Official Fire PDA thread

[Chubbs]

Hey PDA, your new coach messed up clock management badly, and we blew another lead against the Mavs.

 

[Chupacabra]

If you still havent hired the #1 coaching candidate, who has publicly expressed his desire to coach this team, you should be fired. If you fired a successful head coach without having his replacement lined up then you should be fired. Firing Malone before youve lined up his replacement and after he has achieved a winning record should get you fired. This move is so incredibly transparent its amazing to me that D'allesandro hasnt been fired yet. It tells me that Vivek must be sold on NBA 3.0 jazz hands basketball.

 

[kingsfan1984]

In one fell swoop PDA turned this team into a laughing stock around the league. No one will trust what the Weasel tries to sell the on. Free agents are not going to want to come here, where before I think they would have. Who would want to step into the instability? Sadly I fear it won't be long before our superstar Big Cuz will demand out of this mess. Only way to fix it in my opinion is to fire PDA and start over with the front office.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

they hired a spineless numbers yes man. give him the axe!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

One of the things that confuses me most is Ranadive coming out and saying that the team would win more games under Corbin and make the playoffs. Really odd. Not, "we're moving in a different direction that we think is best long term" but "we're going to be better immediately after this move". Very strange.

Is that because Ranadive made the call to fire Malone and thought he was drastically underperforming and actually holding the team back as their head coach? Or is it because D'Alessandro and/or Mullin convinced him that the team would be better THIS season if Malone were fired?

Either way, really odd and shows a lack of understanding of NBA basketball.

you got 3 dudes who are trying to reinvent the game. one great with numbers, one former gm fail and one jr high school mvp coach. recipe for disaster.

 

[gunks]

Nothing will change until that little snot, Vivek, is out as owner.

Dude should buy and train wreck a soccer team. Cause who cares about soccer, and Vivek obviously needs to train wreck something.

 

[Kingster]

The reality is starting to set in that we're going to have Corbin as the coach for the rest of the year. I was hoping that being super smart and all that the Kings would have hired a great new coach by now, but alas it looks like the sub is going to teach for the remaining semester.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

damn gerbil

 

[Letsgokings13]

And I was excited for our future

 

[Prince_XY]

One of the things that confuses me most is Ranadive coming out and saying that the team would win more games under Corbin and make the playoffs. Really odd. Not, "we're moving in a different direction that we think is best long term" but "we're going to be better immediately after this move". Very strange.

IMO, not very strange.

If you are an owner of a business selling something, would you say that your product is bad and bound to fail?

Actually, that is the kind of optimistic owner I want for my team.

 

[Elektrik]

I'm befuddled why we terminate a coach with 4 years on a contract and a winning record and not have a solid replacement in the wings. Reeks of bush league. Then you don't tell the players the newbie coach has the job for the rest of the season and wonder why they're playing poorly. Yet, you expect your players to remain professional while you (ownership/FO) don't? After what we've been through as fans and a franchise I don't know why this bothers me so much. Vivek needs to get real basketball people running the show and keep his nose out of it. Meddling ownership has proven time and again to be an epic fail. Hire the right people and then let them do their job. It's simple

 

[Chubbs]

IMO, not very strange.

If you are an owner of a business selling something, would you say that your product is bad and bound to fail?

Actually, that is the kind of optimistic owner I want for my team.

That wasn't optimism, that was a borderline guarantee that many here will not let him forget.

He made it clear Corbin would win more games than Malone and make the playoffs. So, let's see it.

I see a team that got dramatically worse, not better. If you enjoy being lied to, then this ownership group is for you.

Don't expect anyone else to be with you.

 

[funkykingston]

IMO, not very strange.

If you are an owner of a business selling something, would you say that your product is bad and bound to fail?

Actually, that is the kind of optimistic owner I want for my team.

That's a horrible analogy. It's bad enough that it's actually backwards. Ranadive HAD a product that was selling (a Kings team off to a reasonably promising start) and came out publicly to say that it was okay but that they were pulling it off the shelves and customers would love the new version even more.

While not his fault, Tyrone Corbin is Vivek's New Coke.

 

[Chubbs]

That's a horrible analogy. It's bad enough that it's actually backwards. Ranadive HAD a product that was selling (a Kings team off to a reasonably promising start) and came out publicly to say that it was okay but that they were pulling it off the shelves and customers would love the new version even more.

While not his fault, Tyrone Corbin is Vivek's New Coke.

