New York going after Daly?
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Yeah, I don't fear the Knicks signing away Dalembert. Yes, they have a tremendous 1-2 punch in Anthony and Stoudamire, but that team did not make the playoffs this year, would not give him the offensive touches he got in Sacramento, can only offer him the MLE and Sammy has no strong ties to NYC.
If it's a money and fit issue (which I think it is) I think the Kings win hands down against every other team in the league and WILL resign him. On the other hand, if Dalembert were willing to sacrifice a bunch of cash for a shot at a ring then I'd worry about Miami. That's a team that could win it all this year and who will contend for the rest of the decade (barring major injuries) and plays in a city that I can see appealing to Dalembert.
But as I've said, I fully expect he AND Thornton to suit up for the Kings next season. Dalembert doesn't seem like a ring chaser to me. He seems like a guy that wants to start, get touches and get paid. The Kings offer him that. Besides, guys generally chase rings at the END of their careers. He could play four or five years with the Kings and still be a serviceable big that signs with a contender after that if he wants.
If it's a money and fit issue (which I think it is) I think the Kings win hands down against every other team in the league and WILL resign him. On the other hand, if Dalembert were willing to sacrifice a bunch of cash for a shot at a ring then I'd worry about Miami. That's a team that could win it all this year and who will contend for the rest of the decade (barring major injuries) and plays in a city that I can see appealing to Dalembert.
But as I've said, I fully expect he AND Thornton to suit up for the Kings next season. Dalembert doesn't seem like a ring chaser to me. He seems like a guy that wants to start, get touches and get paid. The Kings offer him that. Besides, guys generally chase rings at the END of their careers. He could play four or five years with the Kings and still be a serviceable big that signs with a contender after that if he wants.
Just to chime in, because we have the Lakers to play for years to come with their duo of Pau and Bynum, we need a pair like we have right now. As the Lakers get older, we get better and I want to make sure we can compete at all positions and don't want to concede the "big" position. I think if a person is going to tke a position that differes from what seems to be working, there should be more substantiation of the position - not that it's a requirement of course.
I don't understand the not a long term fit arguement. Dally isn't old, especially for a pf/c, and nothing he does is based on athleticism. He should be able to do the same things he's done for a decade for at least the next 5 years. A healthy Camby still has a big impact defensively, and he's 37 or 38. Mutumbo was very good defensively into his late 30's.
And as Cousins matures, and gets better, Dally's job becomes easier. Dally is a top priority to resign, no doubt about it. And so what if he falls off a little in 4 years. Cousins will still only be 24 at that point, still not in his prime, but probably a 2 or 3 time all star by that point, and a top 3 center in the league, if not the best. Notice how Dally's impacted the game more , and his numbers improved, during the final couple months after Cousins also improved over his 1st half play, as did their chemistry.
And as Cousins matures, and gets better, Dally's job becomes easier. Dally is a top priority to resign, no doubt about it. And so what if he falls off a little in 4 years. Cousins will still only be 24 at that point, still not in his prime, but probably a 2 or 3 time all star by that point, and a top 3 center in the league, if not the best. Notice how Dally's impacted the game more , and his numbers improved, during the final couple months after Cousins also improved over his 1st half play, as did their chemistry.
I would like Dally, but with the FA market this year we would have to end up overpaying him to keep him like other teams probably would do to grab him from us. Sure they can't pay as much but would we really want to overpay for Dally when we will have guys like Cousins, and Evans on consecutive years needing to be signed to big bucks? Not to mention Thorton.
If we don't put together a winning team in the next few years we may not have to worry about those big extensions to Reke and Cousins.
We can afford Daly/Thornton. Daly earned 12mil last year and we had the lowest salary in the league. Even ignoring the new CBA its very hard to imagine him earning that much this year., soi we should actually come out agead in the deal.
We can afford Daly/Thornton. Daly earned 12mil last year and we had the lowest salary in the league. Even ignoring the new CBA its very hard to imagine him earning that much this year., soi we should actually come out agead in the deal.
I get that NY cant out bid us. I'm just worried that should Dally get a good offer, Maloofs may be too cheap (or incapable) of matching, salary cap be damned.
Sure, they said they want to spend the bucks this summer... But they say a lot of things. The Kings are losing money, and the Maloofs arnt exactly rolling in it like they were ten years ago.
Also, Dally may just opt to go ring chasing and play for a cheaper contract. Kind of doubtful, he's turning 30 soon so this is probably going to be the last big contract of his career, but you never know.
I'm just going to remain pessimistic on the subject. That way I'm either not disappointed or pleasantly surprised, depending on the results of his FA this summer
Sure, they said they want to spend the bucks this summer... But they say a lot of things. The Kings are losing money, and the Maloofs arnt exactly rolling in it like they were ten years ago.
