New Plan Could be Gamechanger for Sacramento Kings

Glenn said:
This conversaion is absurd and yes IMO!!! Words are important. Meaning is slanted by the media and us. The media is competitive and so are we. The media is no longer responsible to anything but raising its own ratings. A new standard has been set. We do the same thing. We want to be rated well with the other readers. I do! I want people to think "yeah, that Glenn is a good guy to read. He makes sense"

Can we talk about th Kings. I saw nothing about the "money in place" being debunked. I saw it nowhere. For all I know, this is chump change for a few developers in the area. No taxpayer money is in place. Yes. No bond issue has been passed. Yes. Could a bond issue be passed. Maybe. Could it be passed if every credible developer was on board. Probably. We know next to nothing but I know one thing for sure: the Maloofs have not signed on any dotted line and the Kings are in Sacramento. I personally start my arguments with that mind set and see how things can be changed.

A lot start from the point that the Kings have left.
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Right on. And Tyreke's playing tonight
 
I hope the point arrives that the Maloofs are part of the planning and not simply that a bunch of work is done by a lot of powerful people and the Maloofs give thumbs up or thumbs down. My hope about this was that the Maloofs were part of the trouble shooting process and I know it was not stated. That was my hope. My hope is also based on the idea that the city is not involved.
 
Glenn said:
Quite obviously this can't be true because no source is named.

Oh, Lord, take me now!
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Yeah, I always wondered who most of these sources actually are. Ball boys? Clean up crews? The rumor game seems to be a fun one for NBA websites. Much of their reporting from anonymous sources seems to be guesses as to what's going on.
 
Catalyst said:
Yeah, I always wondered who most of these sources actually are. Ball boys? Clean up crews? The rumor game seems to be a fun one for NBA websites. Much of their reporting from anonymous sources seems to be guesses as to what's going on.
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It used to be, in the ancient years of yore, that when a media type quoted an anonymous source, he/she did it as a last resort. But, the anonyous source was real. It could be proven if a gun was put to the person's head. I am absolutely digusted with what has happened to news reporting and I can point fingers and that is not acceptable on this forum. News reporters are no longer credible. The standards have been blown to hell. Everything is rumor as far as I am concerned. I chose to believe everything that indicates the Kings will stay but I know the person slinging the info is being paid and has an agenda more important to him/her than being an accurate reporter. Well not all. Carmichael Dave has supported the idea that is trying to be destroyed.

Why aren't we discussing his opinions?
 
I didn't say the proposal would need a joint powers authority. I have no idea what the plan is or who the supposed partners would be.

I was just pointing out that creating a JPA was one way for jurisdications to join together to get something done. And yes, this would have to have happened a while ago for any shot. But that might not be a part of whatever their plan is. Who knows?

Nevertheless, the fact that its an old proposal that never went anywhere, I'm not very hopeful that anything new, feasible and amazing has come up. Its going to take a team with a guaranteed commitment of money, at this late date, to have a chance to pull off a miracle. I'm disheartened that this does not sound like the miracle we need.
 
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Glenn said:
It used to be, in the ancient years of yore, that when a media type quoted an anonymous source, he/she did it as a last resort. But, the anonyous source was real. It could be proven if a gun was put to the person's head. I am absolutely digusted with what has happened to news reporting and I can point fingers and that is not acceptable on this forum. News reporters are no longer credible. The standards have been blown to hell. Everything is rumor as far as I am concerned. I chose to believe everything that indicates the Kings will stay but I know the person slinging the info is being paid and has an agenda more important to him/her than being an accurate reporter.
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I agree with this post, and Glenn I appreciate your leadership on this board during this time. I feel you are consistenly trying to take the higher road, and you are passionate, and I appreciate you.
 
I hope we get a new arena. I would be great for the Kings and Sacramento. My posts have always been premised around trying to make this a realistic debate by knocking down non-sense and keeping this to logical arguments and facts.


You and I get into it, because you don’t look at the facts objectively or make strong arguments on this issue.


Please allow me to move one sentence from a paragraph in your last post. Typical response,


JB_kings said:
I don't see the point in guessing what it is until I hear more.
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I'm not going to deal with your argument because, “We don’t know that.”

JB_kings said:
Since I don't see the point in going to them with the retrofit plan they already discussed a long time ago, I am assuming this one is different and has a better chance to fly.
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But in the meantime, I will guess and just make up new facts.




Based upon the reports, it’s either an 100 million dollar Oracle style expansion that probably unfunded, or starting over from square one with anther new arena plan that’s almost completely funded … unless these people have 300 million of spec money laying around and want to take on a lot of risk with a low rate of return. Have your pick – I don’t see how either plan works.


