New Kings Arena Design Concepts

#31
Definitely want to know what you see tonight.
Nothing too special. What I hoped not to see was actually what happened. And that was a sales pitch to get people to commit to season tickets. I was thoroughly disappointed. Best part was the speech by Henry Turner regarding our roster, but even that I almost laughed at because I coulda probably done a better job...
 
#32
Nothing too special. What I hoped not to see was actually what happened. And that was a sales pitch to get people to commit to season tickets. I was thoroughly disappointed. Best part was the speech by Henry Turner regarding our roster, but even that I almost laughed at because I coulda probably done a better job...
Well that sucks.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#33


Marin Austin ‏@marinaustin27m
What do YOU THINK? Here's a look at the newest sketch of a possible #downtown #kings #arena! @FOX40 [photo]: pic.twitter.com/iAUCLZDdON
Marin Austin ‏@marinaustin25m
And another rendering of a possible new DT arena. I'm wondering if this has a #retractable #roof? @FOX40 [PHOTO]: pic.twitter.com/ClkESpEN0y
Marin Austin ‏@marinaustin16m
Just got confirmation from the mayor: new DT arena would be "U-shaped" w/ retractable roof @KJ_MayorJohnson pic.twitter.com/HAHLgtPrIP
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#34
Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis1m
This photo shows how an arena could fit at Downtown Plaza site, along with planned office and retail development pic.twitter.com/JdFysUiPx2
Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis1m
The next three are exterior views of an #NBAKings arena. Again, these are concepts - not actual renderings pic.twitter.com/H7kXDsssO7

Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis39s
Another #NBAKings #arena exterior concept pic.twitter.com/2XUvkNzJj4

Ryan Lillis ‏@Ryan_Lillis36s
And one more exterior #NBAKings #arena concept. pic.twitter.com/IUOj3AnhnY
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#35
Retractable roof? On an arena? I suppose that might work for concerts, but you don't generally let the elements in during basketball games. Also lets the noise out.
 
#36
Retractable roof? On an arena? I suppose that might work for concerts, but you don't generally let the elements in during basketball games. Also lets the noise out.
Yeah probably not for basketball but pretty much any other event if it's nice out. Monster Trucks etc.

Who knows maybe basketball if the weather is perfect?
 
#39
Seems like a retractable roof is a waste of money especially if it has trees and grass on top.
Well Sacramento is spending their amount and that's it. If Vivek wants to spend extra money, then who cares? It's coming out of his pocket. Right?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#40
U-shaped is also interesting. I assume they are still talking basically Barclay's Center style, but taken literally and as seen in those photos you would actually be able to see inside it. But that costs many seats of course, and it also again lets the noise out. New place is probably never going to be able to be Arco noisy at that rate. I would think they'd have to face it north too to avoid sunlight shining in and blinding people, but from my conception of where they are putting the thing it seems like facing it south would be facing downtown/integrating it.
 
#41
What exactly do they mean by u-shaped? Surely it can't mean one end without seating, or am I interpreting this completely wrong? Retractable roof is fine, but I'd hope it won't be retracted for basketball. That seems more of a gimmick, should only be used for concerts etc.. Love the ambition, but hope they don't try to do something different just for the sake of it. I'm sure they won't, they know a lot more about this stuff than me. The concepts look pretty cool, but I'm sure they could make it look even better. Exciting times all the same.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#42
What exactly do they mean by u-shaped? Surely it can't mean one end without seating, or am I interpreting this completely wrong? Retractable roof is fine, but I'd hope it won't be retracted for basketball. That seems more of a gimmick, should only be used for concerts etc.. Love the ambition, but hope they don't try to do something different just for the sake of it. I'm sure they won't, they know a lot more about this stuff than me. The concepts look pretty cool, but I'm sure they could make it look even better. Exciting times all the same.
Yeah see, this pic:



Actually makes it look like the side you enter would be glass/sans seating, unless it was just up very high, but in the pic there doesn't seem to be nearly enough structural support for that. of course its just an artist's rendering.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#43
Actually makes it look like the side you enter would be glass/sans seating, unless it was just up very high, but in the pic there doesn't seem to be nearly enough structural support for that. of course its just an artist's rendering.
I think it looks like the standard arena for fan seating and a shark like snout to feed fans into the entire building. If you look way back from the entry way I think I see fans sitting. The outer skin will be huge at least from this side of the building. Maybe the seats on this side could retract in some fashion to leave a very large floor for other events. Also this side might be a huge entrance for other events to unload their goodies.
 