“To hear some tell it, April 23, 1985, was a day that will live in marketing infamy... spawning consumer angst the likes of which no business has ever seen.”-
—The Coca-Cola Company, on the New Coke announcement[14]

Sounds eerily similar to PDA scoffing at the notion fans would stop buying season tickets because of a coaching change.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

why doesn't he just come out and say hey the coach didn't like my ideas.. cherry picking 4 on 5, run/gun offense, tanking to save pick & didn't listen to the jazz music i gave him so i gave him the axe. i wouldn't be pissed if he just told the truth. the fans would know there is some semblance of direction. he does love the passion of the fans right?

 

[Spike]

I've thought about that as a possibility and it still makes no sense to me. Even if the Kings barely missed the playoffs or just barely snuck in as an 8th seed under Malone the FO could replace him in the offseason with Mullin and make the argument that they needed an offensive mind to take the Kings to the next level. I'd still be angry, but not as angry as firing a coach the team respected midseason with no apparent successor in mind. At least then it looks like a thought out plan instead of a bizarre knee jerk reaction.

Nearly a month later and I'm still baffled as to the actual reason Malone was fired.

Claiming that we would have more wins and get to the playoffs could potentially paint PDA into a corner. "You promised me success, and didn't deliver." That would be rather savvy, and forward-thinking.

 

[randymoss1881]

why doesn't he just come out and say hey the coach didn't like my ideas.. cherry picking 4 on 5, run/gun offense, tanking to save pick & didn't listen to the jazz music i gave him so i gave him the axe. i wouldn't be pissed if he just told the truth. the fans would know there is some semblance of direction. he does love the passion of the fans right?

I'd be pissed regardless of any explanation we were gonna be in the playoffs this year no doubt about it. Unless Malone had sex with viveks duaghter which I wouldn't blame him than he should still be here.

 

[funkykingston]

Claiming that we would have more wins and get to the playoffs could potentially paint PDA into a corner. "You promised me success, and didn't deliver." That would be rather savvy, and forward-thinking.

The question I'll likely never get an answer to is who exactly is pulling the strings. Who made the call to fire Malone. The public narrative is that PDA and Mullin convinced Vivek to do it. But is that reality? I don't know. Everyone seemed initially pleased with themselves about the firing and it wasn't until the backlash started that we heard about D'Alessandro flying to Vegas and Ranadive claiming he had a hands off approach.

I don't know. But either way it's bad for D'Alessandro if things don't turn around. If it was his idea then he takes the blame. If it was Vivek's then you have to recognize that you work for an owner who apparently has no patience and no qualms about replacing the people he hired in order to quickly "pivot".

 

[Prince_XY]

Ranadive HAD a product that was selling (a Kings team off to a reasonably promising start) and came out publicly to say that it was okay but that they were pulling it off the shelves and customers would love the new version even more.

While not his fault, Tyrone Corbin is Vivek's New Coke.

It was selling, but maybe he saw and believed the boom as something not sustainable in the long run?

I mean, you just have to read the thread "The Fallacy of Hope" where it was pointed out that the Kings roster was not that bad to lose badly (and that was with or without Cousins). That thread was born out of frustration during the last weeks of Malone era where clearly the Kings were on a downward trajectory and it even started with Cousins still playing.

Maybe Vivek/FO decided enough is enough and we have to change course for the betterment of the team in the future?

 

[Glenn]

The question I'll likely never get an answer to is who exactly is pulling the strings. Who made the call to fire Malone. The public narrative is that PDA and Mullin convinced Vivek to do it. But is that reality? I don't know. Everyone seemed initially pleased with themselves about the firing and it wasn't until the backlash started that we heard about D'Alessandro flying to Vegas and Ranadive claiming he had a hands off approach.

I don't know. But either way it's bad for D'Alessandro if things don't turn around. If it was his idea then he takes the blame. If it was Vivek's then you have to recognize that you work for an owner who apparently has no patience and no qualms about replacing the people he hired in order to quickly "pivot".

If it was Vivek, I wonder if he learned anything. Seems to me that he must have. HOWEVER, what did his advisers tell him about the possible negative consequences? I hate to take a "woe is me" attitude but it seems like they are quite confident that this fan base who invested a lot of time and money to help keep the team in Sacramento would put up with anything.

 

[pdizo916]

I was very mad when he traded Robin Lopez for peanuts. Now I'm pissed........

At least with Vikek, he saved our team, so he has a five year grace period with me. I'm not going to be "that fan" that loved him last year, and this year, hates him. I am forever grateful for him. He saved Sacramento basketball. Now with Jed York, he is single handily destroying my 49ers piece by piece. At least I still have my Giants and Sharks.

