now all we need is some shooters....

There's a similar thread over in the Personnel section (where i will probably move this) about needing a vet, and I wil say the same thing here as there -- we have no minutes for just another guy, a Morrow or whoever. Think about this:

SF - Casspi 20+
SF - Donte 20+
SG - Cisco 20+
PG - Reke 36 +
PG - Beno 20+

And I'm being very conservative with those "20+"s. fact is we already have 5 rotation players at the 1/2/3, and 4 of them are pretty good shooters. I do think we add a veteran who can shoot to the pack, but its as much for leadership as actual shooting, because there just aren't minutes for anybody not clearly better/with more stature than those guys.


I agree with everyone you say, except for Cisco. With Cisco you need a huge * right next to his name indicating that those minutes are applicable if he is in fact healthy. I'm on the Morrow bandwagon myself. The guy can fill it up.
 
There's a similar thread over in the Personnel section (where i will probably move this) about needing a vet, and I wil say the same thing here as there -- we have no minutes for just another guy, a Morrow or whoever. Think about this:

SF - Casspi 20+
SF - Donte 20+
SG - Cisco 20+
PG - Reke 36 +
PG - Beno 20+

And I'm being very conservative with those "20+"s. fact is we already have 5 rotation players at the 1/2/3, and 4 of them are pretty good shooters. I do think we add a veteran who can shoot to the pack, but its as much for leadership as actual shooting, because there just aren't minutes for anybody not clearly better/with more stature than those guys.

Good point - fact is that with 6 bigs (assuming we re-sign Brockman as what I would consider an ideal 12th man), all 96 minutes at the 4/5 are accounted for, with no rotation minutes for Brock and Whiteside. That leaves 144 minutes to distribute amongst the 1/2/3 positions. I'd love to think that between Donte and Omri have the SF position locked down, leaving a 3-man rotation of Reke, Cisco, and Beno in the backcourt. I think that what we should be looking for is not someone who would crack the rotation, but a role player for situational settings, injury fill-in, etc. A shooter would be great, but we I think a ball-handler would be even more important. I wouldn't be upset to see Ime and Sergio back, even if they don't crack the rotation.
 
My feeling is the 20-24 minutes for SF should be a battle between Casspi and Greene. The other 20-24 minutes should go to a free agent like Mike Miller. This team needs a consistent vet that can be a three point threat.

I seriously think the Kings could challenge the 8th spot for most of the season, obviously not making it, but competing for it if they add a vet shooter. If they don't go with a vet, then yeah, let Casspi and Greene do their thing.

This team also needs an athletic 2/3 slasher eventually.
 
My feeling is the 20-24 minutes for SF should be a battle between Casspi and Greene. The other 20-24 minutes should go to a free agent like Mike Miller. This team needs a consistent vet that can be a three point threat.

I seriously think the Kings could challenge the 8th spot for most of the season, obviously not making it, but competing for it if they add a vet shooter. If they don't go with a vet, then yeah, let Casspi and Greene do their thing.

This team also needs an athletic 2/3 slasher eventually.
I think the opposite. The team is in great shape to develop. They don't need to spend their money. They can save a lot of money by not adding a big free agent because in reality, it won't make that much difference if they have somebody or not. It takes 50 wins to get in the playoffs out west, and that's not happening next season, even if they have a Mike Miller, or Salmons, or Ray Allen.

So, they can afford to play Casspi and Donte a LOT at the swing positions, and that will help both develop. Both have shown at times to be great outside shooters, and Donte especially has a lot of potential. I don't think the Kings are in the position to forgo youth development in favor of patching in a veteran. This isn't the time to ignore Hedo and Wallace in favor of a Peeler or Jackson. We need to play and develop our guys on the way up.
 
I hear you Showtime, but the Kings will eventually have to choose between one or the other to be their starter and play the majority of minutes. I don't think either guy wants to platoon, at least we know that about Casspi.

But yeah, hopefully them both blossom this season.
 
Morris Almond would be an awesome summerleague/training camp invite if you need an outside shooter/scorer.

Always liked that guy and I'm surprised he hasn't stuck on a roster yet.
 
All I can say is that there are much worse problems to have than wondering how you'll find minutes for all your players to play.

One thing about Cisco/Casspi/Greene - as much as we love all of them, none of them have shown they're anything but mediocre players at this point. I'm guessing that what Petrie and the gang are hoping is that one of them steps up and seizes the SF position, shoots the lights out, and becomes something more than a mediocre player.

Honestly - the kings will have a ton of cap space next summer and after seeing how the current crew meshes and how the current crop matures, I could see them pursuing a strong shooting SF.
 