#44
What exactly do they mean by u-shaped? Surely it can't mean one end without seating, or am I interpreting this completely wrong? Retractable roof is fine, but I'd hope it won't be retracted for basketball. That seems more of a gimmick, should only be used for concerts etc.. Love the ambition, but hope they don't try to do something different just for the sake of it. I'm sure they won't, they know a lot more about this stuff than me. The concepts look pretty cool, but I'm sure they could make it look even better. Exciting times all the same.
One end zone behind the basket area would not have seats. It would be standing room only. Could only be the upper level with no seats. They said the lower level would be below ground where the top was street level.
 
#45
U-shaped is also interesting. I assume they are still talking basically Barclay's Center style, but taken literally and as seen in those photos you would actually be able to see inside it. But that costs many seats of course, and it also again lets the noise out. New place is probably never going to be able to be Arco noisy at that rate. I would think they'd have to face it north too to avoid sunlight shining in and blinding people, but from my conception of where they are putting the thing it seems like facing it south would be facing downtown/integrating it.
The way it's situated has the open end facing NE. This would avoid direct sunlight and would also block the wind which usually blows west to east.
 
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Capt. Factorial

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#47
What exactly do they mean by u-shaped? Surely it can't mean one end without seating, or am I interpreting this completely wrong? Retractable roof is fine, but I'd hope it won't be retracted for basketball. That seems more of a gimmick, should only be used for concerts etc.. Love the ambition, but hope they don't try to do something different just for the sake of it. I'm sure they won't, they know a lot more about this stuff than me. The concepts look pretty cool, but I'm sure they could make it look even better. Exciting times all the same.
They do mean U-shaped - for the upper bowl. The lower bowl will be complete.

Chris Granger actually went into a bit of the rationale for it during his presentation to the City Council tonight. The basic idea is that maximum attendance for most events (concerts, basketball games) usually comes in under 17K by quite a bit, so it's overkill to put in 20K seats. They're thinking to put about 17K seats (perhaps having standard max seating come in lower than STA's 17,317) but allow for the possibility of bringing in temporary bleachers and using the walkways you can see in the pictures as standing room to bump the seating when necessary (the examples Granger gave were the Playoffs, a potential U2 concert). And obviously if you dont need to pack 20K seats in there, you can take a few liberties with the upper bowl.
 
#48
They do mean U-shaped - for the upper bowl. The lower bowl will be complete.

Chris Granger actually went into a bit of the rationale for it during his presentation to the City Council tonight. The basic idea is that maximum attendance for most events (concerts, basketball games) usually comes in under 17K by quite a bit, so it's overkill to put in 20K seats. They're thinking to put about 17K seats (perhaps having standard max seating come in lower than STA's 17,317) but allow for the possibility of bringing in temporary bleachers and using the walkways you can see in the pictures as standing room to bump the seating when necessary (the examples Granger gave were the Playoffs, a potential U2 concert). And obviously if you dont need to pack 20K seats in there, you can take a few liberties with the upper bowl.
Exactly. Actually I ended up kind of liking the one with the rectangle things. They had a picture from the top. Those rectangles actually extend up over the top and come together around a circular area of glass ceiling. And it actually looks somewhat like a crown. The audience, after the explanation or the concepts, voted pretty overwhelming as liking that one the best. You can see it from above with Ryan Lillis's first pic posted up above (post #34).

The bowl will actually sit down below ground in what is currently part of the underground garage. This means people will enter the arena from street level. You would then walk down to your seat, if you were in the lower bowl. He said their would be about 9,000 seats in that lower bowl, more than any other arena. The other 8,000 or so seats would be in the horseshoe-shaped second tier. There would be a sky bridge connecting the ends of the horseshoes. For more seating they could have about 1,000 more seats or standing room on that sky bridge.

All versions will incorporate the inside/outside feeling. They want people inside to have a feeling of the outside being connected and people on the outside could see what's happening in the arena. They could also put additional seating outside at the horse-shoe end.

By the way, those rectangles could be used as screens to project onto. They think that technology will change a lot and that having the ability to project onto the outside of the arena would be most flexible to adapt. That white building with trees and grass on the roof is designed to be able to project on the white exterior.

Also, the outdoor plaza area would be very large and would include a large shade structure, too. They really want it to be a community gathering spot. I think it would make a great area for some of our many multi-cultural festivals held every year and for things like the Jazz Festival.

I came to Sacramento in 1967 and I think this is the most exciting project to ever come to Sacramento. With ICON, Turner Construction and AECON on the development team you have people who have done similar projects around the country, even around the world. And we are bringing in investors with the kind of money this city has rarely, if ever, seen. It's just amazing.

These are all just concepts as a way for them to elicit feedback from all kinds of citizens, businesses and city council members on how well they are incorporating ideas that the city wants.

