Offseason Plan

[Bricklayer]

Problems in no particualr order are that:

a) that PG position is all kinds of shaky, and with nobody you can be sure is the answer.

b) the Salmons/Cisco duplication is still mucking up our depth charts, and should really be cleared up. Outside of protection for Gerald's injuries, that's just kind of a waste.

c) SAR is serving no real purpose there, and at the point he's just a $5mil 3rd string old guy, we should cash him out to bring something else in -- under that approach, another kid.

d) a slow old center with foot problems isn't the right fit next to those running kids, especially one who can no longer clear the glass to start the break.


The Martin/Jianlin/Gerald core would be fun to watch though. Not sure if it would ever really win anything, but it would finally be a coherent group all built with the same playstyle in mind.

 

[BMiller52]

Problems in no particualr order are that:

a) that PG position is all kinds of shaky, and with nobody you can be sure is the answer.

b) the Salmons/Cisco duplication is still mucking up our depth charts, and should really be cleared up. Outside of protection for Gerald's injuries, that's just kind of a waste.

c) SAR is serving no real purpose there, and at the point he's just a $5mil 3rd string old guy, we should cash him out to bring something else in -- under that approach, another kid.

d) a slow old center with foot problems isn't the right fit next to those running kids, especially one who can no longer clear the glass to start the break.


The Martin/Jianlin/Gerald core would be fun to watch though. Not sure if it would ever really win anything, but it would finally be a coherent group all built with the same playstyle in mind.

If Jianlian is so great why wouldn't it win anything?

 

[ParniValjak]

There is one player I would like to see us make a strong push for, even though its probably hihgly unlikely he will leave his current team. That player is Darko Milicic.

So he is not a superstud type player and some will question his desire or toughness but he is a 7'1 athletic big who is a great shotblocker, solid rebounder and solid on the offensive end.

He is someone I would be looking to get in a sign and trade. He would add one more valuable piece to our youthful core.

This year was virtually his rookie season and he will get better with more time. He is inconsistent at the moment but that will improve with experience.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

The Martin/Jianlin/Gerald core would be fun to watch though. Not sure if it would ever really win anything, but it would finally be a coherent group all built with the same playstyle in mind.

that sounds pretty good. i'd like to see us pick up darko on the cheap and place him at center.

martin/jianlian/gerald/darko

that would be interesting to watch. i'd just be worried about getting a competent PG to distribute the ball around.

 

[ParniValjak]

that sounds pretty good. i'd like to see us pick up darko on the cheap and place him at center.

martin/jianlian/gerald/darko

that would be interesting to watch. i'd just be worried about getting a competent PG to distribute the ball around.

You ain't getting Darko on the cheap. If someone other than Magic wants him, he won't come cheap and there would be a team out there willing to take a punt.

I hope Kings are that team because IMHO, Darko has the potential to be a 18/10/2 type player.

 

[nbrans]

You guys are selling Calderon short -- he was awesome this year. He's quick, he shot over 50%, he's 25, and he has one of the highest assist rates in the NBA. Not sure how much stock you put in PER, but his was 19.19, which is pretty stellar. He'd be the perfect point guard for a running style.

And Brick -- definitely agree with the other flaws (other than the PG thing). There would still be work left to do.

 

[ParniValjak]

You guys are selling Calderon short -- he was awesome this year. He's quick, he shot over 50%, he's 25, and he has one of the highest assist rates in the NBA. Not sure how much stock you put in PER, but his was 19.19, which is pretty stellar. He'd be the perfect point guard for a running style.

And Brick -- definitely agree with the other flaws (other than the PG thing). There would still be work left to do.

I like Calderon as a play maker but he doesn't have a jump shot either. He is quick but he is not super quick. Wasn't it you that doesn't rate Conley because he doesn't have a jump shot and is not super quick?!

If we stay in the 8-10 range then I have a funny feeling that GP will pick up Conley.

I am hoping we get lucky in the lottery and would much rather we went big with the money freed up than for a Wallace. I like Wallace but going big would be more benficial in the long run.