Also, Dally may just opt to go ring chasing and play for a cheaper contract. Kind of doubtful, he's turning 30 soon so this is probably going to be the last big contract of his career, but you never know.
I'm just going to remain pessimistic on the subject. That way I'm either not disappointed or pleasantly surprised, depending on the results of his FA this summer
So sign him to a front-loaded contract. Make it declining instead of increasing. Overpay for two years if necessary. There are ways to work around the upcoming contracts of our young players in the short term.
Also, re-signing Sam and Thornton should be top priority right now. Everything else comes second.
Also, re-signing Sam and Thornton should be top priority right now. Everything else comes second.
I bet all these naysayers about not overpaying for Dalembert were signing to the same tune when we signed Vlade as a FA. For big guys, more often than not you have to overpay and when you look at the market for those types of players, I am not convinced that we would be over-paying anyway.
The last thing this team needs is to go tight *** at this point. Dalembert is an integral part of out team being successful going forward so unless you can point me in a direction of another player that brings everything to the table that Dalembert does, then its a moot point.
And please don't mention guys like Marc Gasol, Perkins (and aren't Celtics regretting going tight *** there) et al because NONE of them can guard opposition's PFs
The last thing this team needs is to go tight *** at this point. Dalembert is an integral part of out team being successful going forward so unless you can point me in a direction of another player that brings everything to the table that Dalembert does, then its a moot point.
And please don't mention guys like Marc Gasol, Perkins (and aren't Celtics regretting going tight *** there) et al because NONE of them can guard opposition's PFs
I don't understand why any Kings fans WOULDN'T wanna re-sign Dalembert? He's a game-changing defensive presence, and he isn't a sitting duck on offense. He's exactly what this team has lacked since our contending days, and now you want to get rid of him when we're ~16Mill under the MINIMUM salary limit? I understand that we have Cousins and possibly Whiteside waiting in the wings, but who's to say they can't play together? Cousins isn't ready to take over the C position just yet anyway.
I like Chandler and Nene too, for the record. But Dalembert has played here, has fit in here, and likes it here. The other 2 would be risks in comparison.
I like Chandler and Nene too, for the record. But Dalembert has played here, has fit in here, and likes it here. The other 2 would be risks in comparison.
Dalembert is 30. If he signs a 3 year contract he will be 33, which means he would be near his end of productivity, if he hasn't already gotten there by then. There is a reason his contract finishes now, and it's to secure a big contract while he is producing at his tail peak. You figure 2 more years of what we see now, followed by a sharp decline in production. Big men break down. His agent knows this. He knows this. You are not getting him to sign a 3 year contract.
Basically, this is his last big contract, so he will push this out as far as he can get, which means 5 years. You can bet that any contender or pretender will be willing to give him a 5 year MLE. That means we will have to offer a 5 year at more than MLE. If MLE is 6, then you should be glad to get him at 5yr/40.
Basically, this is his last big contract, so he will push this out as far as he can get, which means 5 years. You can bet that any contender or pretender will be willing to give him a 5 year MLE. That means we will have to offer a 5 year at more than MLE. If MLE is 6, then you should be glad to get him at 5yr/40.
That is just pure speculation on your part!
Firstly, nothing in his game suggest that he is in the decline. His game is not built on athleticism so even if that starts giving way, he is still going to be productive. He has been exceptionally durable player in his entire career as he has hardly missed games due to injury.
He WILL get more than the MLE because he DESERVES more than the MLE and if cheap out on him we deserve to NEVER win anything in this league and we deserve to be perennial cellar dwellers. If you want to be good, if you want to be a winner you have to spend money on important players on the team and outside the big 2 (or potentially 3) Dalembert is THE most important to our success.
Firstly, nothing in his game suggest that he is in the decline. His game is not built on athleticism so even if that starts giving way, he is still going to be productive. He has been exceptionally durable player in his entire career as he has hardly missed games due to injury.
He WILL get more than the MLE because he DESERVES more than the MLE and if cheap out on him we deserve to NEVER win anything in this league and we deserve to be perennial cellar dwellers. If you want to be good, if you want to be a winner you have to spend money on important players on the team and outside the big 2 (or potentially 3) Dalembert is THE most important to our success.
I get that NY cant out bid us. I'm just worried that should Dally get a good offer, Maloofs may be too cheap (or incapable) of matching, salary cap be damned.
Sure, they said they want to spend the bucks this summer... But they say a lot of things. The Kings are losing money, and the Maloofs arnt exactly rolling in it like they were ten years ago.
Also, Dally may just opt to go ring chasing and play for a cheaper contract. Kind of doubtful, he's turning 30 soon so this is probably going to be the last big contract of his career, but you never know.
