Not sure if im late, but why is Quincy Douby inactive?
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Muss will not play rookies. Douby is first first-round pick in my memory to not play at all at start of season. Plus, he isn't even dressing. this is beyond ridiculous. For example, he could of played at end of Milw game when Muss put in the scrubs.
Muss will not play rookies. Douby is first first-round pick in my memory to not play at all at start of season. Plus, he isn't even dressing. this is beyond ridiculous. For example, he could of played at end of Milw game when Muss put in the scrubs.
How many players can you dress? Is this the same # for home or away games? I hope we activated Pot now that we do need the size off the bench behind SAR.
Here you go:
This is from the premiere source of information about the collective bargaining agreement:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#64
Jechtsphere
Starter
When we are in games and trying to pull it out, it makes no sense to put a rookie in at the is point, maybe early on in the game, right now the team needs to focus on chemisty with the guys who are going to be playing regulary.
nbrans
All-Star
We all need to be patient with Douby. Rutgers wasn't exactly on the Western Carolina level of basketball Siberia, but he's still someone who picked up the game late and there's a big transition from Rutgers to the NBA. At the same time, I really liked what I saw in the preseason in the few minutes I saw Douby play. He is able to set up his own shot very well and get separation on his man, he looked better-than-advertised on defense, and his long arms make him play taller than he is. As I said in another thread it's way way too early to start drawing conclusions on how good or bad he's going to be. It's going to take time.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Remains a man without a position, which combined with his rookiehood makes him vulnerable to being left off the roster. Figure we've got two big guards who can handle (Salmons/Garcia), a little tweener (Price), and a pure backup PG (Hart). Doesn;t leave much room for yet another little tweener. Price's emergence left Quincy the odd man out for the time being. To make the roster think he would either have to outperform Price as a little tweener, or Hart as a true PG.
Not sure about the long term yet. Douby is just a basketball player. He's not built to be an NBA player, has no position. So he's probably not going to be able to just naturally slide into a backup role at any one position. So he's going to have to make it just as a "player". Just on pure talent. I still think he might be able to do that at some level, but 1/2 tweeners are kind of an ick position and even the pretty good ones struggle to establish steady roles.
Not sure about the long term yet. Douby is just a basketball player. He's not built to be an NBA player, has no position. So he's probably not going to be able to just naturally slide into a backup role at any one position. So he's going to have to make it just as a "player". Just on pure talent. I still think he might be able to do that at some level, but 1/2 tweeners are kind of an ick position and even the pretty good ones struggle to establish steady roles.
nbrans
All-Star
I agree with most of what you're saying, but the combo 1/2 under 6'4" has been pretty fertile ground in the NBA lately. Not just the stars (Wade, Gordon, Arenas and patron saint Allen Iverson) but some promising young guys as well (Foye, Jack, Head, Tony Allen, Lowry, Roberson, Monta Ellis etc. etc.)
I think you're right that unless these guys are stars they struggle to find a position in the starting lineup, but a combo 1/2 off the bench in the Bobby Jackson mode is a great thing to have.
And if Douby had Arenas or Gordon talent, or were on a go-nowhere team like any of those second group of guys, then he might be able to get minutes. And we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But he doesn't, and he's not, so he can't. And we are.
nbrans
All-Star
It's too early to know whether Douby has Arenas or Gordon talent -- the odds are probably against it, but if Kevin Martin shows anything it's not to prejudge the cieling of 22 year old works-in-progress.
Although I agree that he'd have a better shot at minutes on a bad team.
LA King Fan II
Bench
Our stockpiling of tweener-type guards is a little like owning Baltic and Mediterranean in the game of Monopoly. Nice affordable purple properties but not big on returns.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Aside from Foye that second group isn't promising, its problematic. Actually illustrating my point -- random undersized guys without a position, who will likely never be able to really nail downa long term role wiht anybody, and who will bounce around and then disappear. That's the fate of 99% of tweener guards.
We'll ignore Wade (a well built OG) and Arenas (can really play the PG). Douby is more like an Iverson (but A.I. can really play the PG too when motivated and of course is >>>>> Douby) or Gordon. Of course I consider Gordon himself highly problematic for the Bulls -- they don't know quite what to do with him. Nobody does with tweener guards. They don't fit, can't do the things you need them to do, and are a constant threat to be taken advanatage of on the other end. If they can't, like a Bobby or Arenas, develop sufficient PG skills to hide them over at a position along with guys of their same size and build, their lives as OGs are often nasty, brutish and short.
nbrans
All-Star
I know it's early, but Monta Ellis is averaging 16 points off the bench for the Warriors, Jack is averaging 12 as a starter for the Blazers, Head is averaging 7.5 off the bench for the Rockets (including a 17 point performance against the Mavs). These aren't guys struggling with their roles, they're solid contributors showing a lot of promise. They're not in danger of bouncing out.
