Official Welcome to the Kings: Quincy Douby! (merged)
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SacTownKid
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Another thing. Who knows if this guy will even get playing time! Petrie may have picked as he always has done...on talent.
Who knows what kind of moves are going to be made this offseason. A lot of different directions could be taken, and I really think that energy may be misdirected if you think this pick has any huge ramifications to this team and where it is going.
July 1st is only a few days away and we should get a clearer idea of whats going to happen. I wouldn't be at all suprised to see the Kings deal for a veteren PG and we never see Douby hit the court next season. Then again Douby could be a part of the rotation. Who knows. Free agency and trades is where this team needs to look to improve itself. Not the 19th pick in a fairly weak draft.
Who knows what kind of moves are going to be made this offseason. A lot of different directions could be taken, and I really think that energy may be misdirected if you think this pick has any huge ramifications to this team and where it is going.
July 1st is only a few days away and we should get a clearer idea of whats going to happen. I wouldn't be at all suprised to see the Kings deal for a veteren PG and we never see Douby hit the court next season. Then again Douby could be a part of the rotation. Who knows. Free agency and trades is where this team needs to look to improve itself. Not the 19th pick in a fairly weak draft.
Hey, ESPN says we got a steal in quincy douby, 2nd mentioned after Shannon Brown (he is a steal too) to Cleveland. Just now on ESPN, by Greg Anthony.
Also, if most scouting reports, and his length and quickness don't say something about Douby's defense, this will only add to that....:
Ah, indeed....
Also, if most scouting reports, and his length and quickness don't say something about Douby's defense, this will only add to that....:
Ah, indeed....
Stroms
Prospect
Webber is not a star anymore. Ask Philly if they still want Webber, his non-existent defence and 20 mil. dollar contract. At least we made the playoffs in the West vs. Philly missing out in the East.
Kingsgurl
Starter
Hey, ESPN says we got a steal in quincy douby, 2nd mentioned after Shannon Brown (he is a steal too) to Cleveland. Just now on ESPN, by Greg Anthony.
Also, if most scouting reports, and his length and quickness don't say something about Douby's defense, this will only add to that....:
Ah, indeed....
You must have read some different scouting reports than I did, the ones I read cited defence as one of his weaknesses. Streaky shooter who likes to shoot first, might think about passing some other time.
But, hey, he does at least know what a defensive stance looks like
I just don't know why Petrie doesn't ever fill needs in the draft. Taking the best talent is fine when you're team is pretty filled out, but the Kings reluctance to draft somebody big who can board has pretty much killed the team for the past many years. No backup to Bibby hurt us last year. I don't know how many times you have to lose mainly because of one issue until you decide to address the issue.
I am sure Quincy can play in the league, and he might be a great scorer off the bench and a good player for years, but drafting a talented player doesn't always improve your team.
And no I don't trust in Petrie, and I haven't for a couple years. We've drafted shooting guards in the first round for three straight years, we have then traded for swingman three times in the past two years. It's becoming a revolving door.
I am sure Quincy can play in the league, and he might be a great scorer off the bench and a good player for years, but drafting a talented player doesn't always improve your team.
And no I don't trust in Petrie, and I haven't for a couple years. We've drafted shooting guards in the first round for three straight years, we have then traded for swingman three times in the past two years. It's becoming a revolving door.
As long as his D is adequate I'm okay with him. As Petrie said in the press conference, you can't really get lock-down defenders in the draft. The players either grow into it or they don't. You have to remember that when Bibby had to take breaks, the offense fell apart and hopefully this pick can fix that problem, at least somewhat. Also, if all the word on E-Muss is true, we don't have to worry about him keeping players who are lazy defensively on the floor just for offense like Adelman did, as much as I loved the guy.
You must have read some different scouting reports than I did, the ones I read cited defence as one of his weaknesses. Streaky shooter who likes to shoot first, might think about passing some other time.
But, hey, he does at least know what a defensive stance looks like
Sounds like you read NBADraft.net's report of him, Kingsgurl. Who aren't the best site most of the time. Regardless, most scouting reports I've read (3 or 4) mention his defense, namely draftexpress. Which is much more in depth on a profile on Douby, and in general on drafts.