I’m not poisoning any water with that assessment – that if not fairly accurate, is much more realistic that what you are painting. You presume that, but for the negativity of the Bee and myself, this would be done. Right, we are also keeping the Chargers, 49ers, and A’s from getting new facilities in San Diego, San Francisco, and Oakland. There is a difference between recognizing the obvious flaws in a flawed plan, and simply being negative to be negative.

Call me negative, fine. I’m probably not even batting .250 here, but my batting average is much higher than yours. So I’ll call you wrong.
 
Larry David said:
I hope we get a new arena. I would be great for the Kings and Sacramento. My posts have always been premised around trying to make this a realistic debate by knocking down non-sense and keeping this to logical arguments and facts.


You and I get into it, because you don’t look at the facts objectively or make strong arguments on this issue.


Please allow me to move one sentence from a paragraph in your last post. Typical response,





I'm not going to deal with your argument because, “We don’t know that.”



But in the meantime, I will guess and just make up new facts.




Based upon the reports, it’s either an 100 million dollar Oracle style expansion that probably unfunded, or starting over from square one with anther new arena plan that’s almost completely funded … unless these people have 300 million of spec money laying around and want to take on a lot of risk with a low rate of return. Have your pick – I don’t see how either plan works.


I’m not poisoning any water with that assessment – that if not fairly accurate, is much more realistic that what you are painting. You presume that, but for the negativity of the Bee and myself, this would be done. Right, we are also keeping the Chargers, 49ers, and A’s from getting new facilities in San Diego, San Francisco, and Oakland. There is a difference between recognizing the obvious flaws in a flawed plan, and simply being negative to be negative.

Call me negative, fine. I’m probably not even batting .250 here, but my batting average is much higher than yours. So I’ll call you wrong.
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Who are you writing to?
 
Glenn said:
I hope the point arrives that the Maloofs are part of the planning and not simply that a bunch of work is done by a lot of powerful people and the Maloofs give thumbs up or thumbs down. My hope about this was that the Maloofs were part of the trouble shooting process and I know it was not stated. That was my hope. My hope is also based on the idea that the city is not involved.
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But according to Fox 40 News local politicans (besides several named biz leaders reported by Voisin) are involved and that would almost certainly include infamous "city hall." As far as Maloofs, they surely know what's going down at some level but because they've been down this long, frustrating, bumpy road before they want to see actual results just once - not more hot air. Makes you wonder who is more exasperated at this point, Maloof family or Kings fans - probably about equal I'd say. I don't think city council is exasperated - too busy protecting their turf and rear ends.

Now this IS "RESULTS" - Anaheim proposes to spend $75 million to lure Kings. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/03/anaheim-propose.html
 
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Larry, you do realize that you have been facting away at something that was shot down last fall, don't you? It's not like we are dense here, we have read that it was. Even Crandell has said the retrofit was rejected last fall. Do you really think that they are dumb enough to be bringing this up again? I'm waiting to hear what this latest plan is all about. I don't know what it is, and from all those swell facts you've been sharing, it seems you don't either.

You posting history speaks for itself. You claim to support a new arena, but have never once shown support for any plan or even offered one of your own. So have you actively posted to support or detract?
 
PurpleHaze said:
But according to Fox 40 News local politicans (besides several named biz leaders reported by Voisin) are involved and that would almost certainly include infamous "city hall." As far as Maloofs, they surely know what's going down at some level but because they've been down this long, frustrating, bumpy road before they want to see actual results just once - not more hot air. Makes you wonder who is more exasperated at this point, Maloof family or Kings fans - probably about equal I'd say. I don't think city council is exasperated - too busy protecting their turf and rear ends.

Now this IS "RESULTS" - Anaheim proposes to spend $75 million to lure Kings. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/03/anaheim-propose.html
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And you realize this is what the OC register and citizens is against. City funded bonds.
 
Section 101 said:
And you realize this is what the OC register and citizens is against. City funded bonds.
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I know but they (meaning their focused city council) are putting on a full court press to TRY and accomplish stated mission right now - lure Kings to Anaheim. Meanwhile, back in 'ol cow dung pasture our city council is full of endless hot air, involved in huge internal fights and turmoil over everything from a just terminated city manager, to budget crisis, to back stabbing war on each other.
 
PurpleHaze said:
I know but they (meaning their focused city council) are putting on a full court press to TRY and accomplish stated mission right now - lure Kings to Anaheim. Meanwhile, back in 'ol cow dung pasture our city council is full of endless hot air, involved in huge internal fights and turmoil over everything from a just terminated city manager, to budget crisis, to back stabbing war on each other.
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It's not the city council members. It's Samueli and the mayor making the proposal.
 
PurpleHaze said:
But according to Fox 40 News local politicans (besides several named biz leaders reported by Voisin) are involved and that would almost certainly include infamous "city hall." As far as Maloofs, they surely know what's going down at some level but because they've been down this long, frustrating, bumpy road before they want to see actual results just once - not more hot air. Makes you wonder who is more exasperated at this point, Maloof family or Kings fans - probably about equal I'd say. I don't think city council is exasperated - too busy protecting their turf and rear ends.