And unlike teams like the Bulls, who admittedly struggle at times with Gordon's role, the Kings are actually perfectly built to accommodate a tweener 1/2 because of all the tall ballhandlers. Salmons, Garcia and Artest can all handle the ball, opening up the potential for, say, a Douby/Salmons backcourt that could leave the ballhandling to Salmons and play Douby as a shooting guard on offense (but Salmons guards the 2 on defense). Sort of like what the Sixers did with Eric Snow and Iverson back in the day. Even without Salmons, though, Douby has the handle to get the ball up the floor and initiate the offense through Artest or Miller.
So where some teams would struggle with a 1/2 I actually think Douby has the potential to thrive with the other Kings players, just as players like him are doing well with other teams.
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But, as I previously stated, all of those guys are on non-competitive teams, unlike Douby. Except for Houston, which is competitive, but has no depth whatsoever at PG.
Put Monta Ellis on the Kings instead of Douby, and he doesn't play, either.
nbrans
All-Star
But wait, didn't all the "experts" say the Warriors are going to make the playoffs? I mean, personally I think they still suck but don't they at least count as a competitive team?
I agree with you that with the current players the Kings have that someone like Ellis probably wouldn't play much either, but I don't agree that a combo guard can't play for a good team. It's not like the combo guards I listed are the only ones. You have Barbosa on the Suns, Bell on the Bucks... they're everywhere.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You have noted who coaches the Warriors right?
But actually that's not entirely true -- not even Nellie likes combo guards as a rule. He's a small ball expert, but he likes playing OGs at SF and SFs at PF, not scrawny strignbeans at OG. His OGs are normally full grown -- Mitch and Sarunas and Spree and Finley.
And guys like Bell or Jack are PGs who basically never play OG anymore. That IS the route for a "combo guard" to make it -- learn to play the right position for your body, at least well enough to get minutes if not have impact. Not all can do it unfortunately. Alternately you can just be so very very good it doesn't matter. But you have to actually make the active roster before you can think about heading down that route.
Since when do *I* give a spit about what the "experts" think? I can see with my own eyes that the Warriors stink.
Quincy8Douby
G-League
Was thinking the exact same thing... give the kid a chance.
thecandyman92
Prospect
Why dont we just assign quincy to a d-league team and get some confidence for a while.
He'd do better there then just riding the pine. He practices with us, but needs real game play.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Give him a chance? Geez, we are barely into the season. Price hardly played last year, Kevin the year before that. Give it some time.
I don't know about D league sometimes. If he stays with the Kings, he gets to be mentored by and practice with NBA-proven players, gets to learn Musselman's defensive and offensive systems, gets to work with the assistant coahes and the Kings conditioning coach. That seems like a lot of pluses to me for him compared to going to D league.
All comments about Douby so far seem positive from the team.
Possibly Hart may is active right now instead, because he is a true PG and Bibby is not 100% right now.
I don't know about D league sometimes. If he stays with the Kings, he gets to be mentored by and practice with NBA-proven players, gets to learn Musselman's defensive and offensive systems, gets to work with the assistant coahes and the Kings conditioning coach. That seems like a lot of pluses to me for him compared to going to D league.
All comments about Douby so far seem positive from the team.
Possibly Hart may is active right now instead, because he is a true PG and Bibby is not 100% right now.
Let's also not forget that Golden State's depth at point guard consisted precisely of Gilbert Arenas and Earl Boykins. So, unless your plan is to make Arenas play forty-eight minutes, why wouldn't he play Boykins.
As poor as our PG rotation is, Douby still hasn't managed to supplant either Price or Hart. That tells me all I need to know about whether or not Douby needs to be given more minutes.
Ask Quincy Douby or any other guy where they'd rather be... sitting on the bench with an NBA team or in the D League. I can pretty much guarantee the response would be the same from virtually each and every one of them. They would much rather be with the NBA team, practicing with the big guys and learning the plays than in the developmental league.
Quincy8Douby
G-League
No, but the kings could at least put him in the dl for a bit... I mean he would still be on the kings roster and all, but just to see him play a bit. I mean martell webster was put in the dl last year... same with guys like dorell wright. Not like it can hurt them... I just wanna see him play.
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