Regardless of reports, his length, athleticism, and that picture indicate he can play defense. The length and quickness I'd say make up for his slight frame right now. Similar things were said about Garcia, but he's turned out pretty well so far (excluding blocks in this case). Also think Coach Muss will help along with the aforementioned things said about Douby's defense.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=18458
"We felt he was the most talented, most complete player available for the way the game is played in the NBA," Kings President Geoff Petrie said. "I think he'll bring a lot of excitement to our team and to the arena."
"We felt he was the most talented, most complete player available for the way the game is played in the NBA," Kings President Geoff Petrie said. "I think he'll bring a lot of excitement to our team and to the arena."
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If you are a team with trade assets like we are, you NEVER draft for need. Especially when you are a team chalk full of veterens.
Don't trust in Petrie, OK, but look at this team! Rebuilt within a year. That is FREAKIN' unbelievable. He has his faults but I can't knock the guy. I am anticipating what moves he makes this summer via FA and trade. That is how I will judge him.
Chris Cobb
Prospect
I kinda like the idea of having a lot of talented scorers on the bench. Normally it is the goal of the bench to not lose a lead, and if you got a lot of guys who can come in and score, then you will at least keep pace if not gain a lead if they can play any defense. Remember the days of the bench mob, not that this bench is close to that, but I like the direction.
walker60
Bench
It really is amazing that we have rebuilt almost our entire team on the fly like this. When most teams rebuild, they go through at least a few years of not making the playoffs. What Petrie and the Maloofs have done is awesome, hopefully they can make a couple more moves this summer and will put us back into title contention. I think they will!
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Did I say we didn't have holes??? The Maloofs themselves have acknowledged the very "holes"!
Sure we do, but they can be filled. But for the most part we are "rebuilt". We have a solid core that has shown it can play at the highest level with little experience together. Like I said, I will judge them by the moves they make in free agency and trade and what happens in the Bonzi Wells situation.
NBADraft.net was one site, collegehoops another and there were a few more
I'm sure I wouldn't know anything about picking draft picks, or all the sites that have scouting reports or videos.
Regardless of reports, his length, athleticism, and that picture indicate he can play defense. The length and quickness I'd say make up for his slight frame right now. Similar things were said about Garcia, but he's turned out pretty well so far (excluding blocks in this case). Also think Coach Muss will help along with the aforementioned things said about Douby's defense.
Far as our holes, just a couple additions to the FC, and a back-up PG who compliments Bibby, in the form of a two-way guard. In which there are a whole bunch of them out there available and can be had. If not? Well, Hart will have to prove himself under Muss.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
While not a prototypical point guard, Petrie said Douby's ballhandling skills make him a candidate to occasionally spell starter Mike Bibby. "At 6'3", he's got a lot of stuff. We think it's a good fit," Petrie said.
Another thing from News10. Looks like they DO see him as a backup for BIbby.
Another thing from News10. Looks like they DO see him as a backup for BIbby.
With people questioning and discounting Douby's defense (even though he can play defense), I really wonder how people would of reacted to Sergio Rodriguez and his defense. Who doesn't even exist on the defensive side of the basketball, and has a slight frame like Douby, but not as athletic/quick as Douby, or the versatile scorer that Douby is. Better playmaker? Yup. Though you can say something else also - Ser-Rod has a wild, flashy, turn-over prone style, and Douby never really played the point at Rutgers, due to him being asked to be a scorer, I have read. Douby is also more NBA-ready than Ser-Rod is, like reports have said, and will likely develop outside the league for sometime, probably a year.
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Uh...makes you wonder exactly what/where a PG is actually useful then. First it was the Princeton and all the talented passers who could not create. Now with all our passers gone we still have no use for one?
Douby might be able to play in this league, but because Geoff is still over-offensively orienting the team, Douby's a guy who needs to shoot to contribute but for whom there are no shots because they are all already accounted for. We're still in desperate need of guys who do the OTHER things.
It is what it is, but our backcourt right now is heavily oriented towards its own offense. Cisco's really the only guy with a different mentality, and he wasted most of last year being the worst chucker of all.
From everything that I hear about Quincy, he does take pride in his D, and if anything it is actually one of his strengths...with his wingspan, decent athleticism, I don't see why he can't be good at it.
