Offense should run through SAR in the post

[schaffeb]

Let me preface this by saying that I haven't watched that many games this year so my opinion might be a little uneducated.

I've noticed that SAR is a freaking leathal weapon down low. In fact that SAR in the post may be the most effective weapon the kings have.

I'd like to see Adelman get rid off the emphasis on the high post and run the offense through Shareef down low. Anyone feel me?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Don't feel ya. Ofense that moves through the low post is usualy fairly one diminisonal unless the low post guy is named Shaq, Tim or Kevin. More to the point if a team has 5 solid scoring threats it's more effencient to distribute the ball out side trafic not in it. I could go on but then what's the point. Reef can pass but he is no Brad Miller.

 

[VF21]

Let me preface this by saying that I haven't watched that many games this year so my opinion might be a little uneducated.

I've noticed that SAR is a freaking leathal weapon down low. In fact that SAR in the post may be the most effective weapon the kings have.

I'd like to see Adelman get rid off the emphasis on the high post and run the offense through Shareef down low. Anyone feel me?

First, welcome back!

SAR is an option in some matchups, but he's NOT a lethal weapon by any means. And, as HC pointed out, he's not the passer that Miller is, although he's shown some improvement in that area already.

What the Kings are starting to show - that we've all been watching for - is a return to effective ball movement with at least three people touching the ball. That's what can be lethal - especially when the last person to handle it is someone like Bibby or Peja. To me, there's not much that can touch watching smooth passes around the outside while the defenders run around in circles, eventually leaving one person open - and that one person either steps up, steps back or steps to the side and the next thing you hear is nothing but net. And now, it appears both Bonzi and SAR are legitimate inside threats, so they ADD to our arsenal but not to the point where I think we should run our primary offense through Reef.

 

[playmaker0017]

I tend to believe Reef is lethal in the post. Furthermore, he doesn't have to be lethal to be effective.

Let's just dispel this notion that Brad Miller is some phenominal passer. He's a good passer, but his passing is of the easiest kind. In a quick algorythm it looks like this:

Sit at top of key
Receive ball
Look for cutter
If Cutter
.....pass
If No Cutter
.....If Bibby/Peja behind you on curl
..........pass
.....If not
..........shoot

This is not exactly high level passing. He's not breaking a defense down and passing. He's not drawing anyone in and dishing. He's standing still and passing. Very simple stuff.

Reef has shown an equal aptitude for this skill, matching Brad's numbers when asked to handle the ball up top.

The difference is Reef can and does draw people in and dish. He does break a defense down and kick.

More to the point if a team has 5 solid scoring threats it's more effencient to distribute the ball out side trafic not in it.

That's actually a terrible philosophy. No one gets into a rythm.

First, let's dispel the notion that we have 5 solid scoring threats. We have 3. Reef, Bibby, Peja. Those are the "solid" scoring threats. The other two are roleplayers that can score.

Second, distributing the ball evenly through 5 people is terrible. No one gets in rythm. Find a team with any sort of success where the ball doesn't center on one to two people, and I'll show you a team that will fold.

Third, teams that tend to win championships play inside out NOT outside in. Distributing the ball around the outside is great in theory, but it works a lot better once the inside has been established. The shots are more open and less contested. The lanes open up for driving. Why? Because they have to play honest with an inside threat.

 

[mcsluggo]

Peja and Bonzi aren't scoring threats?

Yes Peja is a role-player... his role is SCORER. Period. exclamation point.

 

[playmaker0017]

Peja and Bonzi aren't scoring threats?

Ummm ... no Bonzi is NOT a solid scoring threat.

He's a threat to score, but no one game plans to stop Bonzi Wells.

Yes Peja is a role-player... his role is SCORER. Period. exclamation point.

Ummm... okay, that's for sharing. I made a typographical error. I meant Peja, not Miller. I promise you - I don't highly respect Miller as a scorer.

 

[CaminoChaos]

I believe that SAR needs to stop shooting jump shots. If he can't find a cutter he needs to take it to the hole instead sooting. He hasn't made that shot consistantly enough. I've noticed teams leave him open up there but he still can't hit that shot consistantly. I feel he should take it inside everytime. Or just until he gets that elbow jumper down. I'm sure the other big will collapse on him leaving Brad open. Brad is a far better shooter.

 

[playmaker0017]

I believe that SAR needs to stop shooting jump shots. If he can't find a cutter he needs to take it to the hole instead sooting. He hasn't made that shot consistantly enough.

In the past he's hit it pretty consistantly, but he's not GREAT at it.

His whole shot is off this year ... from the line, from the outside. It's just off. I wonder if they are trying to add arc to his shots?

But for the most part, they are giving him the ball out there - when they need to be feeding him in the post. Get him going on the post with some easy shots and then start bringing him outside. It's amazing what confidence does for a player.

Brad is a far better shooter.

Brad is definitely a more consistant shooter.

 

[Bricklayer]

I believe that SAR needs to stop shooting jump shots. If he can't find a cutter he needs to take it to the hole instead sooting. He hasn't made that shot consistantly enough. I've noticed teams leave him open up there but he still can't hit that shot consistantly. I feel he should take it inside everytime. Or just until he gets that elbow jumper down. I'm sure the other big will collapse on him leaving Brad open. Brad is a far better shooter.

That's a real probelm though, since the offense routinely calls for him to catch it outside.

 

[CaminoChaos]

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That's a real probelm though, since the offense routinely calls for him to catch it outside.

Exactly. He needs to make a hard drive and then shoot if single covered or kick it out to Brad or another shooter if doubled.

 

[playmaker0017]

Exactly. He needs to make a hard drive and then shoot if single covered or kick it out to Brad or another shooter if doubled.

It's not really that easy.

I agree though, he needs to be FAR more aggressive going to the rim.

 

[kingsfan916]

I tend to believe Reef is lethal in the post. Furthermore, he doesn't have to be lethal to be effective.

Let's just dispel this notion that Brad Miller is some phenominal passer. He's a good passer, but his passing is of the easiest kind. In a quick algorythm it looks like this:

Sit at top of key
Receive ball
Look for cutter
If Cutter
.....pass
If No Cutter
.....If Bibby/Peja behind you on curl
..........pass
.....If not
..........shoot

This is not exactly high level passing. He's not breaking a defense down and passing. He's not drawing anyone in and dishing. He's standing still and passing. Very simple stuff.

Reef has shown an equal aptitude for this skill, matching Brad's numbers when asked to handle the ball up top.

The difference is Reef can and does draw people in and dish. He does break a defense down and kick.



That's actually a terrible philosophy. No one gets into a rythm.

First, let's dispel the notion that we have 5 solid scoring threats. We have 3. Reef, Bibby, Peja. Those are the "solid" scoring threats. The other two are roleplayers that can score.

Second, distributing the ball evenly through 5 people is terrible. No one gets in rythm. Find a team with any sort of success where the ball doesn't center on one to two people, and I'll show you a team that will fold.

Third, teams that tend to win championships play inside out NOT outside in. Distributing the ball around the outside is great in theory, but it works a lot better once the inside has been established. The shots are more open and less contested. The lanes open up for driving. Why? Because they have to play honest with an inside threat.

Perfect!