No Expectations of Playoffs Next Year, Good Thing?

[TheJoker]

Sure it does, because a young team needs to still develop. you can't give a coach a chance when hes gonna coach a ball-club that is not expected to win more then 30 games. quite honestly why i bought up 3 years from now is simple by then guys like Douby/KMart/Garcia and our lottery pick will be more ready by then. Bibby/Artest/Miller is not in our long-term plans.
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[VF21]

Sure it does, because a young team needs to still develop. you can't give a coach a chance when hes gonna coach a ball-club that is not expected to win more then 30 games. quite honestly why i bought up 3 years from now is simple by then guys like Douby/KMart/Garcia and our lottery pick will be more ready by then. Bibby/Artest/Miller is not in our long-term plans.
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Wow. Just wow...

 

[BMiller52]

Sure it does, because a young team needs to still develop. you can't give a coach a chance when hes gonna coach a ball-club that is not expected to win more then 30 games. quite honestly why i bought up 3 years from now is simple by then guys like Douby/KMart/Garcia and our lottery pick will be more ready by then. Bibby/Artest/Miller is not in our long-term plans.​

What the heck? Dude, it's called taking the pressure away and giving him a chance to learn the ropes of the NBA in his 1st year.

 

[TheJoker]

Which is good. thats why I'm gonna be patient with Theus cause i would have no choice. we need the young players to develop well especially our lottery pick this year.
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[uptempo-kings]

Yes, it is a very good thing! Hopefully it means that the Kings management see that this team just doesn't mesh well together and no amount of tinkering and re-tooling can fix it. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt, hopefully with youth.

so in other words we're going to suck 4 many years to come, darn it, it that the truth, I should of seen the signs when we traded C-Webb for who again???

 

[slugking50]

As things look now, It doesnt look like there will be many moves done this year.


I wouldn't be shocked if we get to 500 this year. Not sure if thats a good thing though.

 

[TheJoker]

I would like if we traded either Miller, Bibby or Artest. we have no need for them.

i would be really upset if their not being shopped around for cap relief and picks. if there all back next year then the young players would not develop in a fast pace with less minutes.
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[Bricklayer]

I wouldn't be shocked if we get to 500 this year. Not sure if thats a good thing though.

Oh, I'm quite bleeping sure whether that's a good thing.

Just posted an article where Joe Maloof was talking about bringing back Mike and Ron again. I've often wondered what happened when you had only a pea brain to start with, and then you tilted your head too far one way or the other.

 

[uptempo-kings]

Oh, I'm quite bleeping sure whether that's a good thing.

Just posted an article where Joe Maloof was talking about bringing back Mike and Ron again. I've often wondered what happened when you had only a pea brain to start with, and then you tilted your head too far one way or the other.

lol!

 

[Warhawk]

Sure it does, because a young team needs to still develop. you can't give a coach a chance when hes gonna coach a ball-club that is not expected to win more then 30 games. quite honestly why i bought up 3 years from now is simple by then guys like Douby/KMart/Garcia and our lottery pick will be more ready by then. Bibby/Artest/Miller is not in our long-term plans.​

Again, it doesn't make sense.

If you are giving him a chance for 3 years (whatever you mean by that), it also implies that you are giving him a chance the first year. You can't not give him a chance the first year and expect him to get to the third. I just don't get what point you might be trying to make.

Of course the young guys need time to develop. Hence the reason the Maloofs have finally mentioned maybe not making the PO this year and actually, gasp, being aggressive in the offseason.

So, exactly now, what point were you trying to make? Because you haven't made it yet....

 

[Warhawk]

Which is good. thats why I'm gonna be patient with Theus cause i would have no choice. we need the young players to develop well especially our lottery pick this year.​

I'm sure that's a relief to Reggie!

 

[tyrant]

i disagree. tell me one sucessful team that has rebuild through the draft? none of you can name 1. i refuse to watch this team suck for the 3rd year in a row. make a few moves and get this team back into the playoffs.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i disagree. tell me one sucessful team that has rebuild through the draft? none of you can name 1. i refuse to watch this team suck for the 3rd year in a row. make a few moves and get this team back into the playoffs.

tell me what few moves you would make to get back into the playoffs.

 

[tyrant]

tell me what few moves you would make to get back into the playoffs.

well for starters i would ship out kevin martin. i love the kid, but lets face it. he and ron artest are the only two that's worth anything at this point.

i would ship martin, miller and thomas. send them to indiana (or whatever 3 team deal we could get for jermaine oneal).

salmons for matt barnes

with our 10th selection draft al thornton

bibby/2nd round pick/price
thornton/barnes/garcia/douby
artest/garcia
oneal/sar/corliss
williams/oneal/sar/pot

there it is

hope williams will be in summer league this year. the man can play. and with reggie, im sure he will get more minutes.

