Tha Kali Way
G-League
we will have the same team all season and we should not expect any trades. its looking like this season will be worst then the last year and possibly the worst season we have ever had.
of course with all the trades that went down today 12/18 kingz dont take any action
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Which one of the over 30 year olds with $15mil contracts would you have liked to have seen us blow our capspace on?
These just weren't our deals.
beb0p
Starter
The Kings have already traded their two most moveable pieces that could still get back value, and they were KMart and Hawes. At this point, GP has already boxed himself in, and should exercise patience instead of another wishful quick fix. Aside from Carl Landry, I don't think they need to move any one and I don't think any team out there would want our garbage aside from Landry, who I think still has value.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What teams may want is our capspace and our youth -- its a potent combo, but not for a team like Orlando trying to contend, or Phoenix trying to hang on. And I assume we hung up when Washington called about Areans.
Tha Kali Way
G-League
we need 2 do something though this team is playing terrible, we need a spark. something has to happen soon
NikateeN
Bench
For the last few years everybody has talked about the money we would have for the 09 season after we dump KT and a few other contracts, what ever happened with that? Just Curious, maybe i missed something.
Its sad that we sit here now with the worst record in the NBA, and really have nobody to trade even if we wanted to, nobody that will actually make a difference in this season, and on the other foot if we end the season with the worst record we will still probably end up with the 4th or 5th pick, which will land us another "young prospect", just like the other ones we have been collecting for a few seasons now, the same ones that dont improve the team, or at least dont seem to be to me.
We are stuck in a loop right now, something special has to happen at this point to make a change for the better, whether that be Tyreke becoming lebron-ish, a Webber-like trade that changes the team, or just the team coming together to amaze the world in winning 20 games in a row, only time will tell.
Its sad that we sit here now with the worst record in the NBA, and really have nobody to trade even if we wanted to, nobody that will actually make a difference in this season, and on the other foot if we end the season with the worst record we will still probably end up with the 4th or 5th pick, which will land us another "young prospect", just like the other ones we have been collecting for a few seasons now, the same ones that dont improve the team, or at least dont seem to be to me.
We are stuck in a loop right now, something special has to happen at this point to make a change for the better, whether that be Tyreke becoming lebron-ish, a Webber-like trade that changes the team, or just the team coming together to amaze the world in winning 20 games in a row, only time will tell.
Read the article on NBA.com
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/12/18//magic-suns-trade/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
What I like is the line "But Turkoglu never figured out a way to play with Steve Nash" ... shows you that just because you have a great PG it doesn't mean he'll make everyone around him look good. It's a two way thing
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/12/18//magic-suns-trade/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
What I like is the line "But Turkoglu never figured out a way to play with Steve Nash" ... shows you that just because you have a great PG it doesn't mean he'll make everyone around him look good. It's a two way thing
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I've been as harsh a critic as anyone regarding the Kings' lack of aggressiveness in trades and free agency. Having said that, I really don't think Carter, Lewis, or Arenas is what this team needs. Not at their price, they all have HUGE contracts that their production just doesn't justify. If they're going to pick up a 20 million a year guy, it needs to be someone like Carmello, Paul, Williams, etc. Someone who's going to be a franchise player for years to come. Lewis and Carter are over 30 and declining every year and Arenas is playing on bad knees and will never be the player he was 3 or 4 years ago again.
What I’d like to see the Kings do, and that would help them get better is try and get Jameer Nelson. They need a backup center for Howard now so Nelson for Dalembert works for both teams.
What I’d like to see the Kings do, and that would help them get better is try and get Jameer Nelson. They need a backup center for Howard now so Nelson for Dalembert works for both teams.