I just get really excited seeing these concepts and what it could mean for Sacramento's downtown core.
 
#50



Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?


I think that one would be pretty cool, in a gladiator kind of way.
 
#52
Exactly. Actually I ended up kind of liking the one with the rectangle things. They had a picture from the top. Those rectangles actually extend up over the top and come together around a circular area of glass ceiling. And it actually looks somewhat like a crown. The audience, after the explanation or the concepts, voted pretty overwhelming as liking that one the best. You can see it from above with Ryan Lillis's first pic posted up above (post #34).

The bowl will actually sit down below ground in what is currently part of the underground garage. This means people will enter the arena from street level. You would then walk down to your seat, if you were in the lower bowl. He said their would be about 9,000 seats in that lower bowl, more than any other arena. The other 8,000 or so seats would be in the horseshoe-shaped second tier. There would be a sky bridge connecting the ends of the horseshoes. For more seating they could have about 1,000 more seats or standing room on that sky bridge.

All versions will incorporate the inside/outside feeling. They want people inside to have a feeling of the outside being connected and people on the outside could see what's happening in the arena. They could also put additional seating outside at the horse-shoe end.

By the way, those rectangles could be used as screens to project onto. They think that technology will change a lot and that having the ability to project onto the outside of the arena would be most flexible to adapt. That white building with trees and grass on the roof is designed to be able to project on the white exterior.

Also, the outdoor plaza area would be very large and would include a large shade structure, too. They really want it to be a community gathering spot. I think it would make a great area for some of our many multi-cultural festivals held every year and for things like the Jazz Festival.

I came to Sacramento in 1967 and I think this is the most exciting project to ever come to Sacramento. With ICON, Turner Construction and AECON on the development team you have people who have done similar projects around the country, even around the world. And we are bringing in investors with the kind of money this city has rarely, if ever, seen. It's just amazing.

These are all just concepts as a way for them to elicit feedback from all kinds of citizens, businesses and city council members on how well they are incorporating ideas that the city wants.

I just get really excited seeing these concepts and what it could mean for Sacramento's downtown core.
kennadog, you just got me all giddy.

The more i see that "crown" arena concept, the more I like it
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#53
I like this one more

Fits with the Kings mold of having shields all around the arena.
I like this also. I think from a distance it is supposed to look like a huge crown. Also, the hope is that technology will improve and those side pieces will become TV screens or something similar.
 
#54


Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?


I think that one would be pretty cool, in a gladiator kind of way.
This is growing on me. The more I imagine Kings players images projected on the blocks, or in the overhead shot seeing all of the blocks in purple, the more it makes sense.

This would also be an immediately recognizable design as well. There would be no question about which arena it was.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#56
Envision the NBA Finals being shown on those squares and the noise that would come from downtown Sacramento. The more I think of it, that's a brilliant design idea but perhaps I'm getting redundant. Ranadive is anticipating the future that technology can bring. Not many people can dream on the scale he does or have the money to back it up. I envision the inside to be pre-wired for whatever the future might bring, also. Build things into the structure as the least expensive time to do it is in the construction phase of the arena and not by retro-fitting. He has the ability and means to dream. It is going to be fun being a Kings fan. We will be proud to be Kings fans.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#58
Ranadive wants an arena that will be memorable and this seems to be getting there. It is difficult to build something memorable that isn't going to be more than about three stories high and in the middle of a downtown area. This is amazing given the limitations I mention. You can't build an O2 or Sydney Opera House downtown even if you wanted to. The impact of O2 comes from the view from the river and in Sydney, it is similar.

This one sure will attract the attention of people flying over it. Wow! Light up the plates or turn them into TV screens.

Thanks for finding that as it was mentioned there was something interesting on the roof and I couldn't envision it.
 
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#59
Wow, I REALLY love how this is all coming together! I really do think it will resemble the above pic, with the panels around the arena that are LED screens...SO innovative!! Imagine taking off from SMF at night and seeing THOSE babies all lit up! Heck, you'd be able to see it if you were at 30,000 feet too!
 
#60



Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?


I think that one would be pretty cool, in a gladiator kind of way.
I definitely like this concept much better myself as well, and for some of the same reasons outlined by previous comments. I think the panels will bring a completely different element to the arena, and if Vivek plays his cards right, I can totally see them turning the panels into huge LED displays or something similar, and maybe project a pregame show (House Party Live) on them so people can hang around outside the arena before games, and then go in when it's game time...OR, if they don't want to project HPL, they can project advertisements, statistics, heck, maybe even put some of the other games up if people are interested in them. The possibilities are endless!!!