Now this IS "RESULTS" - Anaheim proposes to spend $75 million to lure Kings. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/03/anaheim-propose.html
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I heard "local politician" and you heard "city hall." Read your PMs.
 
kennadog said:
I didn't say the proposal would need a joint powers authority. I have no idea what the plan is or who the supposed partners would be.

I was just pointing out that creating a JPA was one way for jurisdications to join together to get something done. And yes, this would have to have happened a while ago for any shot. But that might not be a part of whatever their plan is. Who knows?

Nevertheless, the fact that its an old proposal that never went anywhere, I'm not very hopeful that anything new, feasible and amazing has come up. Its going to take a team with a guaranteed commitment of money, at this late date, to have a chance to pull off a miracle. I'm disheartened that this does not sound like the miracle we need.
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Did Tinkerbell return to life when we clapped?

I understand your note and hope I didn't say anything that indicated otherwise.
 
Glenn said:
Yah wanna go out?
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so.. yeah... um...... well..... I guess this whole thing has taken quite a toll on you. I'm ... um.... married and hetero and way too good looking for you.

I think Carmichael Dave might be more your speed... maybe you guys could have some wine coolers and watch some sweaty MMA guys grapple.
 
PurpleHaze said:
Oh please, the documents were filed with the city as a proposal to go before the Anaheim City Council. Watch how fast they vote on it - I bet long before April 18.
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It was already set to be voted on next tuesday which is why the OC register came out against it last week.
 
Larry David said:
Yup.

After all of the extended Voison is a bad jouralist over the Landry story talk and blind item ESPN bashing over the years here, the support of Crandell blind item no fact rumor... leads me to believe some people either don't understand what real news reporting is ... or the pump up or knock down news just to fit the news into their view of the team.
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I didn't doubt there was something to his story. But the "funding's in place" part certainly isn't referring to an arena.
 
So is Crandell's story just a joke? There's too many pages to read for me to find the answer. And besides, now there is a new thread that a potential Anaheim Lease for Sacto Kings release.
 
The better question is if Crandell, Voisen, and Carmichael Dave are all wrong. I notice people attacking Crandell and Voisen for their past sins against humanity but what do you do with Carmichael Dave? Is he trusted? He essentially confirmed what the other two said. I think the ease and enjoyment gained from putting people down has ignored the one source that is unarguably credible. Why? I don't know where his quote is and as he's no fun to discuss, am not going to look. I'd rather let this play itself out to whatever conclusion it arrives at.
 
Glenn said:
The better question is if Crandell, Voisen, and Carmichael Dave are all wrong. I notice people attacking Crandell and Voisen for their past sins against humanity but what do you do with Carmichael Dave? Is he trusted? He essentially confirmed what the other two said. I think the ease and enjoyment gained from putting people down has ignored the one source that is unarguably credible. Why? I don't know where his quote is and as he's no fun to discuss, am not going to look. I'd rather let this play itself out to whatever conclusion it arrives at.
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This is sort of what got me riled up today. The messenger(s) were attacked and the message was dismissed way before the details were even shared. It was jumped on so fast that the current plan was assumed to be a plan that was rejected by the Maloofs last fall. I can be as skeptical as anyone. But I want to do it based on real facts. If Crandell was guilty of rushing a story out before his sources would allow more details, then the Bee was guilty of trying to discount his story before they did their proper research. All of which should be set aside and the focus should be on finding more details on this plan. Either there should be some hope for this or it should die along with the others - period.

That said, I am officially done talking about something like the media types involved. Just not worth the energy to debate.
 
JB_kings said:
This is sort of what got me riled up today. The messenger(s) were attacked and the message was dismissed way before the details were even shared. It was jumped on so fast that the current plan was assumed to be a plan that was rejected by the Maloofs last fall. I can be as skeptical as anyone. But I want to do it based on real facts. If Crandell was guilty of rushing a story out before his sources would allow more details, then the Bee was guilty of trying to discount his story before they did their proper research. All of which should be set aside and the focus should be on finding more details on this plan. Either there should be some hope for this or it should die along with the others - period.

That said, I am officially done talking about something like the media types involved. Just not worth the energy to debate.
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JB, I agree, we should leave the messengers alone and focus on what there is of a story. In my book nothing has changed since this story broke. Will something positive come of it for the Kings staying in Sacramento? I don't know but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It is possible.
 
rainmaker said:
Interesting espn article on the Kings going to Anaheim.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6260081
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Rainmaker that is an excellent find, good job man. and is a VERY interesting article. It actually points out that the lakers and clippers are trying to reach out to other owners to stop the move. and if there is anything legit about this new deal in sac than the BOG meeting could surely be swayed to stay if the sac deal makes it financially feasable.
 
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