Ncaa investigation

Tetsujin said:
I'm willing to bet that one of the players is most likely John Wall. Considering how much hyp he got coming out of high school, I can imagine a couple of unscrupulous agents ringing his doorbell.
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Wall and Cousins both came during the late signing period after Calipari was announced so I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was both of them.
 
Even if Cousins ended up being a player of interest...I don't care. The NCAA can not effect Cousins in anyway now. Their reach stops at the boundaries at the NCAA, they are not a law agency.

Kentucky the program would be penalized, not Cousins. He's an NBA professional now.
 
DocHolliday said:
Even if Cousins ended up being a player of interest...I don't care. The NCAA can not effect Cousins in anyway now. Their reach stops at the boundaries at the NCAA, they are not a law agency.

Kentucky the program would be penalized, not Cousins. He's an NBA professional now.
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Exactly my sentiments.
 
DocHolliday said:
Even if Cousins ended up being a player of interest...I don't care.
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I can't say I wouldn't care at all, but when it comes to NCAA corruption the players are at the bottom of my list. They need to go after the boosters and enablers, then the coaches, then the schools and last the players. Of course the NCAA does it backwards.
 
These vulture agents are the ones scouring middle schools for 13 year old phenoms trying to get a foot in the door as soon as possible. The only thing I would be concerned with as far as a college player goes is if he cheats (ala Rose). IMO, talking to an agent prior to going to Kentucky isn't that big of a deal.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I can't say I wouldn't care at all, but when it comes to NCAA corruption the players are at the bottom of my list. They need to go after the boosters and enablers, then the coaches, then the schools and last the players. Of course the NCAA does it backwards.
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That's because they use the kids. They use them for their talent, then they use them as the scapegoats.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
I can't say I wouldn't care at all, but when it comes to NCAA corruption the players are at the bottom of my list. They need to go after the boosters and enablers, then the coaches, then the schools and last the players. Of course the NCAA does it backwards.
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All you have to do is mention the NCAA and I start getting hot under the collar. Someone should investigate them for Corruption. Just try convincing me that the NCAA really has the best interest of the student athletes at heart. The NCAA is all about money and power. They have stupid rules that will penalize the school or the athlete, but not the guilty coach. They suspend an athlete or put a school on suspension if an agent gives a stick of gum to an athlete.

They say they can't have a football playoff to decide the championship because of student time being taken away from accademics. But its just fine to have a playoff in divison 2 football. Once again its all about money. So what if an agent did talk to an athlete before he's eligible for the draft or even before entering college. Does that help the athlete play any better? Does it help the team get more wins? I'm going to stop now before I blow a gasket. I've watched the NCAA screw up things for too long. They make me want to throw up.
 
Showtime said:
IMO, talking to an agent prior to going to Kentucky isn't that big of a deal.
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Talking to an agent isn't even against NCAA rules - it's having an agreement (regarding representation) with an agent, or getting free stuff that are the problems. A quick read on this story suggests to me that the investigation may be a bit of a fishing expedition. We know that the agents track these kids down, and it would be nearly impossible for the kids to avoid even talking to the agents. But even then, if a kid develops a relationship with an agent, he may intend to sign with that agent when appropriate without actually having an agreement in place, and that's perfectly OK. That whole bit about the "handshake" agreement would probably be really hard to prove in the absence of gifts, money, etc., even if such an agreement did exist.
 
bajaden said:
I've watched the NCAA screw up things for too long. They make me want to throw up.
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Yes, it's very frustrating because I enjoy the competitions sometimes even more than the pro level but it is so corrupt and full of BS it makes me pull my hair out. And as you say, they are walking contradictions at every level. I do think it is the big conferences however that prevent the D1 football playoff rather than the NCAA itself. Obviously they are all cut from the same cloth, but in that case it is a cabal of rich and powerful schools doing their best to shut the other 75% of the schools out of the game.
 
bajaden said:
All you have to do is mention the NCAA and I start getting hot under the collar. Someone should investigate them for Corruption. Just try convincing me that the NCAA really has the best interest of the student athletes at heart. The NCAA is all about money and power. They have stupid rules that will penalize the school or the athlete, but not the guilty coach. They suspend an athlete or put a school on suspension if an agent gives a stick of gum to an athlete.

They say they can't have a football playoff to decide the championship because of student time being taken away from accademics. But its just fine to have a playoff in divison 2 football. Once again its all about money. So what if an agent did talk to an athlete before he's eligible for the draft or even before entering college. Does that help the athlete play any better? Does it help the team get more wins? I'm going to stop now before I blow a gasket. I've watched the NCAA screw up things for too long. They make me want to throw up.
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Yep. You need to have an NCAA; otherwise the cheating would really explode. But they seem like the typical bureaucracy that starts off with a good mission and intent, but slowly metastasizes into control freaks that wants to parent society. The movie Blind Side did a good job in highlighting that.
 
