The shot clock is too long. The ball comes down, gets passed around the perimeter, if it goes into the post, it comes right back out, there's little penetration. It slows the game down severely.
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Yet if you knock the shot clock down too much, offenses might get really rushed. Ugly shots might be the rule.
For a radical middle ground, how about this: 24-second shot clock, but if the shot is taken in the first 14 seconds of the clock, one extra point. Twos are threes and threes are fours. In the last 10 seconds of the shot clock, back to normal values.
Wow, that would make things really different. Teams would work hard to get a solid shot early in the shot clock, but if they couldn't, they'd still have a chance to do something before losing possession. It would make bringing up the ball completely different as well. Offenses would want to get the ball up as fast as possible - none of this walking it up the court stuff, because that could cost you a point each possession. On the other hand, the full-court press would become really valuable. Slow a team down coming up court and you save a point right off the bat.
That could make for a really exciting game!
It would fundamentally change the game. That's pretty radical; more of a Rock n Jock type of thing.
I don't think that changing the shot clock would negatively affect the offenses. Maybe at first, but not overall. Most of the coaches instruct their players to be selective and patient, knowing that they have 35 seconds to take a shot (heaven forbid there's an offensive rebound; one possession could take longer than a minute). Reducing the shot clock might drop percentages at first, but scoring would go up immediately, and eventually the shot percentages would go back up as teams made adjustments to get better shots more quickly. It's really unbearable sometimes, watching some of those possessions, when players are passing up wide open jumpers because there's still 20 seconds left on the clock. I think if they were more pressed to take those shots, they would practice them more and be better shooters when they come into the NBA.
I know I compare basketball to football a lot, but in this case, I think it's a pretty direct comparison. The play clock in college football is the same as it is in the NFL. I don't see why the shot clock in college basketball should be so much longer than it is in the NBA. It's the same game.
A reason might be the way the ball is distributed. Even though there are clear PG in college, the line is sort of muddled as to who the distributor is. You will see the "C" or "PF as much in the post as you will at the top of the key holding the ball while the rest of the players run sets. I don't know... players are not as fundamentaly sound at college as they are in the NBA. Reducing the shot clock would lead to many franctic possesions. Scoring would go up just based on more possesions, but man I think they'd be Fugly at least in the beginning.
Somehow I missed that this was about the COLLEGE shot clock and not the NBA shot clock! I thought you wanted to shorten the 24 second clock! So consider my radical middle ground a really, really radical middle ground now...
I don't think the problem is that they can't learn the fundamentals (we're talking about dribbling, passing and shooting, basic basketball skills). I think it's that most of them play in a system in college that doesn't emphasize the use of those fundamental skills. They can get by without developing a midrange jumper because they don't have to shoot them. The ball gets passed around the perimeter a lot more in college than it does in the NBA, so crisp passing and dribbling isn't as essential.
I'm not trying to dog college basketball. A lot of those guys are really good, and even though I'm generalizing, the really good teams can dribble, shoot, and pass very effectively. My comment about the shot clock is strictly regarding my own enjoyment of the game. Some people like that brand of basketball, more methodical and deliberate, waiting for high percentage shots, etc. I don't have to watch the 7 seconds or less Phoenix Suns in order to enjoy a game; I find the Spurs entertaining, while a lot of fans find them boring. But college basketball is so repetitive and no-frills that it's hard for me to really get into it. And I think the primary reason is the longer shot clock.
I'm with ya supes, although I never figured to blame the shot clock for it. The players just don't have solid fundamentals, altough I love the hustle and emotion some players show. I just hate the deliberate passing along the perimiter, the jacked up shots after simply passing the ball around for 30 seconds, the running aimlessly and so on.
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Rondo to Paul: "I got a ring, and your never gonna get one"
Classless...Rondo wishes he was in the same league as Chris Paul (both in talent and personality).
I am widely known as the biggest Gerald Wallace mark on this board, but I have to believe that he's an early dark horse for his first All-Star appearance. If the Bobcats can stay at or around .500, he's practically a lock.
That said, his shooting percentage is horrible this year! Career-low by a country mile...
That said, his shooting percentage is horrible this year! Career-low by a country mile...
I am widely known as the biggest Gerald Wallace mark on this board, but I have to believe that he's an early dark horse for his first All-Star appearance. If the Bobcats can stay at or around .500, he's practically a lock.
That said, his shooting percentage is horrible this year! Career-low by a country mile...
I don't know about biggest. Do you have a Gerald Wallace Bobcats (and Kings) jersey?
As a matter of fact, I do; I can't be seen wearing them, though.
I own exactly two player jerseys, and they both have Wallace's name on them.
Stats notwithstanding, I think this might be a breakthrough game for the All-Father: he's gone eye-to-eye with Duncan and, basically, gotten the better of him down the stretch.
What a great nickname! And yeah, he played a great game.
