Ncaa investigation

Bricklayer said:
That's because that's as far as their jurisdiction extends.

And actually while I have never been 100% comfortable with it, its a fairly common approach taken under the law to lay the punishment on the last party you can reach who might be able to police things or have some control of the situation. In this case largely the schools.
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I would think the NCAA would have the ability to bar boosters caught funneling funds to athletes from campus and athletic events either directly or through threat of death penalty type sanctions. They could also bar the coaches from ever coaching again in the NCAA which they don't do. So many of these coaches bolt the program right before it all goes down, take a year off, hit the pros, whatever and then they are back in a year or two with another school. I suspect both of those options would go a lot further to discourage this behavior than imposing forfeits 2-3 years down the road.
 
Sparky6string said:
IF cousins is involved in all this it's going to mean bad publicity to a level we will not be comfortable with. I don't think you all are understanding what a pain this could end up being.
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Are we forgetting that nearly the exact same controversy happened with C-Webb in his tenure here?
 
NCAA is a total joke! The Schools make MILLIONS off these kids and all the while profess to have the best interests of the scholar/athlete in mind. BS! They have the best interests of the schools in mind! The governing bodies of the NCAA are corrupt and pathetic. I dont believe anything that comes out of the NCAA. I enjoy the games but those students should get SOMETHING for making those schools millions! A Stipend or some sort of Per Diem would be a start! If they got a little of the reward, players would be less inclined to take money from agents. These kids are usually barely making ends meet and need the extra help. It is a screwed up system.
 
Bricklayer said:
That monopoly significantly benefits not only the NBA -- it was a HUGE marketing/prominence benefit for the league to finally have its entering young players having preestablished fanbases/reps again when they put in the 1 year of college rule -- it also cuts your tuition costs and/or effectively works as a way to make an American public comprised of a high percentage of morons actually pay into our education system.

People act like getting a free ride to go hang out at college (that's about a $20,000-$50,000 value per year BTW), get to play in front of millions of people (as opposed to like 10 in D-league), have free access to training facilities and coaching, and in general getting a little respite to grow up are this immense imposition on an 18 year old kid. Because we all know that an 18 year old with a high school education has so many more attractive job opportunities out there. He can practically choose whether to scrub toilets at McDonald's or Taco Bell. Or as many of these kids are from the mean streets, I guess you could throw in bang and deal as another option.
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Who is trying to sell their lives like it's an imposition? Fact is these schools make a ton off their backs and they don't compensate them in a way other than scholarships and I guess exposure for some. Are there benefits for them going to college? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's proportional to what they generate. They don't even let them pursue money through the free market, which every other student is allowed to do. They can't sell their own image or name. They won't even give them freaking stipend for crying out loud.

I understand some of the reasons why they have the rules they do, but what really pisses me off is the attitude of the college sports people. They have this whiny sense of entitlement over these players. They complain about how hard it is for their programs that these players leave early for the NBA, as if others had a responsibility to solve their problems.

I really don't think these programs have their players best interest at heart at all, I think they'll always do what benefits them. That includes forcing players to transfer when they get a recruit to take their place.

I'm not saying we should feel sorry for their position in life, it's definitely not a bad position to be in. That doesn't make it fair though, and none of it justifies these colleges' indignation over players leaving for the pros.
 
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Sparky6string said:
IF cousins is involved in all this it's going to mean bad publicity to a level we will not be comfortable with. I don't think you all are understanding what a pain this could end up being.
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Actually, long time Kings fans are well aware of what a pain this kind of bad publicity can be. Remember Chris Webber?

EDIT: Oops, sorry. Didn't realize this was mentioned subsequently to the post I was responding to...

EDIT SECOND: As far as whether or not it will bother me if Cousins is involved, my only concern will be if it takes time away from him becoming the best he can be in the NBA. To single out a player here and there is ludicrous when it's pretty obvious it happens to some extent almost every day. Until the NCAA cleans up its act - which should be right about the time the second herd of pigs circles ARCO - I'm not going to lose any sleep over something like this. The fact they bring it up years later and then punish teams retroactively is ridiculous.
 