We should be looking at ways of getting Darko. It will be tough since he is a RFA but I would rather take a punt on him than bring in Wallace. Wallace is a better player but Darko is an athletic 7'1 who has upside to be a 18/10/2 type big.

 

[Entity]

Because we have a chance at a good pick this season I think Petrie will be working quickly on the FA market and other trades so he will know what our needs are. WE all want a big. But the fact of the matter is if you trade Bibby and don't pick up Williams or get a good pg in return we will need to draft a pg.

 

[Smills91]

Justin Williams is planning on spending his Summer in Sacramento and working with the Kings strength and conditioning coach. FWIW, I think if the Kings offer him a contract(I see no reason not to), that he plans on staying in Sacramento for the length of the contract - I'd think a 3 year 4 million dollar deal is something he'll get with a player option after the 2nd year.

 

[Entity]

Justin Williams is planning on spending his Summer in Sacramento and working with the Kings strength and conditioning coach. FWIW, I think if the Kings offer him a contract(I see no reason not to), that he plans on staying in Sacramento for the length of the contract - I'd think a 3 year 4 million dollar deal is something he'll get with a player option after the 2nd year.

I'd do that but, he is a rookie go with the team option offer first to see if the agent bites.

 

[nbrans]

I like Calderon as a play maker but he doesn't have a jump shot either. He is quick but he is not super quick. Wasn't it you that doesn't rate Conley because he doesn't have a jump shot and is not super quick?!

If we stay in the 8-10 range then I have a funny feeling that GP will pick up Conley.

I am hoping we get lucky in the lottery and would much rather we went big with the money freed up than for a Wallace. I like Wallace but going big would be more benficial in the long run.

We should be looking at ways of getting Darko. It will be tough since he is a RFA but I would rather take a punt on him than bring in Wallace. Wallace is a better player but Darko is an athletic 7'1 who has upside to be a 18/10/2 type big.

Calderon can shoot fine -- he shot over 50% and 33% from three. He's not a deadly three point shooter, but he's sort of like Tony Parker -- can definitely hit the mid-range shot and out to 20 feet. My problem with Conley is that he already has trouble with the college 3 point line, which really constrains what he can do until he learns to shoot. In any event, Calderon is quick enough for me, and if you're looking for someone who can push the ball on the fast break he's the perfect type of player. He's already done in the NBA what you would hope Conley could do in a few years. So why not get a guy who is already a few years in and is still young (25) and improving rather than waiting for a young guy to develop?

I'm still not sold on Darko. He had every single opportunity in the world this season to improve -- he's not improving. I mean, sure, he's still young and athletic and coordinated, but when in the heck is he going to start getting better?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Calderon can shoot fine -- he shot over 50% and 33% from three. He's not a deadly three point shooter, but he's sort of like Tony Parker -- can definitely hit the mid-range shot and out to 20 feet. My problem with Conley is that he already has trouble with the college 3 point line, which really constrains what he can do until he learns to shoot. In any event, Calderon is quick enough for me, and if you're looking for someone who can push the ball on the fast break he's the perfect type of player. He's already done in the NBA what you would hope Conley could do in a few years. So why not get a guy who is already a few years in and is still young (25) and improving rather than waiting for a young guy to develop?

I'm still not sold on Darko. He had every single opportunity in the world this season to improve -- he's not improving. I mean, sure, he's still young and athletic and coordinated, but when in the heck is he going to start getting better?

Eh, he has only started 16 out of his 80 games and avg'd only 24 minutes, so he could still get more opportunity, but you're right it's a little concerning he hasn't improved much this year.

 

[Entity]

Justin Williamns inproved more in 7 games than Darko has in 3 years. Let me clarify Justin is not better than Darko but, as far as being a better player from the first time you step on the court to the last time Justin improved more.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Justin Williamns inproved more in 7 games than Darko has in 3 years. Let me clarify Justin is not better than Darko but, as far as being a better player from the first time you step on the court to the last time Justin improved more.

That's not really fair. Williams has done well, but in a much shorter time span. Maybe if he plays darko minutes the whole year a lot more of his weaknesses would've been exposed and taken advantage of. Also, Darko was forced into being bench fodder for the first two and half years of his NBA career, that's obviously going to stunt his growth.

