Ok Guys Sound The Horn !

sactown100

sactown100

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no pressure here but it pumps me up to see/hear/or think about how good Kevin Martin could be... weve been so focused on Bonzi Wells making moves and adding players that we have forgot that we got a soon to be star right here ready to explode ! ! ! who was the star when Wells went down... when we thought things couldn't get worse and they did... K-Mart ! ! !

he was a stud off and on but the best you could expect from someone so young and without lots of real playing time... non Kings fans are or have even take'n notice and theres a reason... i see a swagger setting in with K-Mart and its a look like he might shock even us with what he might be able to do this next year... he can shoot lights out... he might be faster than "the flash" (d-wade) he can bother fools on def. jump thru the roof and finsh the kind of plays only the greats can... that buzzer beater wasnt luck its a gift of his giving to him at birth... its what Webber and Peja are missing... Bibbys got it ... its called being a straight up winner and clutch... not lucky clutch...

im tired about hearing all this crying bout this and that... did the kings need a huge shot blocking center in 2002??? how about more def.??? NO IT CAME DOWN TO A LUCKY SHOT... but the point is that they were the best if not the 2nd best team in the nba and there def. was terrible... it was about the kings knowing what they were good at ... playing a "TEAM GAME" and smash pounding fools with our strengths...

THE GAME OF BASKETBALL IS PLAYED WITH

SHOOTING / PASSING / DEF. / AND HEART

the kings got maybe the best or top 3 best all around offenses

the kings are for sure top 2 or 3 best all around passing teams in nba...

the kings are defensively much improved and better at def. than weve ever seen... plus their still improving

and well
do they have the heart???

the heart issue left with Rick A. the players lost faith in his usage of the bench and being worn down to failure with too many min's.... they lost faith because of his lack of attention to def. and lack of intensity... they lost faith in the captain of the ship and the ship sunk....

HEART/// DO THE KINGS HAVE IT.... you think Musselman , Artest , Bibby , Martin , Miller , Sar , and company want to win??? YOUR DAM RIGHT THEY DO.... they needed a jolt and they got it now in Artest and Musselmen... winning starts with the coach down... Musselman will never let up in getting the most out of what hes got... AND YOU BET ARTEST WILL KEEP FOOLS HUSTLING AND ON THERE TOES....the only problems musselman ever had with players were the same Jordan had with teammates.... pushing and pushing to get the most out of the others...and never letting up on it... thats how you win... so ... THEY GOT HEART ! ! ! THATS 3 1/2 OF THE 4 KEYS TO THE GAME... NOT BAD...

OCT 12th .... the countdown begins ! ! !
 
The 2002 team had good defense and Webber, Divac, and Pollard all averaged over 1 block per game.

As for Kevin Martin? Yeah he's one of my favorite players, he's going to be REAL GOOD I think. He's athletic, quick, a good shooter, good defender, stronger now, smart, etc.
 
sorry but keon clark is the closest thing to a shot blocker from those years... and good def. ??? hmm Divac, Pollard really??? no not so much... christy was the best defender but it was avg. or a tad below avg. team def. at the time... they seriously just outscored people every game... avg. points a game was league leading i think... and so was avg. points against...
 
And we were better the next year. In fact FIRST.

Jeesh -- this is hardly ancient history we are talking about here. I can understand people not knowing the basics about the team in 1992, but 2002?


Edit -- as an aside we were 10th in the league in scoring last year, not 1, not 2, not 3. We finished 5th in assists, but that was a trait of the Adelman era, and it would not be a surprise to see that slide a bit under the new regime. We've got several good passers, a bunch of middling passers. Only 1 guy who is truly exceptional for his position (Brad), and even he is a pale imitation of the bigs he supplanted.
 
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Bricklayer said:
And we were better the next year. In fact FIRST.

Jeesh -- this is hardly ancient history we are talking about here. I can understand people not knowing the basics about the team in 1992, but 2002?


Edit -- as an aside we were 10th in the league in scoring last year, not 1, not 2, not 3. We finished 5th in assists, but that was a trait of the Adelman era, and it would not be a surprise to see that slide a bit under the new regime. We've got several good passers, a bunch of middling passers. Only 1 guy who is truly exceptional for his position (Brad), and even he is a pale imitation of the bigs he supplanted.
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Pssst: I think this is a rah-rah thread. Im not sure the intnetion was to discuss facts or even resaonable expectaions.
 
Well i knew it was coming when i saw the first post. It is going to happen no matter what. I bet some hope the kings fall on their asses this year just so they can say I told you so. ..|..
 
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Pssst: I think this is a rah-rah thread. Im not sure the intnetion was to discuss facts or even resaonable expectaions.
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I think a lot of things about this thread. I just choose not to damage the ears of any nearby children with those thoughts. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
And we were better the next year. In fact FIRST.

Jeesh -- this is hardly ancient history we are talking about here. I can understand people not knowing the basics about the team in 1992, but 2002?