I'm just going to remain pessimistic on the subject. That way I'm either not disappointed or pleasantly surprised, depending on the results of his FA this summer
Sure, they said they want to spend the bucks this summer... But they say a lot of things. The Kings are losing money, and the Maloofs arnt exactly rolling in it like they were ten years ago.
Also, Dally may just opt to go ring chasing and play for a cheaper contract. Kind of doubtful, he's turning 30 soon so this is probably going to be the last big contract of his career, but you never know.
I'm just going to remain pessimistic on the subject. That way I'm either not disappointed or pleasantly surprised, depending on the results of his FA this summer
I wonder if the guys from the NBA will be looking over the shoulder of the Maloofs to see what they do with Dally and Thornton. It seems to me that any goodwill the Maloofs might want to gain for any future actions they might want to take, they can't show up to be liars about their willingmess and ability to pay for their own free agents plus the logical others this summer. The NBA may have a whole different attitude towards what is fair. If the Maloofs can't afford what is fair in the NBA's eyes, they may be encouraged to sell. All they need to do is resign Dally and Thornton and they have a team that will win. Add a free agent and the team is on a significant rise.
If they can't afford to do the simple thing of meeting the minimum NBA level of salaries and even get up close to the cap as most teams do, they may be encouraged to sell. The NBA doesn't want an ownership so poor it can't compete.
If they can't afford to do the simple thing of meeting the minimum NBA level of salaries and even get up close to the cap as most teams do, they may be encouraged to sell. The NBA doesn't want an ownership so poor it can't compete.
I'd do it if it came down to it. I'd offer a 3 yr front loaded $36M contract to him. He means too much, and will mean even more when our youngsters learn how to funnel/direct players towards him. Our guys aren't good enough defenders yet to where they can best utilize Dally's strengths on defense. He's also Cousins mentor on the team, and they appear to have a very good relationship. His presence there is valuable as well.
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Barring injuries, and Dalembert has been very durable over the years, big guys actually are often able to maintain productivity deeper than many smaller guys. Reason being that size/strength/length leaves you slower than quickness/hops do. I sincerely doubt there will even be 6 year contracts after this CBA, and if we're talking 4 or 5, there's really no reason to believe Dalembert won't be productive until within a year of its finish.
All young teams, when they start to turn that corner and make a move toward being legit, eventually need the experienced vet, especially the defensive minded experienced vet. You can see the stiffening effect getting guys like Allen and Batttier has had in Memphis, and in the last game in particular you could see the same effect that getting Perkins has had on OKC. Those guys aren't useful when you are at the nadir of your rebuild, and its chaos and kids. But when it comes time to win they are invaluable.
All young teams, when they start to turn that corner and make a move toward being legit, eventually need the experienced vet, especially the defensive minded experienced vet. You can see the stiffening effect getting guys like Allen and Batttier has had in Memphis, and in the last game in particular you could see the same effect that getting Perkins has had on OKC. Those guys aren't useful when you are at the nadir of your rebuild, and its chaos and kids. But when it comes time to win they are invaluable.
Actually, our ability to pay him more than the MLE allows us to offer a more lucrative, yet shorter-term deal. If the most he could get from a contender would be $30 million over 5 years, we could offer something like $35 million for four years, which gives him more potential earnings. Even if he's declining in four years, he's already made more than he would have under the MLE, and has the chance to get another deal. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Of course it's speculation... as opposed to what else in this thread?
I'm not knocking his durability. I'm just playing the years. As an NBA player, I do not want to try signing a contract at 34 (what can I get at 34? 2 year LLE? 2 year 8 mil?). I am also definitely in favor of signing him. Where did I say we shouldn't? I said if we can get him for 5 and 40 we should be glad. Did you misread my post?
I'm not knocking his durability. I'm just playing the years. As an NBA player, I do not want to try signing a contract at 34 (what can I get at 34? 2 year LLE? 2 year 8 mil?). I am also definitely in favor of signing him. Where did I say we shouldn't? I said if we can get him for 5 and 40 we should be glad. Did you misread my post?
Depends how set he is on championship chasing. Do you think 5 mil and one year shorter is enough to stay with a lottery team vs automatically being able to go to a top 3 contender who will allow you to play your 30 minutes as a starter? It's one thing to ride coattails (*cough* Malone), it's another to have a contender need you, fit you, start you, and want you to be integral in a championship. If I have one big contract left and no rings, I'm not sure that difference will do it. My guess (SPECULATION) is that you need 8-10mil/year, matching years on whatever MLE is thrown out to keep Dalembert here. If you look at the landscape of defensive bigs who are 30, it's about market value.