 

[Kingster]

They aren't rebuilding. they are building the franchise is only 4 or 5 years old. Portland however is rebuilding and looks to be doing a nice job of it. But does rebuilding really mean just suck real bad for 4 or 5 years therefore getting 4 or 5 studs in the drafts? Cleveland rebuilt in 1 draft.

As for how long it takes - it takes however long it's going to take. If you don't win one game against the Clips, you might have a rebuilding process of a year. It's better to absolutely suck for a 2-3 years and get some draft studs than get some mediocre vets in FA where you'll be stuck in the middle forever - basketball purgatory.

 

[Bricklayer]

i disagree. tell me one sucessful team that has rebuild through the draft? none of you can name 1. i refuse to watch this team suck for the 3rd year in a row. make a few moves and get this team back into the playoffs.

None of us can name 1??

There is not a single ONE of them that hasn't found huge chunks of its squad through the draft. And if you get lucky enough or smart enough to nab your stud quickly, maybe you can do it in one or two. If you are unlucky enough or dumb enough to keep missing, then you are likely in for a long stay. Now its our turn again.

 

[Gary]

I would like if we traded either Miller, Bibby or Artest. we have no need for them.​

i would be really upset if their not being shopped around for cap relief and picks. if there all back next year then the young players would not develop in a fast pace with less minutes.​

We can't shop all three. That is not an option.. If I had a choice to keep one of them it would be Bibby. Who better han a veteran point guard who has had experience in winning teaching the young guys, and getting them involved.

If we had to keep two players I would have to say Miller would have to be the other (with Bibby). Big men are hard to come by, and Miller still has gas in the tank. Whether it's a limited role or whatever Miller has experience in winning as well, and is pretty dang good at getting others involved when he wants to.

If we had to keep all three... Well, I would be dissapointed. Artest doesn't make anyone around him better. Artest's idea of helping a team is to try to take on the scoring load all himself rather than get others involved. That's the "anti" King's basketball we have seen in the last few years.

So yah, Artest is the one that has to go.

 

[Rockmeister]

I listened to the Grant and Mike show last night and Grant said he thinks Ron Artest won't be on the Kings team before the season starts.

 

[Gary]

i disagree. tell me one sucessful team that has rebuild through the draft? none of you can name 1. i refuse to watch this team suck for the 3rd year in a row. make a few moves and get this team back into the playoffs.

I will tell you of 3 teams that have won the most recent championships.. ALL OF THEM have built a major part through the draft.

Miami - Dwane Wade... w/o him they would not have won in 2006.

Los Angeles - the couple championships they won werent all on Shaq's shoulders. Kobe had a lot to do with it. If I remember right he WAS a draft pick traded from NO to LA..

San Antonio - Duncan? I am sure w/o Duncan the Spurs would have won those championships.

Detroit is the exception. They got Prince through the draft, but Hamilton was from Washington, and Wallace from Portland... But you get the meaning of what I am saying here..

 

[Gary]

I listened to the Grant and Mike show last night and Grant said he thinks Ron Artest won't be on the Kings team before the season starts.

Yah, I listen to them on the way home. Grant will be eating crow if Artest isn't out of here.. I think it's about 50-50.

 

[bloom]

As long as the rebuild looks good than I don't mind missing the playoffs. We need to have a vision, and that vision is to rebuild.

No matter if we're rebuilding or not. I'll still miss not watching my team in the playoffs. Not seeing the Kings play in the playoffs this year was a killer.

But hopefully we'll make some good moves this offseason.

 

[tyrant]

I will tell you of 3 teams that have won the most recent championships.. ALL OF THEM have built a major part through the draft.

Miami - Dwane Wade... w/o him they would not have won in 2006.

Los Angeles - the couple championships they won werent all on Shaq's shoulders. Kobe had a lot to do with it. If I remember right he WAS a draft pick traded from NO to LA..

San Antonio - Duncan? I am sure w/o Duncan the Spurs would have won those championships.

Detroit is the exception. They got Prince through the draft, but Hamilton was from Washington, and Wallace from Portland... But you get the meaning of what I am saying here..

wrong. when wade was drafted the heat got better, but they brought in shaq and pat riley became coach again. thats not rebuilding through the draft. duncan put the spurs over the top in 99, but that was 1 player that came in and made difference. they went from winning just 20 games in 98 to winning 37 in just 50 games the following year. you cant even mention detroit. every player on that team was a veteran. mention 1 championship team (within the last 2 mileniums) that has sucked for more than 2 years?