Edit -- as an aside we were 10th in the league in scoring last year, not 1, not 2, not 3. We finished 5th in assists, but that was a trait of the Adelman era, and it would not be a surprise to see that slide a bit under the new regime. We've got several good passers, a bunch of middling passers. Only 1 guy who is truly exceptional for his position (Brad), and even he is a pale imitation of the bigs he supplanted.
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i think brad's just as good a passer as vlade
 
are you serious? vlades possibly the best passing center ever, save for when magic played center for an injured kareem. calling brad millers passing a poor mans imitation is a compliment to brad. brads a very good passer, but vlade had more court vision, and imagination.
 
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are you serious? vlades possibly the best passing center ever, save for when magic played center for an injured kareem. calling brad millers passing a poor mans imitation is a compliment to brad. brads a very good passer, but vlade had more court vision, and imagination.
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Also Sabas...and maybe Walton, although I was too young to see him in his prime.

Anyway...Brad's the best right now, but he's not an amazing all-time type guy, and really because of the limitations of his game, significantly depends on his coach to put him in a position to pass. His assists were down around 2 before he came to the Kings. You could see the ability, and hence why some of us wanted him, but he needs a structure and a setup to make an impact with his passing, and his former coaches ran more traditional systems. The Princeton was obviously perfect for him. We'll have to wait and see what Muss comes up with.
 
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Also Sabas...and maybe Walton, although I was too young to see him in his prime.

Anyway...Brad's the best right now, but he's not an amazing all-time type guy, and really because of the limitations of his game, significantly depends on his coach to put him in a position to pass. His assists were down around 2 before he came to the Kings. You could see the ability, and hence why some of us wanted him, but he needs a structure and a setup to make an impact with his passing, and his former coaches ran more traditional systems. The Princeton was obviously perfect for him. We'll have to wait and see what Muss comes up with.
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Of the three you mentioned I think that Sarbonis (probably misspelled) was the best passer. Valde would be second, but I'll tell you Walton is close. When Walton came into the league he was the best passing center anyone had ever seen. Too short of a carreer. Brad is probably the best now. Its a shame that Brad doesn't seem to have the fire in his belly that Artest and others have. I think he can be better than he has been in the past. I just think his passion is really fishing and hunting. Some people are born competitors and can't stand loseing. I just don't think thats Brad's nature. Rather have him than not though. Unless you offer me KG.:cool:
 
I really hope Keving explodes this year, become's nationally known in the NBA, and gets lots of time on ESPN highlight clips.
 
Bricklayer said:
And we were better the next year. In fact FIRST.

Jeesh -- this is hardly ancient history we are talking about here. I can understand people not knowing the basics about the team in 1992, but 2002?


Edit -- as an aside we were 10th in the league in scoring last year, not 1, not 2, not 3. We finished 5th in assists, but that was a trait of the Adelman era, and it would not be a surprise to see that slide a bit under the new regime. We've got several good passers, a bunch of middling passers. Only 1 guy who is truly exceptional for his position (Brad), and even he is a pale imitation of the bigs he supplanted.
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BRICKLAYER.....YOU CAN DEFEND those 2002 and 2003 stats all you want or even the offense stats from last year but agian i will say this... i respect those numbers... but im a real life guy and even though those numbers are not meaningless they dont tell the whole story... the 2002 team and everyteam minus with Wells and Artest at the end of last year has been a huge def. let down...

the NBA as a whole was weak in 2002... there were only two good teams... kings lakers... the east was terrible... to the point of the west conf. finals being the nba finals... so i dont care what your numbers say the kings were as soft as could be and weak at def.... i dont remember ever think'n "WOW THE KINGS ARE THE #1 DEF. TEAM IN THE NBA THEY REALLY LOCK DOWN TEAMS" in fact i think i remember think'n wow at least we can pour in points...

nba players of the time and past said the same thing... the coaches for other teams and the kings coaches said the same thing... all the media said the same thing... so i dont care what the numbers say.ANOTHER THING BRICK... why in the world would all of us kings fans be so happy with getting def. when we have had it all along??? minus a year or two according to your numbers... why would we all sound like we never had real def. before??? could it be its because we didnt??? your blocking numbers are a weak point... keon clark was the only real shot blocker from that time... yeah right Divac, Pollard as shot blockers...ha..thats good... brick i know that wasnt your point but you did support it in one way or another...

ok so again numbers... lets think here...just like you cant judge the kings offense last year without breaking it into.... before artest... and after artest.... because if you do it as a whole it doesnt tell the story of last year...

i think all around everyone on the kings can shoot lights out... minus a very few... and all around we have had an offense that enabled our team to be much above avg. (top 3) in passing... how many times have we said about a new player to the kings... they can actually pass pretty good??? maybe our players arent steve nash but we get the most out of it...by playing a team game... who knew artest could play point??? how about garcia???

numbers dont tell all of what a team does on the floor... maybe if you actually watched the games vs just drafting all the kings players in fantasy basketball you would get what im saying...
 
sactown100 said:
numbers dont tell all of what a team does on the floor... maybe if you actually watched the games vs just drafting all the kings players in fantasy basketball you would get what im saying...
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sactown100, you are totally out of line here. Don't for a minute think that Bricklayer does not watch the games. He has probably watched the games since before you were born. Do not think that you can bolster your position by attacking a member. The fantasy basketball comment is totally unnecessary.