 

[beb0p]

That's not really fair. Williams has done well, but in a much shorter time span. Maybe if he plays darko minutes the whole year a lot more of his weaknesses would've been exposed and taken advantage of. Also, Darko was forced into being bench fodder for the first two and half years of his NBA career, that's obviously going to stunt his growth.

Don't like the attitude of that dude. Darko complained and whined in Detroit until he basically destroyed his trade value and the management couldn't stand him. And now, he still hasn't done squad and he's talking about a mega-multi million contract. Darko is only looking out for Darko. He strike me as one of those guys who usually underperform until his contract year.

At least when Gerald Wallace was discontent, he kept his mouth shut and only talked of leaving before the start of his contract year.

Until Darko matures, which I don't think is anytime soon, you're going to have to deal with his up and down, up and down performances.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Don't like the attitude of that dude. Darko complained and whined in Detroit until he basically destroyed his trade value and the management couldn't stand him. And now, he still hasn't done squad and he's talking about a mega-multi million contract. Darko is only looking out for Darko. He strike me as one of those guys who usually underperform until his contract year.

At least when Gerald Wallace was discontent, he kept his mouth shut and only talked of leaving before the start of his contract year.

Until Darko matures, which I don't think is anytime soon, you're going to have to deal with his up and down, up and down performances.

He had every right to complain IMO.

 

[Entity]

agreed you thats something you just don't do. ***** about playing time as a Rookie or 2nd year man on a dynasty type team that just won the NBA championship.

 

[Troy]

Since Potapenko's $3.6M is off the books as well as Corliss's $6.5M, we should give Corliss $3.6M and then divy up the $6.5M to the youngings (Williams, Cisco, Price), KMART will require more $ that is not part of this $6.5M due to his excellent improvement and growth as a player, we don't want to lose him to another team willings to pay him what he deserves.

Corliss is a valuable NBA vet that is a great leader on and off the.

K9 and Muss lead the list of players that I hope we don't see tied to the Kings in the future. Bibby also should be moved for youth which frees up a 1/4 of our cap that he is tied to. Miller is a player on the decline as is SAR, if we can move them for something decent then let's try to do it, otherwise they can still be utilized as starters or off the bench, but please stop playing them together, they are way to slow and unathletic. One can play with Williams or hopefully Noah if we get him or some other athletic PF by next year.

We do need a rebuild, but I feel that a good young PF even Williams with Miller will help us win more games next year. Besides our black hole 4/5, Bibby had a extremely bad season, also Miller didn't have a good one, but he was battling his foot problem for a large portion of the year. If these guys play close to what they are capable then we should have had a better season by default, even with our 6'7" PF K9.

 

[nbrans]

Don't like the attitude of that dude. Darko complained and whined in Detroit until he basically destroyed his trade value and the management couldn't stand him. And now, he still hasn't done squad and he's talking about a mega-multi million contract. Darko is only looking out for Darko. He strike me as one of those guys who usually underperform until his contract year.

At least when Gerald Wallace was discontent, he kept his mouth shut and only talked of leaving before the start of his contract year.

Until Darko matures, which I don't think is anytime soon, you're going to have to deal with his up and down, up and down performances.

Darko is actually one of those rare players who underperforms IN his contract year. Which may be even more of a red flag. If you can't get motiviated for a contract year, what can you get motivated for?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Darko's numbers avg'd over 35 minutes. 11.7 ppg, (2.6 off/5.4 def) 8 rpg, 2.6 bpg, 3.9 PF, 2.3 TO, 45% fg, 61% FT

 

[Troy]

Or Vlade...

We need a big man coach very badly. Who is there coach, if they even have 1, a guy Muss's size. They might have a hard time hearing the coach from way down there!

 

[Entity]

Darko is actually one of those rare players who underperforms IN his contract year. Which may be even more of a red flag. If you can't get motiviated for a contract year, what can you get motivated for?

A gold medal like most of the players from overseas. See Peja. Darko will never live up to his draft position thats it. At best he could be as good as Pollard.

 

[nbrans]

We need a big man coach very badly. Who is there coach, if they even have 1, a guy Muss's size. They might have a hard time hearing the coach from way down there!