If we go to a cheaper solution. Resigning Udoka and keeping Cisco are actually fine at the 2.
Especially if Udoka regains that 3 pt. shot which faded as the season ended.
Cisco used to lead this team in 3pt. percentage and he was a pesky defender amidst several boneheaded plays.

Let's see how the summer goes. We still have $15M-$20M to spend either for a legit star or a solid starter. But I would be fine even if we only sign Udoka. He is cheap and above average defender.

Kings roster:

C - Dalembert/Cousins/Whiteside
PF - Thompson/Landry/Brockman
SF - Casspi/Greene
SG- Garcia/Udoka
PG- Evans/Udrih

That's a 12 man line-up. So we may see another wing player being signed. to make it a 13 man roster.

We know what Udoka can do. I wasn't impressed with his game. If we wanted a player that's got some upside might as well try to test out Antonio Anderson in the summer league and see what he gives us. He's a defensive SG, who needs to improve his 3pt shot as well. He does have the range but it's not consistent. Anderson in my opinion is better than Udoka. He is a great passer and had a great two man game with Evans in Memphis. I see no reason why that two man game couldn't carry over into the NBA as well if they worked at it.
 
Ah hyes, Ime. Westphal likes him, and his defensive roleplayer/mature vet/hardworker vibe really wouldn't be a bad fit at all. Could have huim as 2/3 insurance without worrying too much about him interfereing with Casspi/Greene's development.

I'm still concerned about Reke's request for some extra vetran leadership though -- Ime as here last year, so he can't count as extra. And we really would need a 3rd PG as well -- we are basically two players short of the 13 min, and they should both be little guys. Maybe if LeBron leaves the Cavs would be willing to se.d us Boobie Gibson to team with Boogie Cousins. :p
 
Luke Ridnour is a veteran PG who can be the 3rd PG and come cheap. I don't know if the bucks want to keep him though.
 
Luke Ridnour is a veteran PG who can be the 3rd PG and come cheap. I don't know if the bucks want to keep him though.

Probably too used to getting real minutes to be willig to play scrub though.

But who knows. I actually don't think its that terribly important a position for us, so a fair number of peeps could do. If we decide to burn some depth or cap money to pick up a major player, then yeah, that obviously matters. But otherwise, the minutes are all used up, so the last couple of roster spots are just going to be b enchers/injury insurance anyway.
 
I like Foye, not so much Iggy though. I've always thought in the right backcourt Foye could do some damage wouldn't be mad at all if he got looked at seriously this summer.
 
I'm not so sure we need to bring in a pure shooter at this point.

Donte and Omri have the potential to be lethal. Garcia and Beno can hold there own as well..

Their jobs just got a whole lot easier after draft night, and I feel they deserve to reap the benefits of it actually being a fair fight now. No more of this 4 on 5 ****.

TBH, I'd much rather us get a defensive minded guard or small forward than another shooter to come off the bench.
 
With Reke, garcia and donte starting and beno and omri coming off the bench, i think the kings should try to get a player who can play the sg and sf position just incase any of our top 5 guys get hurt. I think reke and donte and omri will improve their shooting and game to earn most of the minutes.
 
I could live with either Morrow or Redick. Both good shooters and both are young. I think Morrow might be the easier of the two to aquire and maybe the cheaper of the two. I also was hoping that we would invite Jerome Randle to play in our summer league games, but apparently he's committed to another team. Randle is a deadly outside shooter who could also play backup Pt.
I agree that Morrow or Redick would be nice to have, but I can't believe nobody else is giving any love to Jerome Randle. He might be short (5'9-5'10) But he is quick and he puts up 25'-28' foot shots in the blink of an eye and makes a good percent of them. I think he would be a good fit as an instant offense kind of player for the Kings.
 
I'm not so sure we need to bring in a pure shooter at this point.

Donte and Omri have the potential to be lethal. Garcia and Beno can hold there own as well..

Their jobs just got a whole lot easier after draft night, and I feel they deserve to reap the benefits of it actually being a fair fight now. No more of this 4 on 5 ****.

TBH, I'd much rather us get a defensive minded guard or small forward than another shooter to come off the bench.

I'm kind of leaning towards this as well. Cisco and Beno can shoot. Greene and Omri were pretty inconsistant, but hopefully we'll see some improvement from them. If we get a guard he's pretty much going to be injury insurance/bench. We have such a frontcourt logjam now, we can probably trade one of our bigs for a small (yes, I know you're generally not supposed to do that) midseason if we need to.
 
Im not so sure we actually NEED anybody else in the backcourt right now. Its Garcia/Udoka at shooting guard and Evans/Beno at point. A fair amount of the time it will be the two point guards on the floor at the same time. Both of the shooting guards defend and shoot. Im not sure why Udoka doesnt get any credit. He defends and makes open shots while coming off the bench. Add to all this that there really isnt anyone in free agency that id be willing to pay for to add to what we already have right now. It just wouldnt be worth it.
 