Also related to that game: I think Brandon Roy is my favorite player to watch.
nickmcclure
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If you're referring to the Olympics, the U.S. was sending college players to compete because the IOC denied NBA players until 1992.
The IOC denying NBA players until 1992 explains why the US didn't send NBA players until 1992. It does not explain why we stopped sending amateurs after 1992. We stopped sending amateurs because our amateurs were getting killed by other countries' professionals. If the US collegians hadn't finished with the bronze in Seoul, there wouldn't have been a Dream Team in Barcelona.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4631552
"I'm not trying to figure out how to contribute to no team," Iverson said. "I contribute to a team by just playing. That's it. I don't have to figure it out. Obviously, they signed me for a reason. They've been watching me play this game for 13 years, and they know what I do on the basketball court, so I don't have to figure out how I'm going to play or anything like that. I just go out and play basketball."
Hahaha... man. I don't get it. Blessed with such magical ability to play basketball yet the mind of a 2 year old. Was this guy expecting to average 30+ ppg well into his thirties? I used to love him as a player, but this guy has reached epic status as a joke.
"I'm not trying to figure out how to contribute to no team," Iverson said. "I contribute to a team by just playing. That's it. I don't have to figure it out. Obviously, they signed me for a reason. They've been watching me play this game for 13 years, and they know what I do on the basketball court, so I don't have to figure out how I'm going to play or anything like that. I just go out and play basketball."
Hahaha... man. I don't get it. Blessed with such magical ability to play basketball yet the mind of a 2 year old. Was this guy expecting to average 30+ ppg well into his thirties? I used to love him as a player, but this guy has reached epic status as a joke.
LoungeLizard
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The Warriors have 111 pts.......after 3 Qtrs.
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why is minnesota still so bad? I thought they would be much better this year.
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Al Jefferson is off to a very slow start. He needs to play much better for them to have any chance at winning. Also, Kevin Love is out. But personally, I didn't think they'd be much better than they were last year
After watching last night's Hornets - Suns game:
What will happen first? Chris Paul flips the **** out and demands a trade or Scott gets fired? Winner gets a sleepover at Brick's house and he makes pancakes.
I am convinced, and will somehow get video proof, that Suns practices entail shooting (just shooting) for 5 hours. Then they are forced to run home for conditioning. Channing Frye looks like Ray Allen and Jared Dudley like Pedja Stojakovic. It is mind boggling
The Hornets are just plain terrible. I would totally not be surprised if they finish with a worse record than us, and I'm not just saying that. I know they were playing the Suns, but they are uncoordinated, have only one good player, and are an injury to him away from quite possibly losing every game. There is not one player on that team (besides maybe Okafor, but even he has looked lost) that is worth mentioning. Posey is averaging 4 points per game... Devin Brown is their off guard, and he handles the rock when Paul is out. That game was painful to watch
I hate Mark Jackson.
Hubie and Ron Jeremy's brother were discussing this... what about if we institute a "no foul out" rule like the ABA had? Star players would be in at end of games... refs would be more relaxed and not have to worry about players fouling out and would be more loose... so on and so on. THere are numerous pros and cons to this... but it's just damn interesting. Whatever.
What will happen first? Chris Paul flips the **** out and demands a trade or Scott gets fired? Winner gets a sleepover at Brick's house and he makes pancakes.
I am convinced, and will somehow get video proof, that Suns practices entail shooting (just shooting) for 5 hours. Then they are forced to run home for conditioning. Channing Frye looks like Ray Allen and Jared Dudley like Pedja Stojakovic. It is mind boggling
The Hornets are just plain terrible. I would totally not be surprised if they finish with a worse record than us, and I'm not just saying that. I know they were playing the Suns, but they are uncoordinated, have only one good player, and are an injury to him away from quite possibly losing every game. There is not one player on that team (besides maybe Okafor, but even he has looked lost) that is worth mentioning. Posey is averaging 4 points per game... Devin Brown is their off guard, and he handles the rock when Paul is out. That game was painful to watch
I hate Mark Jackson.
Hubie and Ron Jeremy's brother were discussing this... what about if we institute a "no foul out" rule like the ABA had? Star players would be in at end of games... refs would be more relaxed and not have to worry about players fouling out and would be more loose... so on and so on. THere are numerous pros and cons to this... but it's just damn interesting. Whatever.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Oh, I want in on this if it includes airfare and taxi to Brick's house.
Scott will be fired and then Chris Paul will flip the **** out.
6th
Homer Fan Since 1985
Oh, I want in on this if it includes airfare and taxi to Brick's house.
Scott will be fired and then Chris Paul will flip the **** out.
Since I am the only person to cast a prediction.....I WIN. Scott was fired today according to ESPN. Gotta wait for a link.
Anyway, where are my plane tickets? Lookout, Brickie, here I come.
TheFifthMookie
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Agreed on the nickname! and I'm a closet Joel Przybilla fan, I have his jersey.
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