Oh good lord -- Chandler/Nene/Gasol $$

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From this Sam Amick article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/02/free-agency/index.html#ixzz1fRLQJOcg

you can pull out this:

According to sources, Nene, Chandler and Gasol all set their early asking prices in the neighborhood of maximum-contract territory, starting at $14.8 million for Gasol, $17.7 annually for Nene, and $20.7 million for Chandler. There is plenty of crossover in their respective lists of salary-cap-friendly suitors, with the Nets, Rockets and Warriors appearing to be the hungriest shoppers, and the Pacers and Trail Blazers strolling the big man aisles as well.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/02/free-agency/index.html#ixzz1fRehlpEe
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Holy complete delusion Batman. And right there would explain why we might not even be making a phone call to any of those dudes. I mean, if that's true, come on. Even as a bargaining stance designed to get them back down to $12mil per eventually its ridiculous.
 
And Mr. Samual Dalambert is seeing this as well so expect his to be in same range. We should sign Extensions to all our bigs. Beacause they are getting few and far between. Any Big with some skill level are at a premium it seems.
 
Those guys just simply aren't worth that much money. Not even close.

If they can get it, God bless them. I'll take Dalembert over here. You do have to wonder just how much these guys will push up his price tag. I once thought he could be had for around 8 mil .. now, I'm not so sure. Too many teams need to hit that cap floor .. More money NEEDS to spent then there are quality players available to spend it on. Good time to be a free agent.

I hope they sucker teams into maxing them out. More future cap room for us.
 
Entity said:
And Mr. Samual Dalambert is seeing this as well so expect his to be in same range. We should sign Extensions to all our bigs. Beacause they are getting few and far between. Any Big with some skill level are at a premium it seems.
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Is it possible we actually get worse this offseason?
 
jdbraver said:
Is it possible we actually get worse this offseason?
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No.

Lest anybody forget we have the most cap room in the league, and a high minimum salary floor to hit now. We will spend to either retain or import expensive talent. Just hopefully not THIS expensive.
 
Yeah so I'll be happy if we just keep Dalembert, the only one of these guys actually worth the money is Gasol anyway...
 
All it comes down to is whether there is someone out there stupid enough to offer that kind of money.

No CBA in the world will stop the owners from their own stupidity. Who ever offers that king of money to either needs to be sacked. Its getting ridiculous.

Chandler is the best defensive big man in the game but he is asking for more than Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Paul, Dirk, Howard, Deron et al are getting. Just mind boggling stuff!
 
I thought that the Perkins deal at the end of last year was going to set the standard for a defensive big at around 8-10 million, and as much as we need a defensive center, I don't think I'd pay Dalembert more than that, and Chandler/Nene, not much more.

Any team that pays those bigs that type of money is really going to be regretting it in a couple of years.

It's a bit funny. At first people were worried about Dalembert leaving us to Miami for a paltry 5 million, now you have to worry about him being too expensive as these other bigs hike up his asking price to 12/13 million.

I'd rather make a run at DeAndre Jordan or even consider Hayes for a short contract while I see how Whiteside develops.

But in all honesty, I really don't see Dalembert getting any sort of offers above 10 million. If those three somehow leave their current teams to sign as FA to teams under the cap, how many teams are there that under the cap and willing to shell out that kind of money to Dalembert?
I think the list is very small, so until I start seeing contracts going for 13-17 million, I'm going to try not to panic.

At this point in time, if we can get into training camp with Thorton and a defensive center I'll be happy, provided that we aren't paying 15 million for that center.

And if we can't land a defensive center, then we aren't making the playoffs. And looking on positive side you can see that we'd get to keep/use our 1st round pick, and this should be a deep draft.

So, there is a consolation prize waiting for us, if we miss out on free-agency.

One thing is for certain: The next week is going to be absolutely fantastic for NBA junkies as all the rumors swirl and the FA bonanza begins.
 
I've been a big proponent of pursuing all three of these guys but if getting them is going to take that kind of money, forget it. Nene and Chandler are asking Dwight Howard money for crying out loud. These guys aren't THAT good and they need a reality check. If any team is going to get suckered into paying them that I hope it ain't the Kings. I could MAYBE see 14 million for Gasol as I think he's the best all around player of the three and he's also the youngest. The other two are smoking crack though. 20 million for Chandler, LOL. Um...dude, you ain't prime Shaq all of a sudden just because your team won a title.
 
Bricklayer said:
No.