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FaStRmAn said:
NCAA is a total joke! The Schools make MILLIONS off these kids and all the while profess to have the best interests of the scholar/athlete in mind. BS! They have the best interests of the schools in mind! The governing bodies of the NCAA are corrupt and pathetic. I dont believe anything that comes out of the NCAA. I enjoy the games but those students should get SOMETHING for making those schools millions! A Stipend or some sort of Per Diem would be a start! If they got a little of the reward, players would be less inclined to take money from agents. These kids are usually barely making ends meet and need the extra help. It is a screwed up system.
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Again I would like to point you to the $20,000-$50,000 value a year they recieve in the form of a free ride though colleges that drive even well off families to the brink of bankruptcy, and that in many/most cases they would never be able to afford otherwise. I do agree with a stipend of some sort, but these routinely ignored free ride scholarships are worth more than 99% of these kids could earn doing anything else with nothing more than a high school diploma (and an often shaky one at that) and would absolutely be KILLED for by the families of 99% of college students. Saying that a guy who stays 4 years and doesn't have to pay a dime of maybe $150,000 in tuition that every other kid has to pay is somehow not receiving anything is ridiculous. There's a very small elite crew who have a shot at the NBA, for all the rest of them that's a pretty increidble gift. They graduate froma school they never get into otherwise, and they do it without a penny of loans hanging over their head. Meanwhile down the hall the brilliant biochemist who may one day cure cancer leaves school in debt up to her eyeballs and has to go live at home wiht mom until she's 30.
 
VF21 said:
EDIT SECOND: As far as whether or not it will bother me if Cousins is involved, my only concern will be if it takes time away from him becoming the best he can be in the NBA. To single out a player here and there is ludicrous when it's pretty obvious it happens to some extent almost every day. Until the NCAA cleans up its act - which should be right about the time the second herd of pigs circles ARCO - I'm not going to lose any sleep over something like this. The fact they bring it up years later and then punish teams retroactively is ridiculous.
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This is precisely my sentiment. If he misses game time, then I'll be angry
 
The Webber thing was so long ago, but didn't Webber perjure himself, or at least aid in the cover up of criminal activities and that is why it became such a hassle? Seems like the more recent guys pretty much just admit it and move on and leave the school to deal with the repercussions which mostly do little more than harm current students and athletes with no connection to the misdeeds.
 
You mean it would be just like the immense pain and misery that the chicago bulls organization and their fans went through after the world learned about the derrick rose situation? Wait a minute, either everyone already forgot about it nobody really cares.
 
Chupacabra said:
You mean it would be just like the immense pain and misery that the chicago bulls organization and their fans went through after the world learned about the derrick rose situation? Wait a minute, either everyone already forgot about it nobody really cares.
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Yeah, I was going to ask if the O.J. Mayo situation had the Grizzlies curled up in a fetal position in a corner or something. Now you remind me that I actually had already forgotten about Rose.
 
Bricklayer said:
People act like getting a free ride to go hang out at college (that's about a $20,000-$50,000 value per year BTW), get to play in front of millions of people (as opposed to like 10 in D-league), have free access to training facilities and coaching, and in general getting a little respite to grow up are this immense imposition on an 18 year old kid. Because we all know that an 18 year old with a high school education has so many more attractive job opportunities out there. He can practically choose whether to scrub toilets at McDonald's or Taco Bell. Or as many of these kids are from the mean streets, I guess you could throw in bang and deal as another option.
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It has nothing to do with that. You are missing the point. A college education has a high value, but if the legal ADULT has absolutely no interest in obtaining a college degree, but goes to college anyway for one year because it's in the best interest of their primary goal of becoming a professional NBA player, then the value of said education is moot. Because of the NBA's rules, a legal adult cannot choose to enter their chosen profession. Think about that.

A player has options, like doing nothing for a year, or playing overseas, or going to a top program and getting a ton of exposure which helps their draft position and thus means more money. What do you think they are going to do? Of course they will go to college for a year, because they are forced into that stepping stone to make money. The NCAA and NBA have created this funnel so that even players who would otherwise NEVER step foot on a college campus are forced to because they aren't allowed to work where they want, even if they are adults. The people who benefit the most are the NBA and NCAA, not the players.
 