Im not so sure we actually NEED anybody else in the backcourt right now. Its Garcia/Udoka at shooting guard and Evans/Beno at point. A fair amount of the time it will be the two point guards on the floor at the same time. Both of the shooting guards defend and shoot. Im not sure why Udoka doesnt get any credit. He defends and makes open shots while coming off the bench. Add to all this that there really isnt anyone in free agency that id be willing to pay for to add to what we already have right now. It just wouldnt be worth it.

Udoka shot 37% from the floor and 28% from 3 last season. He's hardly a good shooter off the bench. And his defense, while physical, is not acceptable against smaller, quicker guards. That basically means we have one guy really capable of guarding those types of players and he's our star on offense. Not a good situation. With the injury issues Garcia and Beno have had in the past, do we really want to go into next season with just 3 guys that can really play in the backcourt?
 
We really do need some shooters...

When I look at our roster. I see a lot of potential shooters.

Omri Casspi could be a fine shooter if he has increased his stamina and cut back on his National Obligations. I can't see this season being the media circus it was last season everywhere he went. At some point, those nice Jewish people need to let him PLAY BALL! I think if his conditioning is done right, Omri might just be one of the shooters we need!

Garcia has always been somewhat of an enigma. Sometimes he is a great shooter, but more often than not he is hurt on the bench. Maybe it would be a good time to trade Cisco and see what we can get back in trade. Maybe a young point guard who has the potential to be a good outside scorer? Who knows.

Donte Green can be a good shooter when he is on. He is a VERY Streaky shooter. He needs to play within himself because often he gets a little wild with his game. At 6'11" he should be going for rebounds and scoring more inside. Sometimes he tries too hard and it causes the offense to stagnate. I think Greene would be better as a guy who comes off the bench to give us some scoring punch in the second unit. He could be a 6th man candidate if he would embrace that role.

Beno has proven he can shoot, but he is not what you would call a consistent 3 point shooter. He has a great short to medium range game. He is a Tasmanian Devil in the paint as Jerry Reynolds always says. But as for a deep shooter, he is not as consistent as you would like. His strength is in his PG skills and his ability to set others up as well as score driving to the hoop.

With the new bigs we have, there is will eventually be more need for deep shooters. I could see Petrie getting a Midlevel exception priced PG or SG to help with the outside scoring. A Pointguard would be great as it would allow Tyreke to move more freely without the ball and give him more opportunities to score. Also he could share the point with another scorer and that would give defenses a different look. That is why Beno and Evans looked good at times last season. But a better outside shooter would be better for Evans as he likes to slash and dish, and you really want a 3 point range shooter for Tyreke to kick it out to. Petrie should be looking for a player who can play some point but shoots a high average from beyond the arc.

I've heard Anthony Morrow's name mentioned, but he is a restricted FA. I think that would be a great pickup in Petrie's price range it Petrie can swing a trade. Nate Robinson would be a change of pace PG, but he seems to have locker room problems wherever he goes and is somewhat of a defensive liability. Luther Head from the Pacers is a very good outside shooter, but he is strictly a SG. Still he is relatively young and given open outside shots, he would bury a lot of them. Steve Blake from the Clippers is available. Another good Veteran outside shooter with PG skills. Same goes for Rafer Alston. Good veteran shooter and point guard. Other good possibilities are Luke Ridnour, Chris Duhon, Eddie House, Keith Bogans, Randy Foye, are all unrestricted free agent shooters. There is no shortage of guards who can shoot the ball that are available.

To me, J.J. Redick or Mike Miller would be a perfect fit, but probably beyond Petrie's price range, unless Petrie could come up with a sign and trade option. They are unrestricted but their services are in high demand.

Hopefully the Maloofs have given Petrie the green light to pick up a midlevel exception range shooter or 2 to help the Kings this season. Although we may have some shooters on the roster, the Kings could use a bit more long range shooting. Especially if there are any injuries to Garcia again or Beno. It is much easier to fill in a need in the back court than the front court. Go Kings!
 
To me, J.J. Redick or Mike Miller would be a perfect fit, but probably beyond Petrie's price range, unless Petrie could come up with a sign and trade option. They are unrestricted but their services are in high demand.

There's no way that either Redick or Miller get a big enough deal that we would have to go to sign-and-trade territory. We've got $14M or so in cap space, we would want to sign one of these guys maximum, and $7-8M would probably be the very high end for Miller, Redick I don't think can command that much (maybe $5M). If the market goes any higher than that, forget about it, and let the teams that sign them deal with the consequences when the new CBA comes out.
 
Shane battier would be the perfect fit. He can defend shoot and post up smaller guards. Unfortunately he's not a free agent until 2011.
 
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