Lest anybody forget we have the most cap room in the league, and a high minimum salary floor to hit now. We will spend to either retain or import expensive talent. Just hopefully not THIS expensive.
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"It's not about the money money money, we don't need your money, money money, we just wanna make the world dance, forget about the price tag!"

Them players must be smoking something.
 
Gasol and Nene's agents are asking for probably 2-4m too much which is to expected as a starting point. Tyson is out of his mind given his age and injury history thinking he'll get 20M.
 
sidney said:
Gasol and Nene's agents are asking for probably 2-4m too much which is to expected as a starting point. Tyson is out of his mind given his age and injury history thinking he'll get 20M.
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He'd be out of his mind thinking he'd get that even if he were 25 and in perfect health. He was just simply never a maximum contract caliber player. Not even close. He's only averaged a double-double in one out of his ten seasons. He's not even that spectacular as a shot-blocker. He's a good but not great defensive big who's less than stellar on offense. He's a textbook example of the "toughness and leadership" type of player the NBA has and fans have come to overvalue.
 
Bricklayer said:
From this Sam Amick article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/02/free-agency/index.html#ixzz1fRLQJOcg

you can pull out this:




Holy complete delusion Batman. And right there would explain why we might not even be making a phone call to any of those dudes. I mean, if that's true, come on. Even as a bargaining stance designed to get them back down to $12mil per eventually its ridiculous.
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Makes me think a slight overpayment of Dally is not a bad thing.
 
Thing is, it doesn't matter a whole lot what these guys are demanding, because teams don't have that kind of money.

It's all relative. We still have more to spend then most teams. Who out there has the kind of money/cap room to offer Chandler 20M, or Nene 17M+?

The better teams in the league can't come close to this kind of money. Therefor, if you believe these guys are only about the money, then destination doesn't mean much, given the only clubs who can offer that kind of money right now are not very sexy destinations.

Which would lead me to believe, we still have a good shot at one or more of these guys, given they want good money, and we still can offer more then most, and when they expect or want this kind of money, obviously winning/sunny beaches isn't their first priority.

I don't want to throw 12M+ at one of these guys. 10M, maybe. Ask yourself, with Nene, Chandler, Daly and Jordan, are there 4 other teams out there willing to offer contracts of 10M+ per year? I don't think so. I'd still think if we were willing to offer say 40-45M over 4 years, or in that neighborhood, there wouldn't be more then 3-5 clubs willing, or even with the ability to offer that kind of contract.

I don't see the Nets spending that kind of money on these guys. They want Dwight, or another star. Hou and GS can offer bigger contracts, so they are clubs to keep an eye on. Ind? They have room, but are they a better destination? There's Wash, but why would they offer that much money to a center when already paying both Mcgee and Blatche?

So there are 4 FA centers we should consider going after, who might command a lot of money, but there really aren't that many potential suitors to fight off. I'm still hopeful.
 
There are quite a few teams under the cap. But only around 10 to 12 of them have enough money under the cap to offer 10 or more million. there are only 5 teams capable of offering a 20 million dollar contract. So I guess its possible they could get that kind of money, but I'll be shocked if anyone pays Chandler 20 mil a year, and that includes Dallas. I mean holy crapola, what are these guys thinking. Whiteside is starting to look real good to me..
 
bajaden said:
Whiteside is starting to look real good to me..
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Its too bad the only Whiteside we have seen was 5 blocks in the first summer league game last year dleague and some charity games. Its amazing we couldn't get him any burn on a 24 win team. Oh right we were in win now mode to save jobs.
 
Tyndel said:
Its too bad the only Whiteside we have seen was 5 blocks in the first summer league game last year dleague and some charity games. Its amazing we couldn't get him any burn on a 24 win team. Oh right we were in win now mode to save jobs.
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He was injured for most of the year, and completely out towards the end ( when you would give a guy like Whiteside a chance ).
 
If we can't get any of Gasol, Nene, Sammy, or Chandler, do guys think of having Spencer Hawes back in Kings Jersey?
Cousins and Hawes pair maybe the closest good passing pair of bigs next to Webber/Davic, IMO.
IMO, Hawes should just cost within 5M per year. Then we use the rest on a bench big that could come in for instance defense.
A few of the available Centers are Fesenko, Foster and Hayes.

On Cousins difficulty against quicker PF, we make use of Hickson at PF and Cousin at C.
I think at this point of his career, Hawes already knows he is bench big on regular basis and starter in few occasions.