Showtime said:
It has nothing to do with that. You are missing the point. A college education has a high value, but if the legal ADULT has absolutely no interest in obtaining a college degree, but goes to college anyway for one year because it's in the best interest of their primary goal of becoming a professional NBA player, then the value of said education is moot. Because of the NBA's rules, a legal adult cannot choose to enter their chosen profession. Think about that.

A player has options, like doing nothing for a year, or playing overseas, or going to a top program and getting a ton of exposure which helps their draft position and thus means more money. What do you think they are going to do? Of course they will go to college for a year, because they are forced into that stepping stone to make money. The NCAA and NBA have created this funnel so that even players who would otherwise NEVER step foot on a college campus are forced to because they aren't allowed to work where they want, even if they are adults. The people who benefit the most are the NBA and NCAA, not the players.
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Yes, truly shocking. Makes me cry a river for these dumb****s looking to be given millions of dollars before they can even drink for having developed the ability to bounce a ball rather than do something useful for society. To be forced to come to the conclusion that accepting a $30,000 a year gift, fame, accolades, free coaching, and a different college girl every night, not to mention maybe accidentally learning something at an institution that otherwise would employ them as a janitor, is the best choice ouot of high school is just so unfair.

As an aside, the NBA is a private entity. You would be rather shocked at how many private entities would flat out refuse to hire an 18 year old with a high school diploma built on the back of basket weaving classes. I was outraged to find out that there was not a law firm in the country that would hire me as a six figure a year attorney straight out of high school. The bastards! It was my chosen professions and everything!
 
While I don't disagree with you I think it is worth mentioning that the Schools make a lot of money from these young mens ability to play ball.

Its not like the scholarships and perks are handed out from the goodness of the schools athletic directors heart.

The NCAA should provide a stipend structure in addition to the scholarships.

KB
 
I think that this great benefit of a full ride that might cost more than a typical mortgage is more of an indication of how much our higher education system has broken down over the last 20 years than how great the athletes have it, but that's a different topic for another forum.
 
Bricklayer said:
Yes, truly shocking. Makes me cry a river for these dumb****s looking to be given millions of dollars before they can even drink for having developed the ability to bounce a ball rather than do something useful for society.
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Well, if you have a problem with overpaid prima donnas, then you are a fan of the wrong sport. I suggest you stop watching NBA basketball.

To be forced to come to the conclusion that accepting a $30,000 a year gift, fame, accolades, free coaching, and a different college girl every night, not to mention maybe accidentally learning something at an institution that otherwise would employ them as a janitor, is the best choice ouot of high school is just so unfair.
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It is unfair when they would otherwise have absolutely NO interest in the educational institution (thus making the value of tuition moot and worthless, since they aren't seeking a degree), and they are making these programs tons of money while not being allowed to take their share of these profits. Otherwise, they could get the money, and the facilities, and the coaching, and the women by being in the NBA if not for the stupid 1 year rule.

As an aside, the NBA is a private entity. You would be rather shocked at how many private entities would flat out refuse to hire an 18 year old with a high school diploma built on the back of basket weaving classes. I was outraged to find out that there was not a law firm in the country that would hire me as a six figure a year attorney straight out of high school. The bastards! It was my chosen professions and everything!
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There's a difference between being a qualified employee and this. For example, right out of high school, do you have a degree and passed the bar? No. Therefore, no law firms are interested. However with the NBA, teams ARE interested and willing to accept these athletes, and the athletes desire to work for the league. Your point is wrong, because teams were interested in KG, Kobe, Bynum, etc right out of school. Players like OJ Mayo, and Jennings, etc would have been drafted out of high school by NBA teams if they were allowed to do so. No NBA team would say "You aren't qualified so we aren't picking you." People who think the NCAA is some sort of qualification for the NBA, and therefore the players should be grateful are just plain igorant.

The NBA can put whatever restrictions they want. But stop acting as if said rules are fair for all parties. They have rules DESIGNED to benefit the league, and the NCAA, but are not in the best interest of the players. So while I acknowledge they have the right to implement these rules, I can still at the same time disagree with the rules themselves.
 
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