New Plan Could be Gamechanger for Sacramento Kings
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I hope the point arrives that the Maloofs are part of the planning and not simply that a bunch of work is done by a lot of powerful people and the Maloofs give thumbs up or thumbs down. My hope about this was that the Maloofs were part of the trouble shooting process and I know it was not stated. That was my hope. My hope is also based on the idea that the city is not involved.
It used to be, in the ancient years of yore, that when a media type quoted an anonymous source, he/she did it as a last resort. But, the anonyous source was real. It could be proven if a gun was put to the person's head. I am absolutely digusted with what has happened to news reporting and I can point fingers and that is not acceptable on this forum. News reporters are no longer credible. The standards have been blown to hell. Everything is rumor as far as I am concerned. I chose to believe everything that indicates the Kings will stay but I know the person slinging the info is being paid and has an agenda more important to him/her than being an accurate reporter. Well not all. Carmichael Dave has supported the idea that is trying to be destroyed.
Why aren't we discussing his opinions?
Why aren't we discussing his opinions?
I didn't say the proposal would need a joint powers authority. I have no idea what the plan is or who the supposed partners would be.
I was just pointing out that creating a JPA was one way for jurisdications to join together to get something done. And yes, this would have to have happened a while ago for any shot. But that might not be a part of whatever their plan is. Who knows?
Nevertheless, the fact that its an old proposal that never went anywhere, I'm not very hopeful that anything new, feasible and amazing has come up. Its going to take a team with a guaranteed commitment of money, at this late date, to have a chance to pull off a miracle. I'm disheartened that this does not sound like the miracle we need.
I was just pointing out that creating a JPA was one way for jurisdications to join together to get something done. And yes, this would have to have happened a while ago for any shot. But that might not be a part of whatever their plan is. Who knows?
Nevertheless, the fact that its an old proposal that never went anywhere, I'm not very hopeful that anything new, feasible and amazing has come up. Its going to take a team with a guaranteed commitment of money, at this late date, to have a chance to pull off a miracle. I'm disheartened that this does not sound like the miracle we need.
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I hope we get a new arena. I would be great for the Kings and Sacramento. My posts have always been premised around trying to make this a realistic debate by knocking down non-sense and keeping this to logical arguments and facts.
You and I get into it, because you don’t look at the facts objectively or make strong arguments on this issue.
Please allow me to move one sentence from a paragraph in your last post. Typical response,
I'm not going to deal with your argument because, “We don’t know that.”
But in the meantime, I will guess and just make up new facts.
Based upon the reports, it’s either an 100 million dollar Oracle style expansion that probably unfunded, or starting over from square one with anther new arena plan that’s almost completely funded … unless these people have 300 million of spec money laying around and want to take on a lot of risk with a low rate of return. Have your pick – I don’t see how either plan works.
I’m not poisoning any water with that assessment – that if not fairly accurate, is much more realistic that what you are painting. You presume that, but for the negativity of the Bee and myself, this would be done. Right, we are also keeping the Chargers, 49ers, and A’s from getting new facilities in San Diego, San Francisco, and Oakland. There is a difference between recognizing the obvious flaws in a flawed plan, and simply being negative to be negative.
Call me negative, fine. I’m probably not even batting .250 here, but my batting average is much higher than yours. So I’ll call you wrong.
You and I get into it, because you don’t look at the facts objectively or make strong arguments on this issue.
Please allow me to move one sentence from a paragraph in your last post. Typical response,
I'm not going to deal with your argument because, “We don’t know that.”
But in the meantime, I will guess and just make up new facts.
Based upon the reports, it’s either an 100 million dollar Oracle style expansion that probably unfunded, or starting over from square one with anther new arena plan that’s almost completely funded … unless these people have 300 million of spec money laying around and want to take on a lot of risk with a low rate of return. Have your pick – I don’t see how either plan works.