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steelevt
All-Star
you cant just look at it as a glass half empty trade for us. i know we couldnt have pulled it off but if we would have gotten an expiring in carter (i think next years is a team option), a good back up center in gortat, a wing defender in pietrus, 3 mil, and a 1st round pick, i wouldnt have complained. carter would have made it easier to watch games this season and in his old age is still as good as omri or donte, or at least more consistent. gortat would make it easier to let dalembert go after this year. pietrus is a decent bench player, and we would have 3 million and a late first rounder which petrie can do wonders with. again, i dont think we had anything to get this trade but i think if we did, i would look at the glass half full instead of complaining that we only got an overpaid 30 year old player.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
erm... who do we trade??? we have like 30-35 mill in contracts. so we trade like 50% of our roster for those 3 players?
the team needs battle experience not quick fixes. all young teams go through this process. its called r-e-b-u-i-l-d-i-n-g. unless your team already have a established stud like kobe and pick up a young andrew bynum in a rebuild; you will have a longer path to the playoffs. we unfortunately don't have that stud vet .
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steelevt
All-Star
did you read the whole post? in the beginning and the end i said "i know we couldnt have pulled it off..." and "again, i dont think we had anything to get this trade." my point is that we have to look at trades as a whole, and not pick out parts that we dont like or we will never like any trades. some see it as getting a 30 year old getting paid 15 million, others see it as more than that.
You have to look at the whole trade though. Clearly the two teams were looking to shake things up. They both felt like they had something to gain by trading vets and hoping that the new scenarios would provide beneficial. They weren't looking for salary dumps or youth, which is where we could have come in handy.
If anything, this might open the floodgates for a heavy trading season in which the Kings CAN be active. This was not the day to do so. Nobody traded today improves us in the long run - and any marginal short gain would have been tempered by the loss of youth, which, as ugly as it is right now, is the best thing we have going.
It's time to let the kids grow together, as ugly as it looks right now.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
sorry dude, i thought i quoted the OP. not meant to pick your post LOL
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
SVG came out today and said either Arenas or J Rich will come off the bench, and there is no way Nelson is going to the bench. Take it for what is worth. Sounds like Nelson is there pg for the forseeable future. Don't disagree with your premise though.
beb0p
Starter
As I've said, we need patience, not another quick fix. No way in hell GP is trading our youth and capspace away for those guys.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
How do you define soon? No trade will turn this team into a playoff caliber team this year, and if we're not careful, it it can kill our flexibility next summer.
We will have more room under the cap, hard or soft, then just about any other team. Petrie has set us up perfectly to make a big splash, and multiple acquisitions next summer. Is that too long for you to wait? Are you willing to give up on that scenario to win 10 more games this year, but less down the road?
If your not careful, you can make the same mistakes Detroit made recently. Had a lot of money to spend, and blew it on Vilanueva and Gordon, and killed any future flexibility(just remembered Prince is expiring). They made moves just to make moves. None of their signings have had any positive effect.
Right now our young core is starting to gel, not consistently playing better, but there has been improvement over the past few weeks. They are pushing Landry and Dally to the side. Guess what, if we don't want either, that free's up over 16M next summer, in addition to all the room we have under the cap right now. The 2011 FA class is much deeper than the 2010 was. We are set up perfectly. It's just a question of can you stomach whatever happens between now and then.
Just like any business plan, it takes time and patience. Get greedy, and you can screw yourself. Sometimes I think the video games hurt the judgement of younger fans, because they act like the NBA really works like NBA 2K11, or whatever it's called, and that in real life you can wheel and deal just like in a video game. Whereas if you have been a long time fan on the league, or look at how rebuilds have been done throughout the history of the NBA, this is how it's done. We aren't the exception here, more the norm. And Petrie has set us up better than most going into the offseason.
We must have a lot of young, new fans here, who weren't Kings fans in the mid 90's. Everyone who was a fan then remembers everything leading up to the lockout summer of 98, and then the steady progresson from that point on. Or does anyone remember how bad Por, OKC, Utah, Chi, Bos were in recent years while rebuilding, before they turned around.