 

[tyrant]

the point is this, and its simple. bring in a quality player and make a good draft selection. im not saying i expect the kings to win the finals next year, but at least get into the playoffs and keep the loyalty of the fans. i couldnt look through the same pair of glasses as some of you that post on this board. because i would go blind. if some of you are ok with this team not making the playoffs next year then you dont like competitive basketball

 

[Pacboy]

wrong. when wade was drafted the heat got better, but they brought in shaq and pat riley became coach again. thats not rebuilding through the draft. duncan put the spurs over the top in 99, but that was 1 player that came in and made difference. they went from winning just 20 games in 98 to winning 37 in just 50 games the following year. you cant even mention detroit. every player on that team was a veteran. mention 1 championship team (within the last 2 mileniums) that has sucked for more than 2 years?

You're just being stuborn to prove a false point. Nobody said the ENTIRE team has to come from the draft, but the matter of the fact is that every team require a key component from the draft. Could Miami have won along with just Oneal? Take away Duncan and can the spur even makes the playoff? You want more team that rebuild through the draft? How about the Rockets in 94 and 95, they build the entire team around him. How about the Bulls with Michael Jordan?

 

[tyrant]

my argument is that this will be the 4th draft since we lost our franchise player. how many more "drafts" do we have to go through to find our go to guy. the possibility is not likely because we cant suck enough (and we suck!!) to get a top pic. we got #10. which isnt bad in this years loaded draft. make a good pic.

 

[PFFFT!!]

As long as we NEVER get the worse record of the season to get the highest chance of the #1 pick, Ill be fine. I don't know how many of those teams got screwed out of the #1, specially when the first pick was deemed an instant All Star by everyone.

 

[VF21]

As long as we NEVER get the worse record of the season to get the highest chance of the #1 pick, Ill be fine. I don't know how many of those teams got screwed out of the #1, specially when the first pick was deemed an instant All Star by everyone.

Amen to that.

I can still see the images of the bar in Boston where everyone was celebrating before the lottery drawing, convinced they were going to have the #2 pick, simply because of the odds.

Imagine watching your team suck like Memphis and Boston fans did, with the only consolation being a choice of Oden or Durant, only to see BOTH teams lose out to long-shots.

 

[uolj]

I can still see the images of the bar in Boston where everyone was celebrating before the lottery drawing, convinced they were going to have the #2 pick, simply because of the odds.

Which made me laugh, since the odds were against Boston getting either of the first two picks.

 

[Rain man]

wrong. when wade was drafted the heat got better, but they brought in shaq and pat riley became coach again. thats not rebuilding through the draft. duncan put the spurs over the top in 99, but that was 1 player that came in and made difference. they went from winning just 20 games in 98 to winning 37 in just 50 games the following year. you cant even mention detroit. every player on that team was a veteran. mention 1 championship team (within the last 2 mileniums) that has sucked for more than 2 years?

The Spurs ARE the PERFECT example of building through the draft, and filling the holes in around those guys. They got their stud Duncan via the draft. Then, when he made them too good to get lottery picks, they mined the later portions of the draft for their two otehr studs Manu and Parker. Their entire big 3 came from the draft.

Then, they filled in the gaps around them. Oberto was drafted, not sure where and when Bowen came from off the top of my head. Finley, Barry, Horry were added as role-playing veterans via free agency.

But they did the bulk of it through the draft. They didn't wildly overpay through free agency, or do it via trades, they used free agency to fill the holes left by their draft.

Think about it, for as much rumor as there always is regarding superstar trades, they rarely get traded and they rarely move via free agency. Kobe, Dirk, KG, Duncan, Wade, Lebron, Melo, Amare, Marion, Parker, and Yao are all still on the team that drafted them.

The only exceptions are AI (and the YEARS it took to trade him should illustrate my point), Shaq (who basically forced a trade), Nash and McGrady. The point is that teams usually draft their superstars and hang onto them. They rarely if ever move via free agency or trades...

 

[ParniValjak]

i disagree. tell me one sucessful team that has rebuild through the draft? none of you can name 1. i refuse to watch this team suck for the 3rd year in a row. make a few moves and get this team back into the playoffs.

Its a matter of rebuilding through the draft and clearing enough salary cap room in the process to get a quality FA or 2.

Suns have done a mighty job of rebuilding, Bulls, Cavs etc....

To rebuild you need to do 3 things, get picks early enough to give youreself a chance at elite talent, clear salary cap room, get youngsters through trades.

Good teams rebuild quickly. They suck for 2-3 years, pick up early picks to get elite young talent, trade their veterans for expiring contracts, picks and young talent.

"Rebuilding" though trades and late picks gets you nowhere. I think we have exprienced that enough.