I am more worried about him, as someone once put it, "finding the pass-shoot zen." My nightmare scenario: Quincy ends up being a worse chuckler than Cisco at the beginning of the season as he presses himself too much whenever he actually gets to go on the court, and then gets frustrated when things don't go well for him. Best case scenario: the Kings get a scorer capable of great shooting, slashing, and some intense D, and fits the Kings' "point guard" position to a T.
Kingsgurl
Starter
Agreed with most things there ^. Whether he's forcing and all that, who knows. Don't think it's a rule every rookie will be like that, but he could be, or could not.
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I'd like to welcome Quincy. We have no idea yet how this team is going to look on opening day. Its obvious some significant moves are planned. So I am going to reserve any judgement until free agency and early trades pan out. I will say that good guards are a dime a dozen in the draft while a lot of big men fizzle out and never contribute at the NBA level. I think we probably made a safe choice and with a lot of tradeable assets we can afford to move one or more of them to get a big man that is more of a known quantity. I can also safely assume we won't be using our MLE on a backup pg, maybe we can steal a big man there.
With him handling the point? It's in question becuase of not playing the point at Rutgers and asked to be a scorer there, which means he'll learn and struggle a bit. Or he can play the point some, and it's all a matter of certain people not knowing about that.
Or, with the "occasionally" said by Petrie, it means just that, and were getting a back-up PG this summer or using Hart.
Once again, lots of possibilities and questions there, so I'd say it's a "wait and see" thing. Not only involving Douby, but the whole back-up PG situation.
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nbrans
All-Star
Douby might be able to play in this league, but because Geoff is still over-offensively orienting the team, Douby's a guy who needs to shoot to contribute but for whom there are no shots because they are all already accounted for. We're still in desperate need of guys who do the OTHER things.
It is what it is, but our backcourt right now is heavily oriented towards its own offense. Cisco's really the only guy with a different mentality, and he wasted most of last year being the worst chucker of all.
If Douby were being brought in to be a starting point guard I might agree with you. I think you need a steady hand and solid distribution out of your starting point guard, to get your other good players involved. But with Douby, realistically we're talking about someone who is going to get MAYBE 15 minutes a night. I'd rather have someone who can light up those 15 minutes, score some quick points and not get killed on defense rather than a steady hand.
This past season the bench was putrid offensively. The bench has to score points. And now there's potentially a guy who can provide some offensive punch off the bench and get his own shot. Especially if Bonzi walks and Martin is starting the bench is going to need offense. Hopefully we just got some.
It's not just shooting that makes a team score. Even in games where Bibby's shot is off, the team would always score better with him in the game than out.
It sounds like Douby was selected because of the current rules benefiting his type of play. I also think, maybe it was to keep him from the Suns, because even without the passing, he'd be pretty killer on that team.
And I don't think the Kings have trade assets, outside of Bonzi, because the guys they want to trade have been on the trading block for nearly two years and noone has wanted them.
I think Quincy could come in and be like a double digit scorer off the bench, and get a lot of love, but I just don't know if that puts the Kings in a better position. I know the Kings had trouble with bench production, but part of that problem was Adleman's rotations. I also wonder about where his playing time will come from. If he is going to be Bibby's backup, that means less time and that means he'll be out of position. If he is going to be the shooting guard only, he'll be at best third on the depth chart and struggling for minutes.
It sounds like Douby was selected because of the current rules benefiting his type of play. I also think, maybe it was to keep him from the Suns, because even without the passing, he'd be pretty killer on that team.
And I don't think the Kings have trade assets, outside of Bonzi, because the guys they want to trade have been on the trading block for nearly two years and noone has wanted them.
I think Quincy could come in and be like a double digit scorer off the bench, and get a lot of love, but I just don't know if that puts the Kings in a better position. I know the Kings had trouble with bench production, but part of that problem was Adleman's rotations. I also wonder about where his playing time will come from. If he is going to be Bibby's backup, that means less time and that means he'll be out of position. If he is going to be the shooting guard only, he'll be at best third on the depth chart and struggling for minutes.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Let me see. 2-3 years ago our starting 5 was
C: Divac
PF: Webber
SF: Pedja
SG: Christie
PG: Bibby
Apart from Bibby we have a completely new starting 5 and we made that change without missing play-offs. Sure we are not contenders and yes we do have some areas to address but that rebuild on the fly is remarkable in anyones books. I get the feeling that people around here don't appreciate how good we'va had it while we completely revamped the roster. That is some seriously freaky GMing.
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