I’m not poisoning any water with that assessment – that if not fairly accurate, is much more realistic that what you are painting. You presume that, but for the negativity of the Bee and myself, this would be done. Right, we are also keeping the Chargers, 49ers, and A’s from getting new facilities in San Diego, San Francisco, and Oakland. There is a difference between recognizing the obvious flaws in a flawed plan, and simply being negative to be negative.
Call me negative, fine. I’m probably not even batting .250 here, but my batting average is much higher than yours. So I’ll call you wrong.
But according to Fox 40 News local politicans (besides several named biz leaders reported by Voisin) are involved and that would almost certainly include infamous "city hall." As far as Maloofs, they surely know what's going down at some level but because they've been down this long, frustrating, bumpy road before they want to see actual results just once - not more hot air. Makes you wonder who is more exasperated at this point, Maloof family or Kings fans - probably about equal I'd say. I don't think city council is exasperated - too busy protecting their turf and rear ends.
Now this IS "RESULTS" - Anaheim proposes to spend $75 million to lure Kings. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/03/anaheim-propose.html
Now this IS "RESULTS" - Anaheim proposes to spend $75 million to lure Kings. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/03/anaheim-propose.html
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Larry, you do realize that you have been facting away at something that was shot down last fall, don't you? It's not like we are dense here, we have read that it was. Even Crandell has said the retrofit was rejected last fall. Do you really think that they are dumb enough to be bringing this up again? I'm waiting to hear what this latest plan is all about. I don't know what it is, and from all those swell facts you've been sharing, it seems you don't either.
You posting history speaks for itself. You claim to support a new arena, but have never once shown support for any plan or even offered one of your own. So have you actively posted to support or detract?
You posting history speaks for itself. You claim to support a new arena, but have never once shown support for any plan or even offered one of your own. So have you actively posted to support or detract?
I know but they (meaning their focused city council) are putting on a full court press to TRY and accomplish stated mission right now - lure Kings to Anaheim. Meanwhile, back in 'ol cow dung pasture our city council is full of endless hot air, involved in huge internal fights and turmoil over everything from a just terminated city manager, to budget crisis, to back stabbing war on each other.
More on the plan from SB Nation. Will be presented to Maloofs soon.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2010/9/29/1719283/sacramento-kings-nba-cal-expo-new-stadium-relocation
Nothing new here, but still, more talk from another outlet.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2010/9/29/1719283/sacramento-kings-nba-cal-expo-new-stadium-relocation
Nothing new here, but still, more talk from another outlet.
The better question is if Crandell, Voisen, and Carmichael Dave are all wrong. I notice people attacking Crandell and Voisen for their past sins against humanity but what do you do with Carmichael Dave? Is he trusted? He essentially confirmed what the other two said. I think the ease and enjoyment gained from putting people down has ignored the one source that is unarguably credible. Why? I don't know where his quote is and as he's no fun to discuss, am not going to look. I'd rather let this play itself out to whatever conclusion it arrives at.
This is sort of what got me riled up today. The messenger(s) were attacked and the message was dismissed way before the details were even shared. It was jumped on so fast that the current plan was assumed to be a plan that was rejected by the Maloofs last fall. I can be as skeptical as anyone. But I want to do it based on real facts. If Crandell was guilty of rushing a story out before his sources would allow more details, then the Bee was guilty of trying to discount his story before they did their proper research. All of which should be set aside and the focus should be on finding more details on this plan. Either there should be some hope for this or it should die along with the others - period.
That said, I am officially done talking about something like the media types involved. Just not worth the energy to debate.
That said, I am officially done talking about something like the media types involved. Just not worth the energy to debate.
Interesting espn article on the Kings going to Anaheim.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6260081
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6260081
Rainmaker that is an excellent find, good job man. and is a VERY interesting article. It actually points out that the lakers and clippers are trying to reach out to other owners to stop the move. and if there is anything legit about this new deal in sac than the BOG meeting could surely be swayed to stay if the sac deal makes it financially feasable.