To compensate Hawes, we better offer AK47 with the most money.
 
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KingsCitizen said:
If we can't get any of Gasol, Nene, Sammy, or Chandler, do guys think of having Spencer Hawes back in Kings Jersey?
Cousins and Hawes pair maybe the closest good passing pair of bigs next to Webber/Davic, IMO.
IMO, Hawes should just cost within 5M per year. Then we use the rest on a bench big that could come in for instance defense.
A few of the available Centers are Fesenko, Foster and Hayes.

On Cousins difficulty against quicker PF, we make use of Hickson at PF and Cousin at C.
I think at this point of his career, Hawes already knows he is bench big on regular basis and starter in few occasions.

To compensate Hawes, we better offer AK47 with the most money AK47.
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I like Hawes. I'd be happy to have him around again. I think he'd do well not having the pressure to be "big man of the future" like he was forced to be when he was brought in. We really need a defensive big man though....especially if we lose Dally...
 
No thanks to Hawes. He's not the kind of player we need, and he doesn't have a good attitude. He's lazy and unmotivated, and honestly, he seems like a prima donna. Just doesn't fit here and wouldn't be a good influence, on or off the court.
 
Hawes would fit well on offense and would get Cousins fouled out of every game on defense. I don't think I like it since we don't need offense to go through the other big with the weapons we have. Spacing would be better but we could get that with a better or more defined system also...
 
Dime Dropper said:
No thanks to Hawes. He's not the kind of player we need, and he doesn't have a good attitude. He's lazy and unmotivated, and honestly, he seems like a prima donna. Just doesn't fit here and wouldn't be a good influence, on or off the court.
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He is only 23, think of all the potential...

BTW I am just kidding.
 
I was willing to give Hawes another year of development, however, with Cousins on our team, there isn't any room at all for Hawes.

Too be honest I'm not certain what all the panic is about.

I truly want to re-sign Dalembert, and I think that we still have a better chance than anyone else to do so.

However, if we are unable to re-sign him, there is no real reason that we have to replace him.

The Casspi for Hickson trade, made having to get another big a non-issue. (Unless you can get an elite defender of course)

Granted, Hickson will not provide the type of play we need from someone paired with Cousins. He isn't going to be a defensive/shot-blocking stalwart.
However, we have Whiteside who needs playing time to develop, and could potentially fill that role down the line.

So you let JT and Hickson fight over the starting job next to Cousins. You then give Whiteside 15+ minutes a night, and see if he can be groomed into being Cousin's defensive partner.
I was very happy to see the 4-year deal we gave to Whiteside. We treated him like a 1st round pick, and I think that resonated with him. I want us to now see if we have something in him.

So if we lose on Dalembert, it will be a major blow to our team, with-out question. However, I don't think the answer is to go and sign someone else because we 'have' to replace him. We have talented bigs with-out Dalembert, and I'd rather they get the time to show us what they can do along-side Cousins.
 
Uncia03 said:
I was willing to give Hawes another year of development, however, with Cousins on our team, there isn't any room at all for Hawes.

Too be honest I'm not certain what all the panic is about.

I truly want to re-sign Dalembert, and I think that we still have a better chance than anyone else to do so.

However, if we are unable to re-sign him, there is no real reason that we have to replace him.

The Casspi for Hickson trade, made having to get another big a non-issue. (Unless you can get an elite defender of course)

Granted, Hickson will not provide the type of play we need from someone paired with Cousins. He isn't going to be a defensive/shot-blocking stalwart.
However, we have Whiteside who needs playing time to develop, and could potentially fill that role down the line.

So you let JT and Hickson fight over the starting job next to Cousins. You then give Whiteside 15+ minutes a night, and see if he can be groomed into being Cousin's defensive partner.
I was very happy to see the 4-year deal we gave to Whiteside. We treated him like a 1st round pick, and I think that resonated with him. I want us to now see if we have something in him.

So if we lose on Dalembert, it will be a major blow to our team, with-out question. However, I don't think the answer is to go and sign someone else because we 'have' to replace him. We have talented bigs with-out Dalembert, and I'd rather they get the time to show us what they can do along-side Cousins.
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/agree
 
Well on the bright side, it doesn't sound like anyone of these players are going to be signing with Miami for the mid-level exception.:D

I take it all with a large grain of salt. It doesn't matter what they want; it's what other teams have available to pay them for their services. The Kings are in a great position.
 
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