our pick might not that bad of a deal considering that a talented big like Darko will not be around when we get to pick(early teens maybe as high as 8). Looking at it more closely it is not so bad. Maybe a little pricey but the dividends and risks I think outweigh the price that is to be paid. That said if we could get Nene for Bonzi without the pick we take it and run and do not look back.

Where did this info come from? If anything we have the best odds of keeping our own FA.
 
SacTownKid said:
Where did this info come from? If anything we have the best odds of keeping our own FA.

If that was true he would have signed an extention already with us. The only two concusions I can think of is a) he does not want to resign with us b) the Maloofs(the real people running the show right now) do not want to resign him. Either way I see him walking in the summer.
 
AleksandarN said:
Hey I am just looking at what it would take to get Darko in Sac uniform. I do not see them trading Darko for anything less then a rental of Bonzi's caliber and a pick. They already rejected a Hawks deal that included Harrington. I am just seeing what it would take for Detroit to bite. Also trading Bonzi is not that bad considering the odds of him resigning with us is very slim plus(ATM) trading our pick might not that bad of a deal considering that a talented big like Darko will not be around when we get to pick(early teens maybe as high as 8). Looking at it more closely it is not so bad. Maybe a little pricey but the dividends and risks I think outweigh the price that is to be paid. That said if we could get Nene for Bonzi without the pick we take it and run and do not look back.

If the Pistons are waiting around for that kind of offer for Darko career average 2ppg Milciic, they are going to wait right through the end of his rookie contract. They blew their chance at that kind of deal a year or two ago. Now Darko is entering Skita like territory. Somebody may take a risk with him, but nobody is busting up major chunks of the team to get him. Let alone throwing in unprotected lottery pciks, which would be completely ridiculous.
 
AleksandarN said:
If that was true he would have signed an extention already with us. The only two concusions I can think of is a) he does not want to resign with us b) the Maloofs(the real people running the show right now) do not want to resign him. Either way I see him walking in the summer.

I don't think you can extend a contract like Bonzi's. I don't even think we have the option to do so. Only on rookie contracts have I seen that done.


Anyways, even if you could, which you can't, you can't extend a players contract past the October deadline. We would have had to extend him before the season.
 
SacTownKid said:
I don't think you can extend a contract like Bonzi's. I don't even think we have the option to do so. Only on rookie contracts have I seen that done.


Anyways, even if you could, which you can't, you can't extend a players contract past the October deadline. We would have had to extend him before the season.

Not an extension, but I'm not sure why we wouldn't be free to resign him to a new deal at any time.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not an extension, but I'm not sure why we wouldn't be free to resign him to a new deal at any time.

There has to be some kind of rule against it. I don't remember that being done, has it?
 
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