 

[randymoss1881]

I was very mad when he traded Robin Lopez for peanuts. Now I'm pissed........

At least with Vikek, he saved our team, so he has a five year grace period with me. I'm not going to be "that fan" that loved him last year, and this year, hates him. I am forever grateful for him. He saved Sacramento basketball. Now with Jed York, he is single handily destroying my 49ers piece by piece. At least I still have my Giants and Sharks.

That's a long ass time Boogie could be gone by then cause of this circus. That's an unforgivable sin if that happens.

 

[notoriousBEN3]

Has Vivek said anything lately? We all know Pete went on the radio and really just made things worse, but has Vivek said anything publicly recently? I think last we heard from him was right after the firing and the national media attention... Has he just remained silent since then? To be fair, he would be wise to stay silent, but i would just LOVE to hear his take on everything, especially since he said we would do better with Corbin. Just curious...

 

[Chubbs]

It was selling, but maybe he saw and believed the boom as something not sustainable in the long run?

I mean, you just have to read the thread "The Fallacy of Hope" where it was pointed out that the Kings roster was not that bad to lose badly (and that was with or without Cousins). That thread was born out of frustration during the last weeks of Malone era where clearly the Kings were on a downward trajectory and it even started with Cousins still playing.

Maybe Vivek/FO decided enough is enough and we have to change course for the betterment of the team in the future?

The fallacy of hope thread came immediately after the Malone firing and was about the Malone firing extinguishing hope.

The poll about the firing showed 6% agreed with it. That's it.

We know what Vivek believed. Or said he believes. He's just flat out wrong.

PS-I can't find that thread anymore. But painting it as a ***** fest about how happy everyone was to see Malone gone is a rewriting of history.

 

[Prince_XY]

That wasn't optimism, that was a borderline guarantee that many here will not let him forget.

He made it clear Corbin would win more games than Malone and make the playoffs. So, let's see it.

I see a team that got dramatically worse, not better. If you enjoy being lied to, then this ownership group is for you.

Don't expect anyone else to be with you.

I don't see any reason why he would lie. Vivek, (of all people/fans) stands to lose the most money for paying two coaches for the next 2 years if their move proves to be a failure in the long term. The move clearly was well-thought and intended to improve the Kings (and not intended to make the fans angry). That is whether we like/believe it or not.

 

[rainmaker]

I was very mad when he traded Robin Lopez for peanuts. Now I'm pissed........

At least with Vikek, he saved our team, so he has a five year grace period with me. I'm not going to be "that fan" that loved him last year, and this year, hates him. I am forever grateful for him. He saved Sacramento basketball. Now with Jed York, he is single handily destroying my 49ers piece by piece. At least I still have my Giants and Sharks.

KJ and Burkle saved the team, along with the fans.

Vivek played a part, but he came in at a later date and capitalized on their hard work and willingness to roll their sleeves up. Burkle would be our owner if not for a conflict of interest.

 

[Prince_XY]

The fallacy of hope thread came immediately after the Malone firing and was about the Malone firing extinguishing hope.

You are mistaken.

That thread was before the firing of Malone.

Can we ask the moderators to make that thread appear again so we can see who/which fans were frustrated about losing just before Malone got fired?

 

[rainmaker]

I don't see any reason why he would lie. Vivek, (of all people/fans) stands to lose the most money for paying two coaches for the next 2 years if their move proves to be a failure in the long term. The move clearly was well-thought and intended to improve the Kings (and not intended to make the fans angry). That is whether we like/believe it or not.

PDA lies. Politics and law are his former sectors and lying is a part of the game. It's the cloth he's cut from.

Vivek thinks he speaks the truth, just doesn't have much of a clue what he's talking about.

 

[Chubbs]

You are mistaken.

That thread was before the firing of Malone.

Can we ask the moderators to make that thread appear again so we can see who/which fans were frustrated about losing just before Malone got fired?

Why does it matter? I'd like to see it too to be honest.

It's been pointed in a variety of ways no one wanted Malone fired. The poll confirmed it.

You're equating any kind of negative feedback as evidence he should have been fired. That's a fallacy.

 

[Chubbs]

I don't see any reason why he would lie. Vivek, (of all people/fans) stands to lose the most money for paying two coaches for the next 2 years if their move proves to be a failure in the long term. The move clearly was well-thought and intended to improve the Kings (and not intended to make the fans angry). That is whether we like/believe it or not.

There a lot of reasons ($$$$) for him to sell false hope. It's not complicated.