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Actually, since we are so far below the cap, we don't really have to worry about matching salaries, so we can even try to get Nelson for Landry. I think it would be better for both teams - Orlando already has the best rebounder/shotblocker in the league and they don't really need Dallembert, and Landry could be an interesting addition for them if he comes off the bench like he did in Houston. For us it's also better because Dalembert is much more useful for us than Landry at this point.
Great example. Detroit simply destroyed their own chances of being relevant in the next not-so-few years by throwing all that money on Villanueva and Gordon. That was such a stupid move.
BTW, remember when PW said they are a playoff team after they kicked our *** in Arco?...
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I would say the Bucks also made the same mistake. Bogut/Jennings is a solid combo. Illyasova is a promising young talent. They made the playoffs, and then went after Magette's horrible deal, and signed Gooden and Salmons to a rediculous contracts, killing their future flexibility as well. Patience would have served them better than rushing into the mistakes they did.
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RookieOfTheDay
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But what's the alternative? Sitting on the money and waiting for the perfect thing to come along? What if it doesn't come along, then what? At some point, you have to spend on the best you can get at the time and hope for the best.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I hope we hung up when they called offering Arenas.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Spending it on Corey Maggette, John Salmons, and Drew Gooden is not spending it the best you can. Its throwing money at a bunch of career long malcontents and journeymen and pinning yourselves with the results. I wouldn't switch our situation with theirs for all the tea in China. We have a clear path upward, theirs is a complete muddle now.
We migth be players as the trade dealine approaches, but we don't have to be. We are in the driver's seat despite our record. We have the one great univversally applicable trade asset -- cap room -- and can listen to offers from teams wanting to use it. If something good comes up, cool. If not, then we are set up to go into this summer wiht the closest thing you are gong to get to a clean slate in the NBA. We'll have Tyreke and Cousins, we can keep anybody else who impresses beteen then and now, and otheriwse we get to build things almost from the ground up, and have the money to afford the pieces we qant to complete the puzzle. Everyone alays talks LeBron and Bosh etc. etc. when they talk free agents, but that's for the tourists. That happens to a franchise once every 20 years. Real free agents are support personnel. Third guns, defensive roleplayers, saavy vets. If we do nothing, if we stand pat, we are almost in a positon to corner those markets this summer...if there is a this summer (the looming lockout threatens to make things complicated). Any GM would kill to have those assets and that freedom.
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RookieOfTheDay
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When you're a bad team in a small market that no one wants to come to, perhaps it is. I'd like to see you offer some specifics as to what types of players you'd hold out for. I see you shooting down lots of ideas (though it's not just you, to be fair) but I never see you offer any specific ideas about what The Kings should spend their money on.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
At some point yes. But we're talking 1 year. The 2011 FA class is much deeper, plus the CBA is expiring and will be changed, possibly dramatically. Not only did they throw large contracts at Salmons and Gooden, and take on Magette's large contract, but those contracts will look even worse than they do now under the future CBA.
They spent over 70M on an aging Gooden/Salmons duo, took on Magette's 10M, and have a worse record. If you spend, spend wisely, especially given the situation this summer. I don't think they did that it will only become more apparent over the next few years.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Well to be fair, hasn't Redd been out all year and I believe Bogut is out now too?
I'm not Brick, but I've been known as a down shooter of ideas. Maybe the answer is no one. There is no one I'd throw money at right now. The new CBA is the big reason why. It's like buying a tv a week before black Friday. It's asking for a marshmallow now, when you can have two tomorrow.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
We already did a trade, remember? It's for a scrub that won't see the light of day and if he does he won't see much of it. I sure hope to god one of Beno, Dalembert, Garcia & Landry are gone by the deadline. Orlando is clearly looking for a back up big and a Dalembert trade wouldn't be out of the question.
RookieOfTheDay
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No. It's like buying a TV the week before a sale that some people think might go down but no one really knows for certain.
But I didn't ask who'd you'd throw money at now. I asked who you'd hold out for.
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