Kingster said:
Yep. You need to have an NCAA; otherwise the cheating would really explode. But they seem like the typical bureaucracy that starts off with a good mission and intent, but slowly metastasizes into control freaks that wants to parent society. The movie Blind Side did a good job in highlighting that.
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I agree. There's no doubt that you have to have some kind of governing force. Right now they remind me of the Olympic committee back in the 50's. They were so corrupt it was ridiculous. Oh well, not much you can do about it.
 
It is Cousins, my buddy is a rivals.com editor and writes for two local colleges. He told me Sunday Cousins is involved in taking money from his current agent as a high school prospect. Sucks for Kentucky.
 
Good, I hope he took money. Screw the NCAA. I hope the NBA develops a quality minor league system and steals all of college basketball's talent. They leech off these kids and then they have the audacity to whine about them leaving for the NBA after one year and call for the NBA to suspend their NBA eligibility until their junior year. They're a monopoly.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Good, I hope he took money. Screw the NCAA. I hope the NBA develops a quality minor league system and steals all of college basketball's talent. They leech off these kids and then they have the audacity to whine about them leaving for the NBA after one year and call for the NBA to suspend their NBA eligibility until their junior year. They're a monopoly.
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Well now. I started off reading being totally pissed off and ended up applauding the post.
 
IF cousins is involved in all this it's going to mean bad publicity to a level we will not be comfortable with. I don't think you all are understanding what a pain this could end up being.
 
I think the NCAA is full of hypocrisy. They act as if money is the most important factor in all of their decisions, but when the players follow their example, suddenly they are demonized by the NCAA's excuse of sportsmanship. It's the biggest joke in sports. Everybody knows programs cheat. Players take stuff under the table, and are exploited by the schools and the NCAA to make money. I applaud a guy like Jennings who went overseas for a year out of high school and didn't feed into the NCAA's money machine. I think more players should do that.
 
Sparky6string said:
IF cousins is involved in all this it's going to mean bad publicity to a level we will not be comfortable with. I don't think you all are understanding what a pain this could end up being.
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Was it really that huge of an issue with Webber? I didn't think so.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I can't say I wouldn't care at all, but when it comes to NCAA corruption the players are at the bottom of my list. They need to go after the boosters and enablers, then the coaches, then the schools and last the players. Of course the NCAA does it backwards.
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That's because that's as far as their jurisdiction extends.

And actually while I have never been 100% comfortable with it, its a fairly common approach taken under the law to lay the punishment on the last party you can reach who might be able to police things or have some control of the situation. In this case largely the schools.
 
Showtime said:
I think the NCAA is full of hypocrisy. They act as if money is the most important factor in all of their decisions, but when the players follow their example, suddenly they are demonized by the NCAA's excuse of sportsmanship. It's the biggest joke in sports. Everybody knows programs cheat. Players take stuff under the table, and are exploited by the schools and the NCAA to make money. I applaud a guy like Jennings who went overseas for a year out of high school and didn't feed into the NCAA's money machine. I think more players should do that.
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You applaud an uneducated punk kid too stupid to pass his SATs?

Feel free, but that guy is one injury away from not being qualified to pick up poop after your dog.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Good, I hope he took money. Screw the NCAA. I hope the NBA develops a quality minor league system and steals all of college basketball's talent. They leech off these kids and then they have the audacity to whine about them leaving for the NBA after one year and call for the NBA to suspend their NBA eligibility until their junior year. They're a monopoly.
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That monopoly significantly benefits not only the NBA -- it was a HUGE marketing/prominence benefit for the league to finally have its entering young players having preestablished fanbases/reps again when they put in the 1 year of college rule -- it also cuts your tuition costs and/or effectively works as a way to make an American public comprised of a high percentage of morons actually pay into our education system.

People act like getting a free ride to go hang out at college (that's about a $20,000-$50,000 value per year BTW), get to play in front of millions of people (as opposed to like 10 in D-league), have free access to training facilities and coaching, and in general getting a little respite to grow up are this immense imposition on an 18 year old kid. Because we all know that an 18 year old with a high school education has so many more attractive job opportunities out there. He can practically choose whether to scrub toilets at McDonald's or Taco Bell. Or as many of these kids are from the mean streets, I guess you could throw in bang and deal as another option.
 
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