Regardless what you believe, the 2002 Kings played some superior defense. Yes, we put up a lot of points, but we also held down our opponents. I watched the games, and that is what I saw.
 
Why the hell are we talking about the old kings when we are "sounding the horn for the new ones"
 
sactown100 said:
i dont remember ever think'n "WOW THE KINGS ARE THE #1 DEF. TEAM IN THE NBA THEY REALLY LOCK DOWN TEAMS" in fact i think i remember think'n wow at least we can pour in points...
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Uh, I do. I remember often just waiting for Christie to make his 1.5 to 2 steals a game while harassing the best guard on the other team. I remember Brad laying some lumber on folks his first year or two here. I remember Webber getting those big, sticky mitts on loose balls and making awesome outlet passes that led to some of those highlight reel plays.

I remember the defense.
 
OK 6TH ! ! ! ... brick here used this stat to shut down my point...

my new point is ...does the stat represent the whole year or maybe before artest or maybe after artest ...or how bout when wells was playing or when wells was out???... or how bout when wells was with artest and when he wasnt... who here can challenge this ... we were much better on offense when artest got here.... and then when he played with wells??? could we have been maybe somewhere in the top 10 or even 5 if they had more time together... my point is numbers DONT TELL ALL! ! ! we managed 10th best with the crap that went on last year... whos to say thats the best we could have been? is it a fact that 10th is the best we could have been???

I OFFER YOU A CHALLENGE TO DIG UP A SUMMARY OF THE 2002 SEASON SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS SUPERIOR DEFENSE WAS APART OF KINGS BASKETBALL... YOUR TRIP'N ... IF PAJA IS ANYWHERE NEAR A COURT AND IS ON YOUR TEAM YOU SUCK AT DEF. LETS SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND... GOOD LUCK... AND TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS KEVIN MARTIN IS GONNA BE SOO TIGHT ... I CANT WAIT THURS ! ! !
 
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OK MR 6TH ! ! ! ... your buddy brick here used this stat to shut down my point...

my new point is ...does the stat represent the whole year or maybe before artest or maybe after artest ...or how bout when wells was playing or when wells was out???... or how bout when wells was with artest and when he wasnt... who here can challenge this ... we were much better on offense when artest got here.... and then when he played with wells??? could we have been maybe somewhere in the top 10 or even 5 if they had more time together... my point is numbers DONT TELL ALL! ! ! we managed 10th best with the crap that went on last year... whos to say thats the best we could have been? is it a fact that 10th is the best we could have been???

and mr. 6th I OFFER YOU A CHALLENGE TO DIG UP A SUMMARY OF THE 2002 SEASON SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS SUPERIOR DEFENSE WAS APART OF KINGS BASKETBALL... YOUR TRIP'N ... IF PAJA IS ANYWHERE NEAR A COURT AND IS ON YOUR TEAM YOU SUCK AT DEF. LETS SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND... GOOD LUCK... AND TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS KEVIN MARTIN IS GONNA BE SOO TIGHT ... I CANT WAIT THURS ! ! !
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Uh, 6th isn't a "Mr." - if you'd been around for a while you'd know that.

Peja, while not an all-defense guy, was actually a decent man defender, especially against Dirk, of all people.

Numbers don't tell all, but they don't lie, either. That Kings team was a very good defensive team. It's a fact. Why are you so insistent that it wasn't? Are you such a player homer you cannot acknowledge a good defensive team from 2002? How do you think we got all those highlight reel dunks and 3's and backdoor layups - lots of times it was a quick open shot set up by the defense.... :rolleyes:
 
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all im saying is prove it...lets see this... refresh my mind... Peja just sucks all around .....all the shooting = nothing in clutch time... no def. the peja trade will go down as on of the best trades the kings ever made... unless artest decides to play in the NHL... who knows... i remember using those def, stats or rankings against all my laker buddies here in so. cal. in 2002 ....but i also remember it being a surprising number... and no one media, players, or coaches respected it... was there a reason for that? prove it or not ... im over this talk... i only wanted to bring kings fans together with this post cause im over the neg. talk about moves... players... and such ... but sure enough my thread was bombed with crap that doesnt even matter cause we are i guess just ok at passing and ok at shooting and ok at def. so maybe if they just have the heart and teamwork it could be a good season...stats or not the team totally lost faith in Rick A. so what... Musselman is here and now... and i think its just what we needed...
 
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