It's worth noting that Marc Iavaroni has been one of the coaches at Pete Newell's "big man" camp for over ten years.

 

[Troy]

Darko's numbers avg'd over 35 minutes. 11.7 ppg, (2.6 off/5.4 def) 8 rpg, 2.6 bpg, 3.9 PF, 2.3 TO, 45% fg, 61% FT

I rather trade Bibby at $12.5M next year & $1M cash (in Dr. Evil voice) for:

Darko: $6.8M expiring
Arroyo: $4M expiring
Ariza: $2.7M, 08'/09' expiring

 

[ParniValjak]

People are forgeting that this is virtually Darko's rookie season. He will get better and he is still only 22.

He got no play time in Detroit. Got some play time later last season when he got traded to Orlando. This year, in reality was his first full season. He will be much better player next year.

He would instantly be better than anything else we have at PF and he still at least has upside. Unlike the other bigs that we have on our roster. Other than Williams.

 

[Smills91]

It's worth noting that Marc Iavaroni has been one of the coaches at Pete Newell's "big man" camp for over ten years.

That won't matter much unless we win a top 3 pick in the lottery.

 

[fnordius]

It might mean we'd need a big man coach even more. Next year we will still need to have people playing PF and C, no matter how bad our draft position.

We might end up with some projects on our hands.

 

[Vlade4GM]

People are forgeting that this is virtually Darko's rookie season. He will get better and he is still only 22.

He got no play time in Detroit. Got some play time later last season when he got traded to Orlando. This year, in reality was his first full season. He will be much better player next year.

He would instantly be better than anything else we have at PF and he still at least has upside. Unlike the other bigs that we have on our roster. Other than Williams.

It depends how much money it would take. I think he's the ideal addition to a team like ours, a young big with potential. However if we're paying established player money we shouldn't sign him, no more than the max MLE.

 

[beb0p]

He had every right to complain IMO.

But he still shouldn't have done it.

Btw, if he had kept his mouth shut; he would now be the starting C for one of the best teams in the league; at least until C-Web arrived. Still, better than sharing minutes with Tony Battie in a contract year.

 

[tyrant]

Draft: best PF/C available (let's say Jianlian)

Keep in mind that the only way to clear salary for free agency this offseason is by trading with teams with cap room.

Trade #1:
Kings outgoing:
Ron Artest
Kings incoming:
Jose Calderon

Clippers outgoing:
Corey Maggette
Clippers incoming:
Ron Artest

Raptors outgoing:
Jose Calderon
Raptors incoming:
Corey Maggette

Kings get their point guard of the future in Calderon, who has had a terrific year, and clear some cap space in the process. The Clippers get Artest. The Raptors give up their backup point guard for the small forward they need to fill out a really tough starting five.

Also, I know the salaries don't match on this trade, but I'm pretty sure it would work because the end result would be both the Kings and Raptors being under the cap, and the Clippers match salaries.

Trade #2:
Kings outgoing:
Mike Bibby
Kings incoming:
Tyronn Lue

Atlanta outgoing:
Tyronn Lue
Atlanta incoming:
Mike Bibby

The Kings clear more cap space with this lopsided trade, and the Hawks finally get a good point guard. The Kings are now about $15 million under the cap.

Free agency #1:
Sign Gerald Wallace starting around $7-8 million a year

Free agency #2:
Sign Justin Williams around $1.5 mil a year

Free agency #3:
Sign Ronnie Price around $1.5 mil a year

Try to go after another big with the remaining money.

Sign draft pick. Also, try and trade Thomas and Miller for expirings. Extend Martin.

New Kings:
PG: Calderon, Price, Douby, Lue
SG: Martin, Douby
SF: Wallace, Salmons, Garcia
PF: Jianlian, Williams, SAR, KT
C: Miller, Williams, SAR

Not all the way there yet, but a Calderon/Martin/Wallace/Jianlian nucleus would be young, athletic and pretty fun to watch.

those trades are horrible. that backcourt is too immature. i dont think jianlian is good enough to cover brad millers sloppyness in the paint defensively.