New Arena update

#61
Did something she said about the effect on EG change your answer from absolutely to maybe?
Yea, now I wish I was paying more attention and could remember all the details. Poor girl had to repeat everything like 5 times. But she called at a bad time and I was distracted. ;)

In theory, I don't think the tax increase would be a big deal. I think the major issues that have and will continue to face those involved in this issue is the autmoatic negative connotation attached to "tax increase" (and rightfully so) and a large amount of the public thinking of this as a "kings issue." You watch the news or hear a report on the radio and its presented as a "new areana for the Kings," and so people think its just for them and only them. This poll that I participated in did a good job to present it as a "downtown arena" only associated with the county of Sacramento.

I really do believe that something will get done by tomorrows deadline and at the present time, I would be in favor of it. However, upon further research on its direct affects on the city and me as a resident of the couny of Sacramento I might have think more about the issue. I want the Kings to stay, there is no doubt about that but its a matter of weighing the pros and cons and trying my best to formulate what I believe would the outcome 5-10 years from now becasue I think that is how you have look at a major issue like this. Sure, that increase in sales tax might not look good now, but maybe in 10 years when the downtown is thriving and the city is thriving it might be worth it.
 
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#62
You do know that at least half of the sales tax will go to public projects around the county, and Elk Grove could be a recipient of some of that money for their own projects? That's my understanding right now.
 
#63
You do know that at least half of the sales tax will go to public projects around the county, and Elk Grove could be a recipient of some of that money for their own projects? That's my understanding right now.
Yes. If I remember correctly, what was explained to me by the pollster was a ripple affect of this measure on the city mainly having to do with the community service distict and the city fighting over who controls what and how. This would be a issue involving only Elk Grove, obviously, but something that I would have to take into account and probably similarly for cities thoughout the county.
 

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#64
And that, in a nutshell, is one of the main problems I have with pollsters. By "explaining" things, the person conducting the poll is subtly affecting the outcome.
 
#65
And that, in a nutshell, is one of the main problems I have with pollsters. By "explaining" things, the person conducting the poll is subtly affecting the outcome.
Actually that portion of the survey was conducted differently than the rest of it. It even stood out from the rest of the survey to the point where the pollster said " changing topics a bit right now..." Its all about language and how the survey is set up, I agree.
 
#66
Actually that portion of the survey was conducted differently than the rest of it. It even stood out from the rest of the survey to the point where the pollster said " changing topics a bit right now..." Its all about language and how the survey is set up, I agree.
It's why they build in (and let the final viewer know) a margin of error (plus minus).
 

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#67
It's why they build in (and let the final viewer know) a margin of error (plus minus).
Actually they let you know a margin of error because it is only a representative sample polled and not the entire populace. There is going to be some statistical error.

The wording of the questions in surveys is a completely separate matter, and one of particular annoyance to me.
 
#68
The wording of the questions in surveys is a completely separate matter, and one of particular annoyance to me.
Well, they normally post the poll questions, so I give people the benefit of doubt as to whether they think the verbiage leads to unfair results.

Because I agree that sometimes (but not always) it does.
 

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#69
The wording of poll questions is a science unto itself. The idea that a pollster would attempt to clarify or expand on such wording is just an indication that whomever contracted for the poll might be attempting, in a very subtle way, to skew the outcome to meet their own agenda.

It's not always easy to tell if the results are truly indicative of the respondent's feelings about the initial question.

A look at a lot of the polls created around here should show that part pretty clearly.

Sample:

Question: Do you want Bonzi to remain a King?

Possible answers:
1. Yes, because he's such a key part of our success.
2. No, because he's had trouble everywhere else.
3. I don't know.

If those are the only three choices, and people choose to participate, they may pick No, but not because of his troubles. They may say No because he's asking for too much money or because they want to see Kevin Martin get a shot. The poll results, however, could report: People don't want Bonzi because of his troublesome past.

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Okay, sorry. I got carried away. That is just a REAL pet peeve with me and I suspect we're going to see a lot of it in the near future.
 
#70
I hate most polls, too. They seem to never have the option I want and there are no "buts" allowed. ;)

EDIT: Its after 11 AM. I don't think they can push it much past noon. Tuesday meeting and 72-hour notice required. (Working-days notice, I assume.)
 
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#72
Nice find Wert... What is odd is that News 10 doesn't have a noon news program. KCRA and 13 have a noon program currently tunned in and waiting for some good news.

Fingers Crossed.
 
#73
Question:

Where does the corporate sponsership fall into place? How does Arco Oil Company fit into the picture? It seems all (or most??) NBA Arenas have large corporations' name attached to them. I always assumed that they had to pay for it in one way or another. I have seen no discussion about this (if there has been, please point me in the right direction). Is the cost of having the building named after you so small that it is a non-issue? Will the new building be called "Malloof Center" because of the $$ they put into it? :confused:
 

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#76
Looks to be an official announcement of some sort today.

http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=18846
Looks like a placeholder article they posted pretty quickly, especially when you notice the mispelling of the Maloof's name...

Parties to the behind-the-scenes deal-making to bring a new arena to Sacramento are expected to make an announcement today.

The Maaloofs, owners of the Sacramento Kings and Sacramento city and county officials renewed talks last week over the controversial arena. Both sides apparently agree the project would cost in the neighborhood of $500 million but how to fund it has been a big sticking point.

Part of the discussions reportedly revolve around a quarter-cent tax increase on Sacramento County taxpayers. The proposal would have to go before voters and an August deadline to put the measure before voters in the November election is fast approaching.

Also at issue is how much the Maloofs would contribute. Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson has said the amount under consideration is more than 10 percent and less than 50 percent.
 

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#77
Note from VF21, moderator: If and/or when there is any kind of actual announcement, pro or con, it should go in a new thread. If not, I can guarantee it will be duplicated more than once...
 
#80
Channel 13 (CBS) just confirmed that something has been hammered out for sure.

No details though. Beyond 1/4 cent sales tax that is. :(
 
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#81
A new thread has been started - Accord Reached! - that contains the first real confirmation that a deal has, in fact, been reached.

Please make your comments about that deal in the new thread so we moderators won't have to try and merge duplications.

Thanks.